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hey do you guys remember when homophobes were like "umm homophobia doesn't exist i'm not AFRAID of gay people!!" and we had to explain that no that's not how latin roots work or what the word is used for. remember how annoying that was
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it's baffling how many trans people genuinely operate with a model of oppression that's fundamentally incompatible with trans men's real lived experiences
not to be like that but misgendering is still misgendering even if you think you know someone’s gender better than they do. because that’s the basis of literally all misgendering you don’t get a special pass because you’re Transing Them
not what this post is about, egg prime directive is a fuck for the very most part tho. please refer to the chart:
Perhaps you are not looking hard enough because I have met very many other intersex trans women and oh- you use TMA/TME terminology? You use agab terminology? Yeahhhh I wonder why intersex trans women by and large block you before you can talk to them.
friendly reminder more intersex people are CAFAB than CAMAB because of the way the cosmetic genital surgeries on infants work and that's a major reason "afab transfems" exist because they were "assigned" "female" "at birth" (ignoring what sort of roles they were raised in and what sort of puberty they had which of course don't perfectly match whatever happened within like a month of their birth)
not to be like that but misgendering is still misgendering even if you think you know someone’s gender better than they do. because that’s the basis of literally all misgendering you don’t get a special pass because you’re Transing Them
this post is about real irl people who can have real irl feelings about their gender unfortunately
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the egg prime directive is so crazy because like of course don't tell strangers they act like a woman/man but also if your close friend is seriously struggling and you've got a suspicion not telling them hey you could be trans is kind of an asshole move
listen i get it pisses you off but "bomb that kills all tmes" etc aren't like Oppressing A Minority yall have kinda gotta chill when women are pissed off
ppl be like being a queer weirdo outsider has Strict Rules and if you don't follow them you're normal ig
listen i've gotta say it is lowk transmisogynistic to say shit like "a trans woman being feminine is so gnc genderfuck" bc it's (??) not (??)
not to be like that but misgendering is still misgendering even if you think you know someone’s gender better than they do. because that’s the basis of literally all misgendering you don’t get a special pass because you’re Transing Them
No no, we do kinda need to be Like That because it doesn’t do anyone any good for us to copy-paste problematic behavior and pretend we’re not just because it’s “Woke™️”. Because misgendering is the tip of the iceberg of bullshit behavior I’ve seen people not deconstruct. I forget who said it, but they were absolutely right that the only reason some of yall are leftists/progressives is because your parents watched MSNBC instead of FOX.
If you 🫵 cannot recognize and respect another person’s humanity despite your personal opinions about them, you are not materially any different than the people you dislike.
this is about real people exclusively unfortunately. how you interact with fictional characters' genders does definitely reflect on you (for example people calling Kris he/him or she/her probably don't respect IRL nonbinary people) but i've gotta say specifically for Jax and Ralsei I don't think calling a character by the pronouns they would use in an ideal world is completely equivalent to telling a real person they're Actually A Man/Woman They're Just Stupid/A Coward
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I'm so sorry to tell you this, but I just saw someone make a blog specifically for trans men to talk about trans women being abusive titled "transmascvoicesproject" and with you having just put a pause in your project, I don't think this is at all a coincidence. As in yes, it's transmisogynistic, but to make it even more gross, they're probably also specifically doing it because they saw your post about pausing submissions. The tag is #transmasc voices project, incase you're interested in blocking it or anything else
you know it's always been a fear of mine that someone would copy tvp and change up the wording to create a male version and frame it as an equal counterpart, subtracting from the purpose of tvp which is to center transfem survivors... but never in my worst nightmares did I imagine they would make their project specifically about abuse from transfems and nobody else. fucking horrific
I was about to say I'm glad it's so transparently ghoulish and disingenuous that it will never get taken seriously, but well, let's fucking see lmao
this is actually disgusting. to blatantly steal an idea from a transfem without credit, the purpose of which was to help marginalized voices speak up against violence from all places, not just trans men
and to twist it into something that uplifts the already dominant voices of the trans sphere, that specifically only accepts submissions when the submitter is talking about violence from transfems.
this is so fucking transmisogynistic and it hides under the guise of uplifting survivors of sexual assault.
this was (is?) transparently a troll/psyop with the goal to make ppl more anti-transmasculine and it worked incredibly well lol
“The authors find that, following transition, a statistically significant earnings decrease is experienced by MTFs (-11%) while there are no significant changes to the earnings of FTMs.”
Geijtenbeek and Plug (2018)
“They found that there was a statistically significant decrease of -12% in earnings following MTFs transitioning from male-to-female and an insignificant increase of +7.5% for FTMs following their transition from female-to-male.”
