So I was recently reminded of Alastor being like "Oh Vox! You had to have Carmilla build your weapon for you!"
Yes... She's the weapon expert.
And?
That's like being mad at Jeff Bezos for not building the Amazon website and handing it off to Alex Edelman and Shel Kaphan. Never mind the fact that Bezos commissioned them, was the visionary behind the project, and had the idea for it himself! (Not trying to glaze him, just trying to prove a point)
Because he didn't personally code the website himself how dare he say that he did this.
Like... Vox commissioned the weapon, convinced Carmilla ON HIS OWN (Velvette was not helpful in the slightest), funded the whole thing, got them the battery source himself, probably drew up the plains for the weapon, AND was the one actually firing the dang thing while Carmilla sat with her thumb up her butt not having an off switch on what was essentially a nuke...
Because he didn't Personally build the weapon himself how DARE he say that it's his.
Need I remind everyone that Carmilla has a whole FACTORY of workers... even her own DAUGHTERS!! Hm, okay... so It's okay for CARMILLA as THEIR boss to take the credit but not for VOX as her CLIENT who COMMISSIONED HER WITH THE IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE to give himself credit?
Hm... okay, okay...
I just like to imagine that the working conditions in her factory are as bad or worse than the ones in modern America. Like people have died a lot in food production facilities, imagine the casualties in a weapons manufacturing facility that produces angelic arms.
YES LITERALLY ALL OF THIS
Let me make this clear. I also have no respect for Bezos. I was just using him as an example to say โHey, asking for help is actually a really normal thing, especially in business. ESPECIALLY for a CEO!โ I do not like that man. I do not know him personally. I actually have such a beef with Amazon for ruining a lot of the series that I love.
(I was actually going to use the CEO of Microsoft but I donโt know his name and I thought it was Bezosโฆ then I corrected myself right like โNo! Heโs Amazon, right?โ so when I went to check I figured fuck it letโs just use him.)
I find it so weird how literally everyone in the show and in the fandom seems to love Carmillaโs so much but theyโre all like โVox, get out of here!โ Yeah, working for the Vees probably isnโt great, especially with either being fed to shockwave and shat out in his tank or shot by one of Valโs gunsโฆ and possibly being experimented on with Velโs potionsโฆ but at LEAST youโd walk out of all of those alive! Iโve never thought about it before but youโre right! Carmilla is probably the most dangerous overlord to work with on the simple fact that you could actually permanently die working under her!
ALSO ME!! I HATE CARMILLA!!
I have been a day one Carmilla hater! I despise the fact that both her and Zestial basically tell Velvette โwe canโt go to war, you stupid child! we need to find more evidence!โ Well, first of all, all of you are overlords, who donโt do anything all day. The Vees are the only ones that actually do stuff all day! Zestial you ESPECIALLY do not do anything all day! You just let your sugar mommy do everything for you as you wait around in her bed!
Yeah, Vox is still a sleazy CEO. He might touch your shoulder once in a while, but thatโs a power-play! I firmly do not believe that man is a creep, I think heโs actually kind of intelligent for that! Theyโre not gonna have time to react to what youโre saying because there are two steps back, trying to process the hands on the shoulder! It puts a clear power dynamic in place!
speaking about โfighting for loveโ, Zestial literally tells Carmilla โVox is only in it for himself!โ SO IS CARMILLA. Sheโs literally doing all of this to โprotect her daughtersโ and she doesnโt care about who gets hurt in the process! That is still in a form being in it for herself!
I canโt member where Iโve said this before, but one of my favorite quotes that Iโve ever said was โthe devil works hard, but not as hard as Vox when it comes to slandering that fucking hotelโ genuinely the man got pretty much all of their clientele out of the place in less than a week! Episodes 1 to 4 take place over the span of about four days basically!
and Alastor wasnโt even DOING anything to try to get his soul back! Rosie sent him to the hotel for something and he doesnโt even think to try to do different things to see what she wants out of it! He sits around for six months instead of bringing Charlie to Rosie! What if she wanted to make a deal?! Alastor do you think Rosie was just trying to make you make friends?!
THESE NEXT FEW PARTS ARE WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING FOR MONTHS, VRO!! Alastor is out here playing a pay to win while everyone else has to work hard for their powers! He also hast to use Charlie! Everyone is out here being like โoh Alastor only lost because it was a three to one fight.โ I donโt think so! I think Alastor genuinely sucks! and is week! And is bad at manipulation!
genuinely Vox gave him an out before the Vees showed up to offer himself up!
