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personally speaking im extremely sick of it all

OP isn't oppressed for being a man, OP is oppressed for being a TRANS man. OP is a target of transphobia because OP is transgender.

im so confused how OP can accurately identify the oppression they experience as transphobia, but then proceed to say they experience for being a man, not for being transgender.

the reason trans women do experience oppression for being women is because we live in a patriarchal society. so women experience oppression simply for being women.

that is why trans women experience oppression for being women AND for being transgender.

in other words, transmisogyny.

Read the post again.

Why are you bring up cisgender men when I am talking about transgender men? I said this in the replies but why must you transphobes always go "but what about cis men???? Do you think cis men [xyz that I said about trans men]???" Like you must know how disgustingly transphobic & cissexist it is to constantly bring up and compare trans men to cis men when we're talking about trans men's experiences, right? Because it's so fucking obvious you bigots see trans manhood as an inauthentic poor imitation of cis manhood, rather than a unique and authentic, very real, manhood on its own that exists outside of cispatriarchal ideals of what it means to be a man and is therefore treated differently by cis patriarchy.

I've read Crenshaw multiple times. It seems like you haven't, or by "reading" you mean looking at words and not actually thinking about the meaning of those words strung together.

Because there is no reality in which transgender men are treated as nebulously "transgender" without an actual gender modifier changing that. The modality through which trans men are transgender is their gender identity as men.

It works like this:

Person identifies as a man > being a man is different to their socially imposed gender > because they are man that means they are trans > becsuse they are a man that is trans they experience oppression for their transGENDER identity > simplified, they are oppressed for their gender identity because that is what makes them trans, and thus open to oppression.

Nowhere am I saying "all man are oppressed for being men". I am saying "every transGENDER person is oppressed because of their GENDER identity, including trans men".

"Trans men are oppressed for being men", "trans men are oppressed for being trans", and "trans men are oppressed for being trans men" all mean the same thing.

I wrote this post because I'm sick of seeing anti-intersectional bullshit separating our gender from our troubles as trans, when the reason we are even trans is because we are men and those two things are inseparable parts of our identity. Bigots don't look at me and go "well you're trans so I hate you, but you being a man is fine". It is the very act of transitioning toward manhood that makes me open to transphobia and bigotry and oppression. The very fact of me being a man is very specifically what they hate about me.

And it's wild because men and women both, cis and trans alike, are so convinced that they are the only ones not believed about pain, not allowed to express certain emotions.

When disability is a connected factor, then there is even greater disbelief, backlash, lack of patience. When mental health is a factor, there is an even greater assumption of low tolerance or delusion. When race is a connected factor, then suddenly Black people are meant to have a higher pain tolerance, so they are allowed to suffer more. Self-medication is expected in some areas, and forbidden in others. Access through financial means is a barrier to care.

There's so many layers to the concept of "I'm not allowed to react to my suffering" that are all true, but every time there is someone making gendered arguments of "UNLIKE MY OPPOSITE" I have to call bullshit. Cis men and women do it to each other, they do it to trans people, trans people do it to each other, and to cis people.

But I hope the next generation of trans people will know exactly how tenuous this "community" is and how willing it was to sacrifice us. I hope they remain forever unforgiven. And I hope the guilt eats them alive.

I’ve seen the term Müllerian recommended more and more frequently as a replacement for AGAB language, but I still had to go out of my way to learn what the equivalent (Wolffian) is called :/

speaking as an intersex woman who is already exhausted by the manner in which transfeminists have co-opted and continue to misuse cafab/camab, terms we created in response to the misuse of afab/amab, i am sick of the language changing. every intersex peer i have, too, is tired of it. müllerian and wolffian work entirely fine as addendums to assigned [fe]male at birth, but no intersex person you speak to will demand they serve as replacements.

what really needs to happen is that more people should acknowledge that being assigned [fe]male at birth, being viewed as [fe]male by society, and identifying personally as [fe]male are all separate concepts.

Like the idea, "if a trans man were not trans, he would be a cis man," despite being well meaning, entirely erases the traversal inherent to transness. Especially for trans men who love not being cis, who fulfill and represent a manhood which is not conformant to cis ideals, nor inherently based on the identities of cis men. This same principle stands for the rest of the trans spectrum, and especially for nonbinary folks who have no cis counterparts, trans men have just been the example in the posts I've read.

Let's say I am residing in one city, and travel to another, if I had never traveled, I would still be in the previous location. This concept is important, trans advocacy, as far as I am concerned, requires that we grow beyond the idea of gender as static. In my metaphor, if we argue that I actually inherently reside in the second city, while that can be my personal experience, and I may personally choose not to acknowledge my previous city, is not useful to pretend I never moved when defending my right to reside somewhere besides the place I was born. That is to say, holding that transness includes traversal of states and identity, whether internal or external, is essential to trans liberation.

The utility in "born this way," rhetoric has especially run short in the fight for unconditional acceptance of transness and queerness at large - because to think all queer people were simply, "born this way," is to believe that queerness is contingent upon permanence, further dependent on the innateness of their identities - which is cissexism. The idea that gender is innate and unchangeable is core to patriarchal enforcement after all.

we need gynecological care. we experience higher rates of medical discrimination that effect access to gynecological care. our ability to get abortions is effected by this, as is it effected by abortion being made illegal. some medical providers deny birth control to trans people on testosterone hrt. forced pregnancy is commonly used to detransition us.

neither trans nor cis women face this in the way that we do.

