it’s not fucking cute for dream apologists to “imply” that people directly acknowledging what happened in the story are being creepy or unsettling while refusing to acknowledge how that reflects on c!dream as a person.
is it creepy and unsettling for a grown man to be obsessed with a teenager? is it? okay, then tell me why dream was making tunnels to connect their houses, hiding in his walls, actively stalking him, to the point that other characters Noticed and Commented on it back during the original Disc Wars before l’manberg.
tell me why dream singled tommy out when he declared war on l’manberg, addressing tommy first and associating l’manberg itself with being childish, when Wilbur was the president. why dream specifically Chose to kill tommy in the final control room Instead Of Wilbur (the chests were labeled, he had Punz kill wilbur, he went for tommy intentionally). tell me why he accepted the duel for l’manberg’s freedom when he’d already won, tell me why he accepted the trade for the discs when he’d won the war And the duel.
tell me why he messaged tommy and Only tommy when he and wilbur were exiled asking if he was okay, tell me why he delivered tommy a chest of supplies and left a handwritten note sucking up to him about how great l’manberg was to convince tommy that he was on his side and was his friend when we knew from his own mouth that he never respected l’manberg’s freedom or it’s status as a nation at all. tell me why he happily betrayed his long time friend’s trust to help tommy in a petty war, giving tommy access to mars when he hadn’t even asked for it and fighting in the war with him after he’d Explicitly said that he couldn’t risk people seeing him openly partner with pogtopia in the note he’d left for tommy. tell me why he denied ever being on tommy’s side in front of other people when he switched to join schlatt in exchange for the revival book, but he Happily helped tommy get supplies days before the war that he was fighting Against tommy when tommy was alone. tell me why he made eye contact with tommy and Laughed when tommy turned down the presidency because he had unfinished business.
tell me why on the 18th, Two Days after wilbur’s death when dream Already Had the revival book, dream spent an hour Actively trying to frame tommy for griefs all over the server Specifically With The Intention of getting people to confront tommy over it. [Link] and when that failed to get the results that he wanted he took control over the situation when tommy griefed george’s house (none of it coming to even a Fraction of what dream had done trying to frame him) when george himself didn’t even know what dream was trying to do. why dream made an entire Speech about Control Over Tommy being the literal Only Thing that he wants or cares about. tell me why he sought out control over tommy Over keeping his long time friends that he’d known longer when tommy Was Intentionally Staying Out Of The Way. when tommy had rejected presidency And vice presidency. why he prioritized Tommy over any of the Actual cabinet members.
tell me why he lead tommy to a specific location and told him that he had to stay there or he’d die. tell me why he told tommy that he wasn’t allowed anywhere that civilization had been touched when the rules of his exile should By Law only include l’manberg and greater smp (meaning the badlands, manifoldland, techno’s cabin, mexican l’manberg/el rapids, hell even little penis island All should’ve been fair game for tommy to go to (sidenote: au where tommy moved into little penis island during exile. I don’t think it would’ve been better but it would’ve been funnier)). tell me why he was watching tommy, why he was visiting him every day, why he was creating arbitrary rules that he was forcing tommy to follow at the threat and Action Of physical abuse when absolutely None of that was discussed in court and no one was there to see what he was doing to tommy.
tell me why he told sam he wasn’t Allowed to follow them because he wasn’t allowed to know where tommy’s exile location was when sam wanted to give tommy pie. tell me why he intercepted and destroyed the mail that ranboo left for tommy Multiple Times, with ranboo having to change the location of where he kept them in fear of dream stopping communication again. tell me why badboyhalo seemed Scared to be caught visiting tommy, why he felt the need to hide that he was giving tommy presents for fear of what dream would do to him. tell me why dream Lied to tubbo when tubbo asked about tommy, when he told tubbo that tommy didn’t want any visitors to stop him from seeing tommy. tell me why he Straight Up Murdered mexican dream when md said he was going to move in to logstedshire, why the thought of tommy having permanent company that wasn’t his lead dream to taking three canon lives and sending someone to limbo.
tell me why he went out of his way to convince tommy that nobody else cared about him, that he was the only friend that tommy had and that maybe that was Always true. why he told tommy about how much better everyone was doing when he was gone, why he lied to tommy when he asked if tubbo had asked about him, why he encouraged people engage in the physical abuse he’d been doing with tommy and Laughing about it. tell me why he allowed tommy to throw a party specifically the goal of sabotaging the invitations so only he comes, why he took the opportunity to send ghostbur to melt in the snow so tommy wouldn’t even have the ghost of his dead brother as company. tell me why he specifically lied about handing tubbo the invitation on purpose so tommy would Know that tubbo chose not to come rather than it being an accident, tell me why he lied about tubbo intentionally destroying his “your tommy” compass so tommy would well and truly believe that tubbo hated him. tell me why he said “it’s not like they want you anyways” verbatim.
tell me why he actively tried to convince tommy that he was his friend while he was isolating and abusing him. why he presented himself as a savior figure at the party and spent the night giving him gifts and playing with him after so thoroughly convincing tommy that nobody loved him. tell me why he was telling tommy that he didn’t hate him while he was hauling him out of l’manberg, why he lied about having destroyed his things the second time he did while insisting that they were Friends. tell me why he tried to Convince tommy that they were having fun even while he was hitting tommy every day, even while he Openly knew that tommy was suicidal.