Vox: โCome to plead with me to stop shitting on your precious hotel?โ
and instead of Alastor going โnah, letโs fightโ why didnโt he just say โyeah letโs negotiate, Bitch!โ
Vox may be a loser, but heโs my loser and I love him! I am on the Vox train for life, choo-choo motherfucker! pulling out of the station!
People actually seem to agree with Alastor that Vox is a loser who canโt do anything, and he steals all his ideas! At MOST he steals peoples drip.
also, Alastor wasnโt even good at manipulating Vox or the Vees considering the fact that Vox had to do half of the work of Alastor himself! Vox literally carried this season! He had to do pretty much everyoneโs job, and considering the fact that the Vees are still together Alastor lost!
he is still at the hotel, he was still reliant on Rosie at the end of the season for his powers, and the Vees are still together! Genuinely, I think the season wouldโve played out the same regardless of Alastorโs โmanipulationโ. The only thing he got back was his soul, and that plot point was barely expanded on and pretty much irrelevant so he didnโt do anything! He got his ass handed to him twice, humiliated, how do you sleep in an office chair for months, and he accomplished none of the other goals that he set out to do!
our hero, everybody!
OMG!
THANK YOU!
Iโm loving the Carmilla and Alastor HATE!
I HATE Alastor and was meh Carmilla.
Sheโs annoying and a nothing burger to me. Same as most of the characters aside the Vees(whom I LOVE).
And yes, I said exactly the same thing before about how Carmilla would be the most dangerous overlord to work for or be owned by, BECAUSE of the ANGELIC STEEL!
Like all the overlords are awful people and have no problem using, torturing, or temp killing sinners, but those sinners would come back eventually!
With Carmilla, they are literally working with and testing out a material/weapons that can permanently kill them!!
And I agree. Business and people contact others to do something for them. Itโs kind of a normal thing to do. So, Iโm not sure why fans are having trouble understanding that.
And YES, Iโm soo tired of Alastor fans taking him at his word. Heโs a lying hypocrite fraud(among other things). Seriously what has he actually accomplished or achieved?
What fights has he won, besides with Ser Pen?
I HATE THAT FUCKING DEER SO MUCH!!
Alastor honestly ruins a lot of the show for me.
And yep, take him away, and I think season 2 would have been mostly the same and in my opinion way BETTER. He accomplished NOTHING!
And I once said the deer cheat coded his way to power and a lot of his fans were pissed! One even compared him making a deal with Rosie as contract job. And that he wasnโt owned. Like what?!
But they seemed to not understand a CEO actually outsourcing a job. Like they believed Vox could do nothing and all the other shit Alastor said.
I honestly would NOT be surprised if Alastor has never actually done anything noteworthy in Hell. And itโs all a big scam like the Wizard of Oz. With Alastor convincing the whole place heโs the most powerful & scary sinner, but if you look behind the curtain, nothing! Just all a big fucking lie.
Like what have we SEEN the deer do? Nothing. Itโs all been word of mouth and โscary storiesโ told by others. Or rumors. Like how does that not scream fraud for most people?
Alastor doesnโt come off as powerful or scary. He doesnโt come off as smart or cunning. And he canโt manipulate at all. Alastor comes off as an arrogant edgelord fuck boy who thinks heโs a billy badass. Also, he doesnโt come off as a gentlemen, I donโt know where the FUCK HIS FANS ARE GETTING THAT?!
Vox worked for his power, he built himself from the ground up in Hell. He didnโt cheat code it. Vox IS SMART. When he isnโt being an insecure dumbass(affectionate).
Yes, heโs partners with the Vees. Because 1, itโs a good business plan to combine 3 different types of entertainment and an overlord partnership has never been done before in Hell, so that stands out for them and 2 because the Vees all work well together and WANT to be together. They are a family.
Doesnโt mean the 3 of them didnโt earn their keep or are powerless without each other.
Also, I REALLY donโt understand Voxโs need to prove himself better than Alastor. Vox has his own company, heโs rich, powerful, has great clothes and fashion thanks to Vel, he has an sexy partner to fuck around with, has a fucking tower for a home, has an evil found family, an awesome pet/kid. He has his face and the other Vees faces all over Hell. Even Lucifer knew him. Not his name but he still knew him. And Alastor has what? An old radio station? And living with others at the hotel. He wears the same clothing that has rips and tears in them, he doesnโt have his own home, heโs not rich, he doesnโt have a family or even friends. And sure he has a โjobโ at the hotel. But he doesnโt even do that! And as you mentioned until recently, heโs been leashed/chain for almost a century! So, why the FUCK would Vox need to prove heโs better than Alastor?? He already clearly is!!
