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Hello, I donāt know what Iām doing, but Iām here for the c!Dream angst. So, you know there is going to be plenty of good old prison arc and mature content though Iāll try to be mindful of profanity if not in dialogue. Obviously, Iām a c!Dream sympathizer. And not that you need to know but I am also autistic, as well as an artist and an alliteration addict. ;) I was previously a poet before I very recently started writing fanfiction so Iām a sucker for flowery writing and analysis, even though Iām actually a transportation engineer.
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Hell in a Box - Scrapped lore: c!Dream gets c!Sam to free him and then has a deep chat with c!Punz.
Misery Loves Another Idiot With A Jukebox Where His Soul Should Be (short hand: misery loves an idiot) - c!Quackity gets creative in his daily visits with c!Dream.
Dreamcatcher - c!Punz gets caught in a nightmare c!Dream has.
[sequel] Dreamweaver - c!Dream shows c!Punz his past through a dream.
Good Cop āBadā Cop - c!Bad is a prison guard who takes pity on a mistreated c!Dream.
If The Crown Fits, Wear It - c!Techno upgrades c!Dreamās look with a crown.
Crowās Nest - c!Dream haunts c!Technoās house (co-authored with @error-dream-was-found).
[sequel] Musical Chairs - Scrapped lore following the events of Crows Nest + c!Punz, c!Techno, c!Dream and a chair... need I say more?
B is for Betrayal - c!Punz helps c!Dream through a medical emergency.
A Gravel Mistake - c!Quackity acts sus so c!Foolish visits the prison
Robbing a Vault Thatās A Prison - c!Techno kidnaps rescues c!Dream from prison again
Together Is Always Better - c!Quackity tortures c!Dream while c!Technoās there
Technoblade (Never) Dies - What if Phil activates the pearl a minute too late and c!Techno dies
Pink Goes Good With Green - c!Niki helps c!Dream heal after prison break
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Misery Loves Another Idiot With A Jukebox Where His Soul Should Be - chapter title songs
Some Snakes Just Bite - c!Dream on his villain arc
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Been writing some little chapters that are like partially done, might try and post something this week so which would you prefer.
Note: Monster & Mercenary would be a new fic full of random staged duo scenes like expanding ones Iāve written here and/or writing an idea Iāve talked about here.
What should I work on?
Ch ? Master Plan, Monster & Mercenary (Punz pov)
Ch ? Monsoon, Monster & Mercenary (Dream pov)
Ch 5 - As Long As Your Mine, Pink Goes Good With Green (Niki pov)
Ch 17 - Hooked On A Feeling, Misery Loves An Idiot⦠(Dream pov)
Voting ended on7h
And I reserve the right to ignore this poll and post whatever I end up inspired to write. Just kinda curious tbh
Thinking about how c!Dream is literally just fear personified.
Like if you think any of his actions donāt make sense just remember that this man is scared of absolutely everything. The first thing he did after he realised that attachments meant risk getting hurt wasnāt to protect the attachments, no, he decided he needed to get rid of the feeling of love in the first place.
The urge to control always stems from fear. Dream was scared of Tommy. Thatās why he went out of his way to exile him and monitor him. He was scared of death, so he mastered his control over it, he was scared of betrayal so he lost all of his friends in an attempt to control them (donāt even get me started on Punz and how the more paranoid dream grew the more Punz blindly trusted him. Punz gave up everything else to dedicate himself to Dream).
I know people associate him with the colour green (duh), but to me he is white. White in the way of something that has lost all colour, all joy, all other emotion. Anytime he gains colour, he makes sure to wash it all off again. Because colour, emotion, feelings are difficult to control and predict.
Dreamās like Bondrewd from MiA. Before he snuffed out anyone elseās light he killed himself and who he is. Because if youāre not even a person at all, then you canāt be hurt.
It seems I have been summoned lol so hopefully itās okay if I respond.
The interesting thing here is that yes I do think fear is a huge piece of Dreamās arc, something Iāve talked about before [<> <>] like you pointed out it is his fear of death that leads him to try and conquer it and it is his fear of losing his friends that leads him to try and take control of the situations, it is his fear of Tommy that leads him to try and pacify him. But I think itās important to note that fear doesnāt come out of nowhere and isnāt his initial reaction to things, all of these fears are real and have proven to be real. So hereās where we diverge.
Like if you think any of his actions donāt make sense just remember that this man is scared of absolutely everything.