“systemically there is no real patriarchal oppression trans men face that trans women do not.” 

period stigma. the financial burden of menstrual products. female class genital mutilation. female class infanticide. stunted development encouragement as children due to sexist bias. in some countries we cannot leave without the permission of a cis man due to being classed as female. 

this is real, systemic, patriarchal oppression, that those shoved into the class of 'female' at birth face, and trans women do not.

“the treatment of transfeminized people by society is inherently different. inherently worse. not just socially or interpersonally but systemically.” 

socially: trans men have higher rates of sexual violence, one in two trans men have been sexually assaulted. we also have higher rates of domestic violence, and intimate partner violence. we have higher suicide attempt rates. as well as being more likely to be in severe psychological distress and depressed. while less likely to be generally happy and thriving. we are more likely to be harassed or discriminated against in restaurants, hotels, retail stores, and bathrooms. and have higher avoidance rates of public bathrooms. 

systemically: we are less represented in political office. we are more likely to have negative experiences with law enforcement. we overall are found to make less money. we are more likely to be harassed when we present incongruent identity documents. testosterone is a controlled schedule III substance that can result in criminal charges without a prescription. it is more common for us to be denied insurance coverage of hrt. due to our higher rates of medical discrimination we are also much more likely to avoid receiving necessary medical treatment due to fear of harassment and discrimination. we have higher rates of being in poor health. and avoiding healthcare due to cost. and are also more likely to be harassed or discriminated against by government agencies. as well as have negative experiences with airport security.

we also have comparable violent victimization rates with trans women. and trans boys are just as likely to be homeless.

this reads to me as a very clever sort of semantic trick that’s main purpose is obfuscating the axis of oppression that those assigned the female sex class inhabit, by making it impossible for us to talk about it. and of course once it’s impossible to talk about it, it’s impossible to fix.

until someone can actually explain to me in the tangible and material, how what has been listed is not unique to transmasculine people, outside of hypotheticals they treat as more real than the millions of real flesh and blood trans men and mascs living through the things listed, i will be considering this a tactic for imposing silence.

can't say afab, cant say born female, cant say female organ, can't even talk about uteruses or vaginas or periods without labeling them as male or female, can't talk about socialization, can't again just talk about our childhoods and upbringings without even labelling them.

"man is neutral and positive, and woman is only negative". extrapolate to male/female or amab/afab, and it's clear that trans women see themselves as neutral and positive, and trans men as negative, a lack, worse than nothing, a sucking void into which their "realness" flows, lost forever more.

that's why trans men "take up too much space" and "contribute nothing" at the same time. that's why gock refers to a trans woman's penis but bussy also refers to an amab's butthole, and not a trans man's front hole. Amabs have the power of naming, which is why they get to decide "transandrophobia" isn't the right word for us, and neither is misogyny, neither is transphobia, neither is transmisogyny, and afabs have the power of being told to shut up, sit still, and to nod our heads politely in agreement.

But that would necessitate acknowledging that what happened to them was the backhand of male socialization, which would mean that gendered socialization is real, which would mean that female socialization also exists and more severely hurts those the partiarchy is explicitly designed to oppress, exploit and subjugate, through social technologies it has spent several thousand years refining.

Bigots will throw binary trans people at nonbinary trans people. They don't love binary trans people, they don't wish you were binary trans, they wish you were a step closer to "normal" until they move the goalposts again.

"everyone loves tomboys" they fuckin loaaathe tomboys, but if they can convince you you're not trans, you're really a gnc girl, then they've got you back to "girl" and then they can go after the GNC part next.

There isn't an actual hierarchy in gender minorityship where ones are championed and others are loathed. They just know that 1. if you think each other are enemies you'll help tear each other down 2. if you moved back closer to their goal they can move you again because it's not about your specific path of gender transgression, the transgression itself IS their problem

you can be a trans man, trans woman, nonbinary person, xeno stargender, multigender, gnc man or woman, or just a person who identifies with cisheteronormativity but is getting flagged anyway because hyperscruitiny encourages us to find why someone doesnt belong

To put this in perspective, the last time an American subgroup migrated at these rates was the Great Migration, in which roughly 6 million Southern Black people fled Jim Crow violence and repression. This occurred over a period of decades, in the face of political repression, systematic violence, and legal apartheid.

In its fastest decade, the 1940s, 1.5 million left the South—against a Southern Black population of roughly 10 million. Black America fled Jim Crow at about 1.5% a year, at a time when baseline inter-state mobility was higher than it was today.

Feminism > Misogyny primarily emerges from the desire to control reproduction, child rearing, and domestic labor

Transfeminism > Misogyny primarily emerges from the hatred of femininity. Thinking misogyny its motivated based on anything to do with uteruses / pregnancy / childbirth is TERFism

Feminism > Femininity is a set of standards designed to socially enforce submission in women and benefit the male gaze.

Transfeminism > Femininity is innate, an ethereal essence that exists within certain people from birth, which motivates the desire or need to adhere to certain standards.

Feminism > Femininity as a set of social standards is oppressive and can be deeply traumatizing

Transfeminism > Femininity can't be oppressive because Femininity itself is oppressed. Because transfems are denied femininity, people assigned female at birth are privileged for having access to femininity.

Feminism > Gender nonconforming women, especially queer gnc women, are punished for not adhering to femininity. (This goes for transmasc people as well, who are typically treated as GNC women).

Transfeminism > Masculinity is always rewarded in society, so GNC women aren't as scrutinized. Transmasc are privileged on the basis of their masculinity.

Feminism > Gendered socialization is the primary means through which gendered social hiearchy is enforced. It is how boys and men are taught to be misogynistic and entitled, and how girls and women are taught submissive and obedient. Nobody is born misogynistic.