just read a post with “12,500 years” of palestinian history mentioned and boy fucking howdy now they’re claiming palestinian history goes back before the entire history of civilization, before the entire holocene.
my god, you don’t need to lie about palestinian history. palestinians won’t magically lose their right to self determination if their history in the region is only a few hundred years old.
I think some of this is so revealing, really - because it shows how conditional respect for human welfare is for some of these "activists".
All it takes to respect and want the best for Palestinian people, including an end to the violence they're subjected to, and support for their self determination, is a recognition of their humanity and inherent equality, but in the ideological framework of some of these people, being human isn't enough - you must also be pure and free of any kind of possible wrongdoing.
In some people's minds, it's ok to hurt the bad guys, good even. And the thing that makes the bad guys bad can be inherited from ancestry. So they need to prove that the side they support is inherently good, and the side they don't is inherently bad. They need to trace this goodness or badness throughout all of history to demonstrate this.
It's a fundamentally racist way of thinking. It's inherently violent.
It hasn't occurred to some that neither of these groups is inherently bad or good. That neither possess any kind of intrinsic quality of purity or sin. They don't consider that they should be evaluating people's actions as individuals over their membership in either group.
We don't need either group to be free of historical wrongdoing, we just need them to be equal, free, and human, to want to solve the problem.
it’s like we’re watching all the things we said was wrong about western leftist movements rearing their ugly heads all at once
i do have more to say on this if i can get my brain to create more words
we’ve been telling leftists for years that they’ve recycled the right wing evangelism and authoritarian politics of their parents into a “leftist” version that informs on why so many leftists will so easily swallow authoritarian ideas and actions and lies and i for one am getting sick of being gentle with them about this bs
like we’re literally at the point where leftists will swallow ahistorical shit and conspiracy theories with the same ease their parents will swallow bs from fox news or qanon
i’m seeing propaganda and outright lies about jews and palestinians every single day and it’s not trumpers parroting this nonsense but 20-something leftists, and these 20-somethings are using these lies to dehumanize jews and palestinians alike — because why would only being in the region for a few hundred years make it suddenly ok that palestinians are experiencing a humanitarian crisis of horrific proportions, and why would you lie about jewish indigeneity to the land of israel if you weren’t convinced that indigenous = good and righteous while not indigenous = bad and evil
and don’t even get me started on how this is all coming through the lens of western political theory and western definitions of race/racism
we’ve been telling leftists for years that y’all are disturbingly susceptible to propaganda, to authoritarianism, etc, and you people just keep on leaning into it
idk this was a very disjointed addition but basically what i’m saying boils down to this: why can’t y’all be normal and just care about this humanitarian crisis without doing everything you can to prove horseshoe theory right
I totally agree with what you're saying here.
I think a bit part of why this is happening is because some of these ideologies are thought of as "cool" and so people jump on board without any understanding of these ideologies or their histories.
To be frank, the amount of genocide denial from leftists I notice, as a Buddhist, is insane. Especially from people citing Noam Chomsky. I'm tired of telling people that the Cambodian genocide happened, for example. But there are even more cases.
What especially bothers me is the accusations towards other ideologies of imperialism because Marxist ideology is notable for its imposition as a Western ideology onto non-Western cultures.
It makes it so clear that many of these people don't have a problem with atrocities, they only do if they disagree with the person committing it. But we can and should disagree with violence and destruction on the grounds that, no matter who the perpetrator is, all people have universal value as people.
