Is he? Because Iād almost argue in multiple instances he isnāt scared enough. He underestimates people. He isnāt scared enough of the server to think theyāll really take all of his lives in staged finale, he isnāt scared enough of Sam and the prison to think heāll end up starved and tortured, he isnāt scared enough of Tommy in the finale to think heād nuke them. He isnāt even scared enough of Wilbur when he first started Lāmanberg because even after the war he let them have it. He isnāt afraid of everything. People who are afraid of everything donāt rain tnt down from the sky. No, heās afraid of what became actual threats.
The first thing he did after he realised that attachments meant risk getting hurt wasnāt to protect the attachments, no, he decided he needed to get rid of the feeling of love in the first place.
He didnāt try and protect things? Are you sure? Because he tried to protect Spiritās leather by going along with the blackmail at first, only to realize that it would never end, Tommy wasnāt going to just stop with making him remove the wall just as he didnāt stop by using it to leverage himself out of an agreement. Instead he pushed it a step further into removing the wall and then who knows what heād force Dream to do next (this is a man who literally held Antfrost hostage for a day to force to do labor and who used Techno and Dream to fight wars for himā¦). He lost George (and by extension Sapnap) trying to protect him. Trying to remove him from the throne after Techno just killed him because of it. But he didnāt walk away from them, they walked away from him after he begged them to understand.
[<>] Dream: āBut youāve also been the least safe king because you just get attacked all the time because people donāt like me. And therefore, they donāt like you because youāre behind me, and youāre my friend.ā
And a huge piece of staged finale is literally him protecting Punz by having him dissociate with him. So yes, he lost his attachments but for all he says he didnāt throw them away, and he never lost his attachment to them. Not even when they wanted to kill him like Sapnap who is mentioned in the finale as an example of his friend. It was never about his worry of being hurt but his worry of them getting hurt because of him.
Punz gave up everything else to dedicate himself to Dream.
I think itās more so that Punz didnāt give up everything, but he like Dream didnāt really have anyone else. At least not people he wanted to side with anyways. Definitely not the nations who excluded him āyou have some people in the nation and you exclude others.ā He didnāt give up anything to be on Dreamās side even his safety as he is able to be on his side without people knowing. He chose Dreamās side because he agreed with his goal 100% and was his friend. He was always trusting and an argument can certainly be made to an unhealthy and unwise point, but thatās honestly a discussion for another time.
Anytime he gains colour, he makes sure to wash it all off again. Because colour, emotion, feelings are difficult to control and predict.
Difficult to control and predict? Or a liability, a vulnerability, something making him impulsive and potentially unsafe. When we think about the moments when he is emotional so often itās either used against him or brushed off. Yes emotions are difficult to predict and control but the reason he feels he needs to try and control them is because otherwise he is at risk. Heās not afraid of his emotions but how people will use them against him. Like confessing how he feels bad in the cell only for Tommy to mock him for it. But when itās him and Techno in the cell he is allowed to be vulnerable and then validated. So, I feel like it isnāt about him washing away as much as not allowed to keep it in the first place. Sam and Sapnap and Tommy canāt seem to grasp how he had been hurt by the things that happened in prison. Sapnap and George donāt listen to his fear and wanting to protect them. Lāmanberg doesnāt understand how their separation and exclusion hurts him and his family. There are so few instances when he isnāt allowed to feel things by others.
Which brings us to your last point about him killing the parts of himself that make him a person in order to be safe, because again he was labeled a monster long before Doomsday, long before his revival experiments, even before Exile. They may have seen him as a monster who couldnāt be hurt and didnāt have reasons, but I donāt think he thought that. He expresses his hurt in the finale, his whys and anger and grief. Iām sure he wishes he couldnāt feel hurt anymore. Iām sure he wished he couldnāt feel attached. But in the end we learn that he was doing it all to get back his family - his attachments because he didnāt want to ever be aloneā¦
hey hi hello. this is the "thank you for all your analysises and i'm just joining the fandom" anon. to be clear i intended to reply to your reply way earlier but. forgor.
i'm glad my ask made you smile, i really am :]
and ye, joining in the 2026 does feel pretty wild at times. like traversing the lands of a once great empire that has since been crumbling away and meeting all these people that still live here, among the echoes of what once was. but it's pretty chill so far so i'm glad i joined
also, it'll definitely take me a Long Time to write the Dream Angst fic i planned for a multitude of personal reasons, but i can yap to you about the idea and future plot of it, if you don't mind ^^
Thatās a good fandom analogy lol, certainly an empire with a lot of inner fighting. Which yeah on one hand itās a lot more peaceful nowadays, but on the other hand it is certainly more desolate. Itās also interesting because I think while in the past people were probably more open to different points of view and speculation, now it seems like people can become set on how theyāve perceived the characters and unwilling to consider beyond that. This aided by fading memory, people joining late who didnāt watch all of the lore, repeated conversations newer people are aware of, and fanons so ingrained into the fandom the truth can get lost. Which I get, people like that version and donāt want anyone challenging what they have found they enjoy. And I say all that with absolutely no shade to anyone, just simply stating an observation Iāve had in general.
