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Hey guys lets all read the Wikipedia page for ethnocentrism for a moment before we get back to talking about the Trojan War I think it'll maybe clear a few things up

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it is like. i am deliberately not posting that much about the nolan odyssey because i don't have much genuine interest and i find the whole like outrage theater people do at adaptations to be exhausting and unproductive and often misguided + i don't really care what celebrities are doing. but zendaya's 3000-year-old iranian earrings are like. such an on-the-nose fuck you. like 1. you can practically feel the stylist going "oh, it's old, it must be on-theme!" without really considering that ancient cultures are not interchangeable. but also 2. there's a very clear and important difference between ancient greece and ancient iran, in that there's a reason zendaya isn't wearing ancient greek artifacts on her ears--ancient greece has a cultural cachet that ancient iran does not, by virtue of its position as the perceived origin point of "western" (white) civilization. they are just interchangeable enough that zendaya can wear the artifacts of one civilization to a premiere of a work based on the mythos of another, but just different enough that she can get away with one but not the other.
and of course there's 3. which is that modifying and wearing a cultural artifact of dubious provenance taken from a country the us is actively bombing (and in doing so presumably destroying plenty of historic buildings/artifacts) asserts a certain lack of respect for and/or sense of ownership over that country's people and culture. and obviously this is what makes it seem like such a specifically heinous move.
(the Odyssey isn't necessarily my wheelhouse but something i try to look at a lot is orientalism in reception of the Trojan War so bear with me)
I think something that's also relevant is the way that as time progressed within Ancient Greece, while the Trojan War was originally seen as happening within the time period where everyone still shared the same culture and such, there started to be application of "eastern" (relation to Greek region) culture to the Trojans (eg Sappho 16 & 44 using specifically "eastern" loanwords).
(the above is brought to you by edith hall's 'inventing the barbarian')
Now, Zendaya is playing an Athena apparently taking the form of a Trojan priestess. Which for so many reasons is very strange to me, but also I have not seen Nolan's Odyssey myself yet so I don't know the justification.
I also can't help but think about how the Trojan War was used as a setting to make political commentaries surrounding contemporary wars by playwrights. Like, the suffering of Trojans was used to condemn acts of war (such as pillaging!)
(the above is admittedly brought to you by information i was told by various tecahers and professors and i don't have a specific source for this)
So. Ignoring the whole Turkey =/= Iran and Hittites =/= Persians thing, which is its own form of Orientalism but I won't get to that right now, you have this actress playing a goddess who actively fought against Troy and (in Nolan's Odyssey) primarily took the form Of A Trojan.
Which to me, all of this makes the earrings a uniquely ignorant form of cultural appropriation. It's disrespectful in so many ways that it's almost impressive. You're disrespectful to Ancient Greece by ignoring the lessons they tried to learn from their own stories, disrespectful the idea of Troy by ignoring its memory for an aesthetic you don't even understand, and disrespecting Iran for wearing and modifying stolen cultural artifacts to represent a culture that isn't even theirs.
(I do also find it funny to think about the whole "the Achaeans attacked Mysia because they didn't know the difference between it and Troy" thing like wow that really happened again huh)
im so glad the trojan war fandom understands there's more to the myths surrounding Paris than the ""immutable"" iliad and odyssey read only with a modern lens.
im so glad that the trojan war fandom likes paris as a character who was stuck between a three-fold rock and a hard place with the Judgement of Paris and who didn't make a good decision because he wasn't aware of any better option than to avoid war and maybe seek love. im so glad the trojan war fandom understands the ambiguity of the so-called "Abduction" of Helen, where Helen in some myths came willingly with Paris even if she may have come to regret her decision later. im so glad that the trojan war fandom knows that Paris in the Iliad is heavily based upon the fact that Paris to a decent extent represents the Eastern/ """oriental""" nation of Troy and that his effeminacy is largely based on orientalist stereotypes. I'm so glad that the trojan war fandom is aware of the idea that in antiquity, even consenual adultery of a woman was considered assault because it "damaged" the "property" of the husband, and that this idea was likely linked to the myth of the ""Abduction"" of Helen.
I'm also so glad that to the trojan war fandom none of this is controversial at all
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It's always so interesting how a couple sources insist on phrasing the way Paris leaves with the wealth from the palace at Sparta as that he and Helen took it - or, even more starkly, make Helen into the main actor. She took that wealth with her.

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are we joking. i just heard about the zendaya earrings thing. besides the whole thing where like, troy was in modern turkey and not IRAN thing, wasn't the whole lesson of the trojan war in classical reception (at least in terms of the political reasons many trojan war plays were written) that like, it was kind of fucked what happened to troy and it shouldn't be repeated? and zendaya wore earrings of dubious sourcing (aka i will bet real money they were Looted) to. the london premiere.
Its not As bad but also apparently anne hathaway wore a watch with a roman coin embedded in it with emperor caracalla's face on it. Who fucking allowed this
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someone should study the phenomenon of homer fandom enthusiasts treating every non-homeric mythological source or tradition not only as "non-canonical," but as an actual affront to the story they know, regardless of whether the narratives are in competition. but not me because i'm too easy to ragebait.

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Priam and Hecuba saw Helene with Paris and marveled that she had such beauty. They inquired of her who she was, of what parentage. [...] So Hecuba embraced her, kissed her, and held her in high esteem.
Malalas, Chronographia 5.96 - 97
I saw a post like this recently so I'm making a classics version
Spin the wheel. This Greek mythological figure is trying to kill you
Spin the wheel again. This Greek mythological figure is trying to protect you
Are you surviving?
100% no, my corpse is desecrated
100% no, but I am given a proper burial
Yes, but with major injuries
Yes, but with minor injuries
100% yes, not a scratch on me
Other (explain in tags)
Epic of gilgamesh fanart in big 2026?!
(guy who doesn't like the Odyssey for admittedly personal and petty reasons voice) Maybe we should all forget about the Odyssey and go read the Epic of Gilgamesh instead
Epic of gilgamesh fanart in big 2026?!

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i’m going to be so real if you can’t handle women expressing mild criticism of misogyny in the iliad and the odyssey you may need to grow up
you all hear it too, right. the underlying attitude that women should just be grateful (as if equality or anything even approaching that is a form of charity and not justice). the suggestion that anyone who criticizes homer in any simply doesn’t understand him. the wild overreaction to this comment in particular making it really obvious that their actual issue is the fact that nyong’o is a black woman.
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