i feel so seen!!
(twitter thread)
Examining 'gender detachment' in the asexual community
Saving @derinthescarletpescatarian 's tags because I just like the way they are worded.
This is so cool
This is so validating because the respondents in this paper are saying some of the same things I've been feeling and thinking for years.
I'm asexual. I figured that out not long after I first came across the term in high school. But figuring out my gender took a lot longer. I didn't really think about my gender identity for years, it wasn't until I was in college that I started trying to figure out what my gender was. That process took years.
I didn't really feel attached to my assigned gender, but I also didn't feel the gender dysphoria that trans people described. I didn't particularly feel like I was neither of those either. For a long time, I honestly didn't feel like any of the gender descriptions and identities I was coming across really fit. I just didn't care that much about what my actual gender was. Eventually I decided upon the agender label as that seemed the most apt. As the paper says, it's really hard to be truly without gender in this highly gendered world. Agender is a way of defining myself in a way that people who experience gender might be able to understand when "I'm just me." isn't really an acceptable answer to the "what's your gender?" question.
I don't mind being perceived as a gender, none of them are offensive to me. While I do like when I am perceived as male or at least not female, I think that more has to do with growing up female and not wanting to be pushed into traditional female roles and values than a connection or repulsion to any gender. I'm impossible to misgender because I frankly don't care.
Honestly, the biggest problem I have with my gender, is trying to define it to people. There's been a large push in recent years for asking people for their pronouns, or including pronouns in things like email signatures and surveys. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad thing! This is very affirming for a lot of people. But it feels like I need to pick something that doesn't quite fit. At pride, for instance, there's always pronoun buttons. But they're all she/her, he/him, they/them, she/they, he/they, it/it, xe/xir, etc etc. And that's great. I'm always glad that there are a lot of options for people. But there's never any pins for any/all pronouns. I've never picked up a free pronoun pin at pride, despite always looking, because they all feel like picking what pronouns I don't want poeple to use and the answer is that I don't care. I fround an any/all pronoun pin once at a queer museum and I cried.
I really suggest you read the paper if you haven't. Not just the article, the whole paper. This is probably the most seen I've felt in a long time.
Baader-Meinhoff strikes again!
I've recently discovered the term "gender apathetic", & from looking around the tumblr tag, I've noticed that sexuality wise most ppl fall into two categories: Those that are aspec (& often full on aroace, too - like the ppl in this survey) & the second category, ppl who are bi/pan (that would be me) - I guess that just as if theres no target, it also becomes less important to mark yourself a 'valid target' for any one group if the target can be anyone, or maybe it works the other way around.
I would never have described myself as trans or even nonbinary because I don't feel an urge to change my body & to me those words imply much stronger preferences, like ppl who will be upset & suffer if they're not referred to a certain way. (in that way not so diffrent from cis ppl, definitely experience some similar suffering; I mean look at all those grifters getting rich off convincing young boys they're not "man enough") - I wouldn't wanna, like, appropriate ppl's suffering.
On the other hand I've always liked terms like "person with [body part]" or "assigned X at birth" cause that's simply been my experience, like it's just an externally imposed sorting, just everyone gets arbitrarily sorted into bangmaid and canon fodder. Might as well sort ppl by the size of their kidneys.
I thought everyone else was also just kinda playing along & no one really identifies with it until one of my sisters informed me otherwise (I've always been a loner by choice/ very unsociable person, might've also played into it.)
I mean, there's ppl like trans women who are willing to experience awful shit & risk getting hatecrimed on the street because they want to be women so badly & it seems to make such a big QoL difference to them that they can't just have drank some koolaid. Especially since when they transistion there's an observable reduction in despair similar to leaving an abusive household or being allowed to have hobbies/ things that bring joy.
But if other ppl can't be making it up that's the point where I have to conclude my experience is just differnt.
It's just dawned on me recently that I can just opt out of the social construct if i want to, like I opted out of organized religion or like quitting some social club your parents signed you up for.
The laws in my country have been changed from the only option being to get papers from 2 separate therapists to get the whole man hardware, to where you can just fill out a form & be listed at whatever you want to be (including 'something else' or having the struck alltogether) 3 months later.
i'd half seriously thought of having it done because "what business is it of the governments anyway" in hindsight thats not a thought a lot of ppl think, theyd want the government to have them listed "correctly" if only for convenience.
Anyway, you can find "All pronouns" pins on etsy, which I know cause I got one a while ago.
I'm sure the nuances of the experience are somewhat different between ace & bi/pan gender apathetics for many obvious reasons, so, I hope this lands as adding extra info of a different variant, not taking spotlight from the ace side of it.
Both guys & some lesbians (though it varies alot, can have their own complex relationships with that) are gonna want a partner who identifies with femininity to some extent. I had this one ex say something like he maybe you don't have a fully female brain or something.
The default response might be to get angry at him for having stereotypic expectations of women or whatever, but in hindsight part of me kinda felt he wasnt wrong. if he wants/needs girl then im wrong for him. i mean there were many other reasons why we broke up and me being young & stupid was probably one of them.
makes me wonder if i should go Bi4Bi to not have to deal with that awkwardness. those were some of my best experiences in hindsight.


