Though to be fair that isnāt strictly true. I feel like my opinion on things has actually shifted over the years instead of staying stuck, and I wouldnāt be surprised if others have too (actually know of people who it has also) which makes sense as we age and learn and grow. Views on life change especially in the younger years of life as we gain more experiences to form opinions about. And in this fandom, so many started out rather young, but now that itās been 6ish years that means theoretically fans who were in elementary school (which I really hope isnāt super common because there is some seriously vulgar and dark things in the story told by 20 year oldsā¦) are potentially in high school, people in middle school have likely finished high school or are close to it, people who were in high school are in college or already graduated college, and people who were in college (like me) have graduated or in grad school. And I can say even just those changes of academic levels makes a big difference on how you see things and how your life changes. Like for example going from high school to college is a big step in independence. Going from college to work force is a big change out of the school grind. My schedule is not the same it was 6 years ago and I certainly am not the same person I was. Itās really so wild to think about how weāve all grown to be honest⦠I mean if I were like my friends Iād be having kids who then might grow up in the next 6 years to like Minecraftā¦
Anywaysā¦. That got off track fast oops. To be fair, while part of me wonders why someone would join something so late, another part of me understands, cuz the story is cool and I mean for me amongst other things, the devastating prison arc is rather appealing. Plus there is certainly not a lack of fandom content to consume from fics to art to analysis, which not all obsessions are blessed to have so thatās certainly fun. :)
hello :D is there anything you really love to see in c!dream and c!punz designs? (be it a small detail or something more big)
Hmm Iām not sure I mean part of why I leave their descriptions lacking in fics is to give people free rein to imagine their own version. And thatās something I think that is really cool and unique about the dsmp fandom because you have these often derpy skins that then people get to translate into something more real and that can take all types of forms.
Personally though I guess more in general, as characterized by my art, I like human versions and I like them to look badass not necessarily like evil but like you donāt want to mess with them. Maybe even more soft on the inside but covered in gear and such that makes them look fierce I guess if that makes sense. I think itās especially cool when instead of hoodies people take Punzās skin and interpret it into something more complimentary to the armor he wears. Because whatever part of lore weāre talking both of them are rather formidable. I also like to see some jewelry especially on Punz cuz I feel like it just seems fitting to me with the whole mercenary vibe so like some golden rings or bracelets to go along with his medallion. Also weapons, they always seem prepared for a fight so it feels fitting that they have multiple weapons on them, especially Dream I mean the man be carrying around multiple axes lol. Hope that answers your question <3
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c!tommy uses the b!tch slur so much and people are shocked he's sexist/genuine?!!!
Right?!
And Iām not saying that word alone is proof as it is just a cuss word that can be used in multiple ways that arenāt all just derogatory towards women (tho not to diminish anyone who has been hurt by it of course it can be seriously harmful and demeaning), but his frequency of use combined with other things certainly doesnāt help how he comes across. And I mean Iām not saying he is literally sexist or a misogynist as far as hating women or thinking them beneath him, but he certainly doesnāt go out of his way to treat women with respect to counter all of his misogynistic and disrespectful behavior/jokes. Even if they are suppose to be funny/lighthearted, it gets to a point when it starts to become uncomfortable for me watching his pov and hurtful for the women like Alyssa he is harming on the server.