tell me why he physically abused tommy, mentally abused tommy, emotionally abused tommy, why he gaslit him, why he isolated him, why he stole his things and made him helpless so he’d be Dependent on him. tell me why he kept tommy in a death grip when tommy had already been stripped of everything and had no one else to rely on.
tell me why he reacted the way that he did when he found the chests. tell me why he destroyed everything tommy had, why he killed tommy’s only food source, why he destroyed tommy’s nether portal, why he told tommy he wasn’t allowed to have any more visitors at all, why he told tommy he had to start over again, why he told tommy that he would Never kill himself, all over a couple of chests that we Never see him say tommy wasn’t allowed to have on screen. tell me why when he visited punz that day he said he’d be checking back soon because he Knew how far he was pushing tommy, how he nearly said that he wanted to make sure that tommy was still under his control but backed out when he realized what he was about to let slip.
tell me why he hunted tommy down when he ran away, going to techno’s house Twice and confronting them at the portal. tell me why he was so invested in getting the other disc in the first place when he’d Fully said that the only value he had in them was as tools to control tommy. tell me why he kept l’manberg around after the end of the manberg v pogtopia arc SOLELY because tubbo had one of the discs in his enderchest and dream knew he had to manipulate tubbo to get it.
tell me why he declared doomsday after he got his hands on the discs. tell me why the confrontation on top of the obsidian grid happened. tell me why there was Zero hesitation when he told tommy that he hurt l’manberg instead of just burning the discs because it was more Fun that way (confirming that it Was a way to punish tommy). tell me why he told tommy that their story was never going to be over while he had possession of the revival book and while his prison was being completed.
tell me why he built a shrine of Gold in his attachments museum for the discs. tell me why he bothered keeping attachments of tommy’s in the attachments museum when he fully intended on getting tommy out of the way. tell me why dream said in Explicit Words that tommy was the most important person on the server, that he brought attachment to the server, that he brought chaos to the server, that he was the Key to controlling the entire server. tell me why he elevated tommy’s importance to justify Keeping Him Forever, in those Exact Explicit Words, in pandora’s vault with the use of the revival book. tell me why he Specifically told tommy to bring tubbo to the disc war finally Just so he could kill tubbo in front of tommy when tubbo wasn’t “useful” anymore, despite the fact that he had a whole ass prison with multiple cells that he could’ve kept tubbo in. despite the fact that he had no problem throwing skeppy into the attachments museum. tell me what connor does for dream that tubbo apparently can’t do to justify why tubbo had to die over anyone else that wasn’t immediately “useful.” tell me that it has nothing to do with his desire for control over tommy.
tell me why when he was surrounded and tommy was threatening him he didn’t Start with the revival book, he started by saying that tommy wouldn’t kill him for the same reason that he wouldn’t kill tommy, because they’re Friends because they’re Important to each other. tell me why when tommy asked he said that they had fun together in exile and with the wars. tell me why he was Genuinely shocked when this didn’t work, why he Genuinely thought that tommy was as invested in him as he was tommy. tell me why he gave up power and freedom for tommy’s life, why tommy threatening to kill himself made dream give himself up.
tell me why when tommy asked dream what he missed in the prison dream listed tommy Separately from his friends and his stuff, not a person but a possession. tell me why he talked about tommy and ONLY tommy in between visitors, tell me why he described what he did to tommy in exile to sam (why he described abusing a teenager). tell me why he wouldn’t so much as talk to sapnap during his visit but he was back to being damn near cheerful for tommy’s second visit (the next visit after).
tell me why it was HEAVILY implied that dream used the enderwalk state to get ranboo to trap tommy in the prison with him. tell me why he insisted to tommy that they were going to have fun, that they were going to bond, that it was going to be Like Exile. tell me why he insisted that exile was Fun to tommy As he was having a mental breakdown. tell me why he only killed tommy to make a point, tell me why he killed tommy when he was afraid of losing the control he had over him.
tell me why he immediately decided that they were going to be together Forever as immortals once he realized the book was real. tell me why he would say that.
and again, tell me why one of the first things he did during quackity’s first visit was ask him if people thought him killing tommy was “cool.” tell me why one of the first things he did when we saw him alone with technoblade was ask about tommy, tell me why he asked about tommy Multiple Times.
it is not in question whether or not dream wanted to lock tommy away forever and keep him alive with the revive book for all eternity, because he Explicitly Tried To Do That On Screen first during the disc war finale and Second when he killed and revived him. that’s what happened, that’s what he said he wanted to do and almost did do. the question is whether that was his plan from the very beginning or whether he isolated and abused tommy for the sake of it and came up with the rest of it later.
is that weird? do you think it’s Weird that he did that and that he wanted that? then what are you doing defending him? what are you doing Denying that he did these things when they happened on screen?
you’re ignorant and in denial and you’re not going to make that my problem. if you can’t handle that dream horrifically abused and obsessed over a teenager then this isn’t the media for you and you should find something else to invest your time in rather than trying to sanitize and erase it.
Now this conversation is over.