Anyway, I loved your post and reblog, so I thought I would throw my 2 cents in here as well. Lol
And for the record, he wasnโt in the chair for months. There is a breakdown on the season 2 timeline, that multiple people worked on to figure out. And all of season 2 was like only one week in universe. Unless Iโm misunderstanding what you are saying about him being in an office chair.
PS- I saw that you mentioned that Vox was doing fine in Alastorโs 7 year absence, and he didnโt even notice Alastor was back. I mentioned that before and radiostatic/ Alastor fans were again mad about that. But whatever!
I wanted to ask, since you bought that up. Do you think the fact that Vox was slowing getting more obsessive with his need to prove himself and with Alastor in general from season 1 to the end of season 2, seem natural?
Like I know this would never happen in show, but Alastor is a radio demon. He controls radio wave lengths/signals. And Vox is a tv demon. Like Alastor doesnโt even have to be powerful. Radio signals donโt need to be powerful to affect TV signals.
Radio signals can affect and even alter TV signals and receptions, etc. Maybe being in close proximity of Alastor for more than normal since their friendship ended up letting Alastor able to use his radio signals along with Voxโs trauma and insecurity against Vox. Which would explain why Voxโs mental health went down so quickly, until he had his manic episode. Just a thought I had. Because I donโt remember Vox being nowhere near this obsessive about Alastor in season 1. Especially since as you mentioned he didnโt even notice Alastor was back.
ALL of it only takes place in a WEEK?!
I knew the first 4 only took place within like... 2-3 days
Well... episode 2 probably happened over the course of the month between seasons 1 and 2 but yeah the end of episodes 1 and 2 happened concurrently and then episode 3 happens right after that same day! Then the next day is episode 4.
But ALL of it happens over the course of only a WEEK?! That makes Vox look EVEN MORE impressive because that means within a DAY he gets ALL the overlords on his side, organizes a WAR rally, AND humiliates Lucifer! He had the plans for a weapon of mass destruction drafted and finished IN LESS THAN A DAY and Carmilla had like... 1-2 days to BUILD it! Wow... That's crazy!
The Devil works hard but not as hard as Vox, PERIOD! My goodness.
Also yes, twin! We LOVE the Alastor/Carmilla slander!
And YES I think the Vox obsession is WAY too OOC!
Vox and Alastor's relationship SUCKS! Why were they friends? Vox said he found Alastor inspiring but... what about him did he even find appealing? What about him IS inspiring? Alastor bought his powers, not worked for them! He lied within the same scene (He call Vox "Pal" and then says "there are no friends in hell") Like... ? What about him did you like?!
Vox in S2 doesn't feel like the same Vox in S1. He was a team player who could charm a room of reporters through sheer charisma alone! He kept his team together and on good terms. He doesnโt even line up with his past as the primadonna Vincent Whittman. It is SO ooc for him to be THAT obsessed with Alastor and I FIRMLY believe it was JUST meant to be ship bait.
yeah Vox was obsessed with taking Alastor down and they had a very Rival/Enemies coded relationship. But to me it always felt more even... especially during season 1. Yeah, Alastor was shown getting one over on Vox but their hatred really felt like it wasn't just one sided.
Alastor didn't need to hyjack Vox's song if he really didn't care about what Vox was saying... but he did, because he does care. (Not in a romantic way) Alastor hated Vox as much as Vox hated him, and he'd take any opportunity to fight with the guy because that was the only fun/the only challenge he had in Hell.
But then season 2 rolls around and Vox became a creepy obsessive incel. He's obsessed with Alastor! To the point that he might actually have an Alastor Body pillow like some of yall put in your Vox fanfics. And that's genuinely what it feels like sometimes, a fanfic. "Oh wow! Vox is just such a Yandere for Alastor! Look at their toxic Yaoi!" It doesn't feel even anymore! It genuinely feels like Vox is harassing Alastor (and... isn't he? He ties Al up and parades him around... eventually forcing Al to watch him and Valentino to have sex! Like he has a fetish for being humiliated and then humiliating his partner twice as much!)
Vox eventually goes as far as pushing away every other relationship and all common sense just for Alastor's approval. Like... HUH?! That is not something Season 1 Vox would have done!!
I have SO much more stuff about how I feel like Vox's obsession came out of LITERALLY NOWHERE
But YES!! I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your idea of Why Vox felt so ooc! (I might use that for a Hazbin AU I'm writing...)
YES, In like a week!
Crazy, right?!
Episode 6 is where people were having the most trouble figuring out the timeline.
But going by the rest of the episodes pacing, and among other reasons. It doesnโt seem like a long time between 5 and 6. A few days at most.
The first 3 episodes were all on the SAME DAY. Which is insane!
Iโll add a screenshot of the timeline and the reasonings, at the bottom of the post!