āThe womenā jokes made towards Alyssa were something a lot of people played into, not just ccTommy but also her good friends sheād had for years. But Iād say these comments/actions exist in two different realities of discussion. In-lore Iād say itās rather misogynistic against c!Alyssa because itās not just messing about in a video game for content like irl (in lore she is a stranger you are getting up in the face of and fighting with and trying to degrade). Maybe not as misogynistic from others like c!Dream who was her friend, and who appears to have mocked the Lmanbergians for their apparent phobia of women (think the āwarning: womanā signs he made) (hopefully my memory is correct here). But out of lore I think the comments towards Alyssa by ccās are basically actually making funĀ ofĀ misogyny and how stupid it is, not necessarily representative of actual misogynistic with the cc (though the joke was played out in a annoying fashion and maybe not executed well, and could be critiqued as that).Ā
To talk about this more in-lore though, as it is an interesting topic: c!Tommy saying these things and harassing c!Alyssa in what he found a humorous fashion may have also been coming not entirely from a place of firm misogyny but also justĀ flippant bullying. A big thing about c!Tommy in this time period is that he behaves in nasty ways towards others because he just doesnāt think, doesnāt actually absorb how hurtful or damaging those things really are (heās a naturally empathetic person if he stops to seriously understand things for a moment). His rudeness/harassment/misogyny towards c!Alyssa may in large part come from that tooāas jokes even in-loreānot a deep belief in misogyny (though I personally think he does have some boyish misogynistic attitudes).
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Sorry for my delay in response, I wanted to find the signs you mentioned because I remembered them too but always like to verify and then that sent me down some rabbit holesā¦
But you are correct, Dream did put up those signs to make fun of Tommy and Lāmanberg, with Alyssa even joining in on the joke, which is another aspect that I think changes how the joke comes across because for Dreamās women bits in this stream that could come across wrong, Alyssa is participating in a lot of them rather than fighting back making it much more obviously a joke rather than making fun of her/women in general.
And that to me is a relevant point, because it becomes less of a joke when the person is getting hurt rather than laughing along. As you said, thatās more so bullying. And yeah, I didnāt even think about how much they are strangers vs her friends saying it (honestly this is kinda applicable to c and cc to be fair because Tommy wasnāt friends with Alyssa before) which is probably also why the attitude of similar jokes is different even beyond whether Alyssa is joining in (that and I think Tommy just drags things on too long and too far but thatās just my opinion). And boy does that change things because itās one thing to make a potential offensive joke with a friend and a whole other to do so with a stranger.
So yeah canonically you are on to something. It really gives a whole new level because some of that even motivation of the bit (to entertain the audience) is lost meaning itās not just what he thinks his viewers will think is funny but what he himself finds funny. And you are so right I think there is a point to be made that perhaps itās less about misogyny and women overall and more just another way to make fun of people. With him also making fun of Americans, him making fun of Dream, making fun of Tubbo for being āclingyāā¦etc. āThe womanā joke is just easy pickings. Like you pointed out it is certainly behavior we see from Tommy at this time that can be vastly inconsiderate and seemingly oblivious to how it hurts others. (Not sure I see the naturally empathetic bit, I swear I am willing to I just donāt seen any examples). However, I think itās important that his behavior doesnāt end with being rude to Alyssa and that isnāt the only bordering misogynistic thing/comments he makes so while yes itās a means to once again bully, women jokes are also a reoccurring theme for him. I do agree tho in and out of lore I donāt necessarily think he is misogynistic or sexist like in which he believes less of women or is anti-woman even if his behavior can come across that way. And you have a good point part of it does seem to stem from that younger boyish attitude (ya know kinda like the whole girls have cooties type deal)⦠Then again as you said, him being so rude to a stranger not a friend says a lot and like I said itās not like Alyssa is the only example of his behavior being borderline misogynistic...
I mean, a couple more examples I found while looking for the signs is calling people like Jack [link] and Punz [post] simps for defending women, and him talking about not allowing women into the fight club
[link] Tommy: āI donāt think Iāve ever met a woman who supports fightingāand again Iām not sexist, alright? But Iāve never met a woman whoās-⦠a maybe we a no women rule.ā
As well as comparing Eret after his betrayal to women as he shit talks him.
[link] Tommy: āHey, Eret, let me give you a piece of my mind, youmotherfucking dipshit! YouāEret, you⦠Words cannot describe my dismay, Eret. Words cannot describe my dismay- {Fundy: āWell, they are you just swore ten timesā} And that still even doesnāt describe. I canāt believe. People like youāyou remind me of every woman Iāve ever been with. Let me tell you that much, alright? And Iāve beenāfor the record Iāve been with soo many women. Oooh my god! I swear to god Iām gonna rip your entire organs outāā
like yeah I think that goes beyond just bullying and is more so misogynistic in nature ya know. Like why are women what comes to mind when hating and cussing your frustration out to a traitor who just cost you your life? And if you have to keep clarifying that youāre not sexist then what does that say about your words/actions and how they come across and therefore their impact? Is it making fun of sexism/misogyny if you are acting out that so often?ā¦
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Noticed Punz staring at the group of Lāmanberg people in their matching skins with such longing while complimenting them and it really just reminded me of his words in the finale.
