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Once you start noticing how the incapacity to handle discomfort affects how people live their lives it's actually pretty shocking how it ruins pretty much every conceivable aspect of existence. Interpersonal relationships, romantic and platonic. Career and education opportunities. Your politics Your willingness to go anywhere. The kind of food you eat. The kind of art you expose yourself to and your ability to read it. It's never just one thing, it touches everything, and once you notice it it's like suddenly being able to see germs or something. Just this horrific catastrophe people look at you askance for screaming about. As I grow older and see what became of my friends and peers who could not learn to handle discomfort, the more I'm like. This is a genuine societal issue
This is fantastic, and it very much captures the essential queerness of their relationship in a way that I feel is sometimes sidelined from discussions of what's going on between them. There's a quote from George Takei about the intensity of the scenes between Kirk and Spock that sticks with me:
âfrom the perspective of gay people, seeing that is eye-opening. They see the gay passion, the gay attraction, and the gay anguish depicted in those scenes.â
I understand the desire for one of the most iconic quasi-utopias in SF/F to also be a quasi-utopia for queer people, to imagine we could just fall in love and get married and nobody would blink an eye because it's the better future. I get the desire to imagine that as the context of Kirk's and Spock's lives specifically. It's not any kind of moral affront. But it's just not what I see happening on the screen in TOS.
I see layers of repression and guilt, two men struggling to re-package their relationship into some vaguely socially acceptable box that it can never be contained in. They're always saying too much, feeling too much, doing too much, and yet the full depth of their relationship is stifled and anguished and unspeakable.
Their mutual closest friend outside of their own little binary orbit, McCoy, is continually used to distinguish Spock's or Kirk's reactions/feelings from those of a close platonic friend. McCoy is generally supportive of het romances for them, where Kirk and Spock both seethe with jealousy no matter how unreasonable it may be. McCoy prioritizes pragmatic decency where Kirk can barely explain his readiness to torpedo his career for Spock, and Spock flatly refuses to explain his motives or feelings in jeopardizing any number of people for an off-chance of saving Kirk on multiple occasions. McCoy, loyal friend to them both, can be a pushy asshole about Spock's emotional expression, but he's often used to voice a frustration with Spock's denial of his feelings in relation to Kirk, a frustration that Kirk himselfâwho spends almost the entire series aware that Spock is ashamed of loving himâcan't begin to register or articulate.
And at least half the time, Kirk and Spock seem too delighted and enthralled with each other to even realize how obvious they're being in front of other people (they seem to forget other people are even there at times). But they're also anxious about their true feelings being perceived by third parties, and keep covering up for themselves or each other (in particular, Kirkâwho can "pass" in a way Spock really doesn'tâtends to cover for Spock). Both admit at different points in TOS that they've never truly found peace or happiness. One of the most chilling S3 villains jokes about Kirk's desperate attempts to contact Spock and speculates with blatantly prurient interest about getting to see them demonstrate their feelings for each other. The series finale hinges on Spock recognizing that something is horribly wrong with "Kirk", and on the real (bodysnatched) Kirk insisting to Spock that "you are closer to the captain than anyone in the universe," which ultimately saves him.
I keep thinking of that infamous Roddenberry quote, too:
we never suggested in the seriesâphysical love between the two. But it's theâwe certainly had the feeling the affection was sufficient for that, if that were the particular style of the 23rd century.
Yes, we're free to ignore any external statements we want, but in all honesty, I feel like the taboo of their relationship, the conflict intrinsic to what it is, homosexuality not being the particular style of the 60s 23rd centuryâit's all over the screen.
This assessment is incredibly spot on. The repression is the very reason itâs so easy to see gay subtext in Kirk/Spockâs relationship and when I think about it as a show from the 60s, yes, these are two men struggling with how they feel for another man.
But since I do prefer to imagine that no one on the core Federation planets is particularly hung up on the many, varied expressions of sexuality or gender, I like to imagine the in universe explanation as both men trying to hold back their feelings for the sake of the other: Spock sees Jim falling in love every third mission and assumes Jimâs flirting with him is also casual and Jim canât recognize that the mild affection Spock expresses to him represents a tidal wave of deep love under the Vulcan veneer.
^^^ If we want to go even deeper on that, Kirk is often depicted as being caught between the warring desires to settle down somewhere or to remain a free and unattached starship captain whose only duty is to his ship and his wider community, and Spock of course is still resolving his own sense of duality between his human and Vulcan natures, and deciding whether to embrace any of his deep emotional nature or to extinguish it entirely in favor of an existence based in pure logic. Either of them introducing romantic love or sexual desire into that equation might seem like a selfish attempt to sway one's decision towards their own desires, or come across as an imposition, an unwanted intrusion against a very personal struggle.
If you want to go for a less homophobic 23rd century, you can still have an extremely repressed one!
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âSubvertingâ Catholic art? Oh, okay. I see, you think this has nothing to do with you. You log onto the internet and you post about how âWound of Christâ from Psalter and Prayer Book of Bonne de Luxembourg, attributed to Jean le Noir, c.1349, for instance, looks like a vulva because you're trying to tell the world that you enjoy Catholic art and imagery in an alternative, queer, risquĂŠ way that challenges Christian beliefs. But what you don't know is that that stigma isnât just a vulva. It's not just a mandorla. It's not just yonic. It's actually intentionally erotic. And you're also blithely unaware of the fact that around 1297, Saint Angela of Foligno experienced a vision of Christ himself, who called her to put her mouth to the wound in his side and lick the freshly flowing blood. And then I think it was Saint Catherine of Siena who drank blood and a clear liquid from the wound before receiving a ring made from Christâs foreskin? And then graphically erotic encounters with the side wound of Christ quickly showed up in the writings of eight different mystics. And then the yonic interpretation of the stigmata filtered down through the illuminated manuscripts and then trickled on down into some pseudo-intellectual corner of the internetâŚwhere you, no doubt, fished it out of some Pinterest board. However, that interpretation represents hundreds of years and countless visions of religious ecstasy. And it's sort of comical how you think that you've come up with an idea that exempts you from Christian theology when, in factâŚyou're posting an image that was sexualized for you by the very Medieval saints you think youâre so different thanâŚfrom âsubvertedâ Catholic art.