Schilt and Wiswall (2008)
“these papers provide evidence consistent with a traditional cisgender pay gap, with ‘maleness’ enjoying an earnings premium over ‘femaleness’ in the workplace. These findings also jibe with qualitative research on FTMs experiences of transitioning while in the workplace, where they report feeling more respected and their human capital more highly valued following transition to male”
Connel (2010), Dozier (2005), Schilt (2006).
“The wider social science literature has documented greater negative feelings and prejudice against MTFs compared with FTMs, particularly by cisgender men.”
“The incomes of MTFs who begin living full-time as female at a younger age are lower than those who wait, while the incomes of FTMs who begin living full-time as male at a younger age are higher. These findings are consistent with the wider research on the differences in labour market returns experienced by cisgender men and women.”
Matthew Shannon (2022)
These are all important studies! They also all have their flaws, and some are being misrepresented within the context of this post.
For example, the Schilt and Wiswal 2008 study only consists of 18 MtF workers and 25 FtM workers. This is an incredibly small sample size that cannot be used as representative of larger trends.
In the Geijtenbeek and Plug 2018 study, they find that "FTM workers earn significantly less than other men and MTF workers earn significantly more than other women." This contradicts other wage pay studies that show trans people of all genders earn less than cis people.
Also, important to note that this study only observes, "those transsexual individuals who go through hormone replacement therapy, sex reassignment surgery, and the legal process of changing one’s administrative gender." This is absolutely not representative of trans people in general. Particuarly in a country such as The Netherlands - where this study takes place - and where medical and legal transition is more accessible than in many other countries.
Your third paragraph is a quote of a paraphrase, making it hard to determine where exactly it came from.
The Matthew Shannon 2022 study I feel is the most misrepresented within the context of this post. The quote you gave is accurate, but the same paper says, "those who were assigned female at birth have significantly lower incomes and are more likely to work part-time than those assigned male at birth." So even with the advantages gained by transitioning young for FTMs, the overall trend is still that they earn less than those assigned male at birth.
These studies do show some interesting patterns! It's undeniable that being legally male and being percieved as male in the workplace has its benefits, and that includes for some FTM workers. But the context with which you presented these studies was dishonest, making it appear as is this is a trend that applies to trans people more broadly, when in reality is applies to much more particular groups. It also leaves out the fact that trans men are still disadvantaged in comparison to cis men.
I recognized the Matthew Shannon one and remembered I had a screenshot showcasing some of the data
The weighted average yearly income of trans women in this study was $53,550 and $38,130 for trans men
Researchers found that their first hypothesis in "Cultural and Personally Endorsed Stereotypes of Transgender Men and Transgender Women: Notable Correspondence or Disjunction?" (Link)— that "the cultural stereotype of transgender women was expected to be significantly more negative than that of transgender men based on previous research[…] was not supported." Instead, they note that "transgender men were found to be subject to a more strongly negative cultural stereotype than were trans women." It also notes that there are studies that found trans women face more prejudice, while another had found no difference. The second hypothesis, the theory that participants personal endorsement of stereotypes against trans women would be stronger, was also not supported by the data. However, there is an overrepresentation of cis women in the sample (75%)
oh hey this mirrors some similar results found in the National Transgender Discrimination Survey
crunching the numbers (with a few variations; obviously since we don't have the raw data we can't 100% rely on these estimates, but there are still certain conclusions that are mathematically impossible. I just took the low and high ends of each category. the distribution might look totally different, but based on one of the tables towards the beginning that shows the full income breakdowns, it seems like every category skewed to the lower ends in a fairly even way, so I don't think this kind of estimating is going to be dramatically inaccurate. just don't take these numbers as gospel. which you shouldn't be doing anyways)
some other notable income-related parts:
not to be like that but misgendering is still misgendering even if you think you know someone’s gender better than they do. because that’s the basis of literally all misgendering you don’t get a special pass because you’re Transing Them
with all due respect this post is about real irl people not fictional goats
like i know some Discourse has occurred since they got they/themmed in the new release but for god's sake that girl is closeted asf
listen i know there's some fuckass discourse about this right now
but "pedophile" is not an accurate or useful term for "person who sexually assaults underage people" and i greatly dislike that it's used as a synonym
some of y'all's genuine idea of the queer community literally is "girls and gays" and it really kind of sucks to be Not One Of Those
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>be me >see blog with based handle >shinigami eyes highlights in red >click on handle >read bio >"transmeds fuck off" every time.
some of yall need to learn the phrases "raised as [gender]" "natal [organ]" "androgenizing/estrogenizing puberty" "androgenizing/estrogenizing HRT" "viewed as [gender]" etc because afab and amab and transmasc and transfem don't mean what a good portion of yall seem to think they do