And exactly!
Like Vox did all of that in around a week!
Itโs impressive.
And one of the MANY reason why I hate when fans genuinely call him dumb and not being able to do things himself. Like I will affectionately call him an dumbass or something but thatโs for certain things only, not in general and I KNOW heโs actually smart most of the time.
But when people genuinely & seriously think heโs just a dumb loser that canโt do anything, well it pisses me off.
Fuck yeah. Hi, Twin!!
Iโm always down for Alastor hate. And I have no problem slandering any character except for the Vees.. those 3 are my babies and have done no wrong, ever. (Joking) lol
Seriously though I can hate on any of the characters in general but Alastor, oh boy, he is my most hated from the show. I think I went on a rant about him more than once. Haha.
THANK YOU!!
Vox did NOT seem like Vox in season 2.
I want to say it was his mental breakdown, but even with that he just didnโt seem like himself.
And FUCK YES. I HATE Vox and Alastorโs โrelationshipโ. It does SUCK.
I also donโt even know what Vox saw in him.
Like admire him for WHAT?
Just exactly! Exactly all you are saying!!
I donโt like radiostatic, I HATE it in fact. I hate what that ship bait (yes, I also agree it was ship bait) did to ruin Vox as character and messing with his actual relationships with the other Vees.
Like they threw Voxโs personality, his good traits and his friendship/relationship with the Vees, all to make him a pathetic fail loser who simps & is obsessed over the deer. And yeah, OOC is a good way to describe season 2 him.
I love Vox. I think I mentioned heโs my second favorite character. So, I should have been ECSTATIC for Vox to be a main villain and a major character this season. But honestly?
It was a let down.
I canโt even rewatch season 2 because of all the bullshit of how he acts around Alastor and all the โradiostaticโ bait that they kept pushing in the show. I do NOT care about THAT STUPID FUCKING DEER OR HIS SHIPS!!
And WHERE THE FUCK DOES VOX HAVING A CRUSH OR BEING IN LOVE WITH THE DEER COME FROM???
It was nowhere in season 1 as far as I remember. Please correct me if Iโm wrong.
And Sorry, but that past scene did NOT come off as a crush or being in love to me. So, I was so fucking shocked when I got on here and other places for the fandom and people were soo happy about Vox having a crush or being in love with Alastor.
And I was like, โWhat the fuck are they talking about?!โ
And fuck, I have soo much to say about that bullshit of a past scene. UGH!!
And him being in love with the deer is NOT canon. The fans said the crush was. They said Viv said it was. But when I ask for proof of either the crush or being in love, I never get an answer besides them reading into things in the show. I actually WANT to know if itโs canon or not. I want to know about canon in a show I watch. Even if I donโt agree with it or like it.
Like I donโt care if a ship is canon or not.
Ship away. Ship and let ship, etc even if I personally hate it.
But I donโt like people lying about whether a ship is canon or not. Or denying canon.
Like I hate a lot of canon stuff in Hazbin and other media but I donโt DENY it.
And yeah, they came off as more annoying rivals who occasionally, but equally, messed with each other.
And. YES, the obsession came out of nowhere to me as well. At least that amount of obsession.
Season 2 was definitely NOT my favorite as a Vox fan. But I did love the Val and Vel parts though, and the occasional Vox parts where he wasnโt a Alastor simping bitch and he was closer to being himself. Lol
And I love talking about this!
Almost anywhere else and you got a bunch of Vox โfansโ who actually only like him as part of radiostatic ship and are REALLY Alastor fans and not actually Vox fans, & seem to think everything Alastor is true. Even on subs or posts, that is supposed to be about Vox as a character!
They almost always make it about that deer!
Seriously on Reddit I avoid most subreddits for Hazbin except the Valentino and Staticmoth subreddit. Because even on subs that are supposed to just be about Vox a CHARACTER, the deer is brought up 90% of the time. Itโs ridiculous!
Or in the regular subs for Hazbin they are just Alastor fans that take the KNOWN lying hypocrite for his word and believe all his says about Vox.
So, if you want to talk more about it all, Iโm always to talk about it.
And YAY! Thank you!
Glad you liked my idea/headcanon.
And if you do use it in a fic, send me the link please, I would love to read it!! ๐ฉต
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Season 2 Timelineโ
Day 1 - Episode 1, 2, 3 happened.
Day 2 - Episode 4 happened.
Day 3 - Episode 5 happened
Day 4(?)- Episode 6 happened
Day 5 - Episode 7 happened
Day 6 - Episode 8 happened.
Here are the reasons for the timeline breakdown-



