[clip] Punz: āNations tear people apart, TāTommy! They tear people apart. You have some people in the nation and you exclude others. That tears people apart also, Tommy.ā
He just wanted to play along, get a matching skin and be part of the nation too, but he was American and so he was excluded, left out of the fun, separated from his friends, forced to oppose themā¦
Itās actually pretty sad to me that c!Punz is so often portrayed as the uncaring, cold hearted, power hungry mercenary whoās only loyal to c!Dream because of payment and the book and would even carry on the plan without c!Dream, when in reality especially before things start to fall apart, c!Punz is actually one of the more wholesome people. Like helping fix c!Tommyās yard, giving c!Tubbo an additional new bee, just wanting to fish with the boys, saving c!Dreamās pickaxe, giving c!Dream replacement pants, giving c!George netherite, giving clingy duo and c!Jack resources, oh and of course we canāt forget:
And thatās just some examples of things Iāve come across and noted. I know there are plenty of other wholesome moments of c!Punz just being a good friend not some cold moneymaker. And thatās not to say c!Punz isnāt a terrible person who did human experiments, but to say that I think, just like with c!Dream, we really do his character a disservice when we base his characterization off of a handful of lore we get toward the end as if none of what came before matters...
This this ! I watch C!Punz lore VODs in my free time and I notice how they're always kind and generally pretty wholesome and nothing of the uncaring, cold-hearted, power-hungry type (but (not necessarily backed up by anything but it's just what I like to think) I feel that Punz CAN and DOES become the stone-hearted mercenary when it's necessary or he's done/tired of the world and sh#t. Although Punz can be a little aggressive/rude/quick to anger too as I've noticed, specifically when Hannah, Boomer and I think some others calmed residence in their tower and (not roos ire about this though because I only watched a bit of ti) when he was trying to convince Purpled to kill his best friend as revenrge for what he did to Dream). I remember they were polite to Boomer and Hannah when they first met them (before he found out about them taking his property) and this was RIGHT BEFORE the jail break, so it just proves he was and still is. He gave Tubbo a pet fox that Tubbo names Squeeks (which mind you they didn't even correct him on his spelling, which I think is adorable). And when Tubbo asks if he could work for Punz in exchange for some materials, Punz rejected it and just gave him Netherite or something free of charge. I've also noticed that whenever anyone needs something (like an ore or type of wood or anything) they're the first to offer to give it, for free! When George asked where to find a spruce forest, guess who answered? It's Tommy of course! I'm kidding, it's Punz
so yeah, I do agree that C!Punz was one of the more wholesome members, and I feel crazy when I don't see Punz as āuncaring, cold, unkind, nothing but a killing machineā because I feel like the only one who doesn't, so it makes me glad someone else thinks the same !
Yeah for real, it does make me feel insane because you are so right when you watch vods heās so not what most people characterize him as. Like yes he can be quick to anger if you mess with his stuff like building a bunch of fortnight structures on his property or stealing his floor. And quick to violence, if you are hurting other people, especially those he cares about cuz he is ready to defend and avenge. Heās certainly not a pacifist. But as you point out, heās not only just not cold and cruel, he doesnāt sit on the sidelines and keep to his own devices either. He is the one quick to give gifts of resources and pets not only without payment but without prompting. And as you point out he is quick to fill a need or come to someoneās aid without payment so itās just so crushing and ironic that he gets reduced to uncaring when over and over again he has been the one to careā¦
But yes, you are not crazy and not alone and may we continue to spread the Punz is wholesome campaign because he deserves so much better.
For anyone who thinks itās unreasonable to call Lāmanberg and its founding xenophobic, you should know that Wilbur was very aware of what he was doing even if fans didnāt catch it.
[link] Wilbur: āIs he (referring to Dream) going to ban me for xenophobia?ā
Tommy: āWhatās xenophobia?ā
Wilbur: āUh. To likeāuh distaste towards other countries.ā
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Noticed Punz staring at the group of Lāmanberg people in their matching skins with such longing while complimenting them and it really just reminded me of his words in the finale.
[clip] Punz: āNations tear people apart, TāTommy! They tear people apart. You have some people in the nation and you exclude others. That tears people apart also, Tommy.ā
He just wanted to play along, get a matching skin and be part of the nation too, but he was American and so he was excluded, left out of the fun, separated from his friends, forced to oppose themā¦