the cotton gaslight

sorry for long post but I found it!!!

it just makes me feel crazy that they will deny that anyone has ever perpetuated this cotton ceiling rhetoric when they make posts like this acting like a woman's lack of attraction to them is a problem to be solved. It doesn't matter why a woman doesn't want to fuck you!!! Coming at her like it's some type of debate and trying to convince her that she's a bad person for not having sex with you is sex pest behavior!!!

Here's another one I found while looking for this one where the same user reblogged that conflates allyship with dating and hookups. Maybe that's why women don't want to be your allies anymore!!!!!!

And here's another one where they're just for real just lying and saying we're the ones who are loudly announcing totally unprompted that we don't want to fuck you!!! No!!! You people will pester us about whether or not we'd theoretically fuck you and then you call us hysterical terfs if we say no!!!! Or you'll hear some random women you don't even know mention that she's only into vagina and you'll take that as a personal attack for some reason because you feel completely fucking entitled to a random woman's body!!!!!

like it reminds me of the scenario in this comic where this person gets offended that a female celebrity that doesn't know they exist would not theoretically fuck them. Like you realize that's a completely normal situation for lesbians since most female celebrities being straight??? who the fuck caresssssssss

“How to negotiate consent for the most amount of pleasure”

Tweets/FB comments from organizers leading up to, and after, the event:

Statement from Planned Parenthood Toronto, after they received a ton of criticism and negative feedback for hosting the event:

You can’t force yourself to be attracted to penises, anon. Just make sure that when you’re talking about trans people, you don’t equate them with their genitalia - for example, by saying, “I would never date a trans woman, because I don’t like penises.” Equating trans people with their genitals is wrong because 1) it perpetuates the cultural fixation on our body parts, and this contributes to anti-trans violence; and 2) you don’t know what a person’s genitals are until you ask. Some trans women have penises; some don’t. That’s why it’s transphobic to say that you just aren’t attracted to trans women - because it’s making a blanket assumption about an oppressed group of people. 

Anon, if you see a woman on the bus who you’re attracted to, you can’t know for sure what genitalia she actually has, and your attraction to her won’t (or at least shouldn’t) become completely void if you get to know her and she tells you she has a penis. If you were attracted to her face when you were first attracted to her, she still has the same face that she had before you knew what her genitals were, so it wouldn’t make sense for you to suddenly have no attraction to her face. The same goes for any other aspect of a person that you might be attracted to, including personality, which is super important. 

Essentially, genitals do not define a person, so you can be attracted to a person without being attracted to their genitals. There are so many aspects to every human being (even physical aspects) that have nothing to do with what genitals they have. You can date trans women - even trans women who haven’t gotten genital surgery - and not be attracted to penises. And you won’t be forced to interact with their genitals unless you actually want to.

This is coming from a lesbian who is currently dating a trans woman and has dated a couple others in the past, and is repulsed by penises. None of the trans women I’ve dated have forced me to interact with their genitals in any way, and it’s common for trans women not to even want their sexual partners to interact with their genitals in any way. The first person I had sex with was a trans girl, and she interacted with my genitals, but I never interacted directly with hers. My current (long-distance) girlfriend and I have shared orgasms through skype and she’s seen my genitals, but I haven’t seen hers.*

That being said, I do want to give the anon some tips related to the question they were actually asking, based on my own experience of being in the process of trying to warm myself up to the genitals of trans girlfriends (past and present). If you’re not currently either dating a trans woman or wanting to date a specific trans woman you’re attracted to, then you don’t have to worry about this, and you should follow Mars’s advice of just not trying to be attracted to penises (since you aren’t and that’s ok). If you are dating a trans woman and want to pleasure her but aren’t attracted to her genitals, here are some tips (for cis women, but if you’re a cis man or transmasculine person a lot of these can apply as well):

1. Don’t think of it as a penis. Many trans women (who haven’t gotten genital surgery) actually think of their own genitals as a vulva, with the “penis” actually being a clit and the “scrotum” actually being labia. It’s is pretty accurate considering that this was literally true even by cissexist biological essentiallist standards while she was in the womb, and that having been on HRT for even just a few weeks, trans women’s genitals actually behave more like cis women’s clits than cis men’s penises. So it’s a clit, not a penis. (It’s actually really important when talking about trans women’s genitals to not refer to them universally as penises even when just talking about trans women who haven’t had genital surgery, because for some trans women, referring to their genitals as a “penis” can invoke extreme dysphoria.) It’s also worth nothing that trans men’s genitals start behaving more like cis men’s penises than cis women’s clitorises after they’ve been on HRT for a while, so if you’re with a trans man and feel weird about his genitals, you can think of his “clit” as a cock.

2. Make sure your girlfriend knows you’re attracted to her, even if you’re not attracted to her genitals. Think her face and overall appearance is beautiful? Tell her that. Think she looks sexy when she’s wearing lingerie for you? Tell her that. Think her face looks sexy when she’s receiving some sort of sexual pleasure (like nipple stimulation, or masturbation while you’re on top of her and looking at her face)? Tell her she looks sexy. As I said before, there are so many aspects (even physical ones) of a person that can be beautiful even if that person’s genitals aren’t. Make sure your girlfriend knows that you really do find her attractive, physically as well as mentally and emotionally.

*3. Take your time. I’d advise touching before seeing, and touching through clothing before under clothing. Rubbing your crotch against hers while both fully clothed, or both in just underwear, can be really wonderful (I’ve only done it fully clothed so far with an ex). While rubbing, just think about how good it feels for you (and her), instead of thinking about what you’re rubbing your clit against. Months later with the same ex, I finally felt ready to feel her crotch with my hands, but not go under her underwear. She told me informatively when I inquired about it that she probably wouldn’t be able to orgasm unless I went under her underwear, but she didn’t force or coerce me into doing it, and it probably would have been another couple months before I would have felt ready (even though at that point in our relationship she had become extremely good at fingering me, and she’d also eaten me out). If your girlfriend coerces (or forces) you to do anything you don’t want to do, or shows you her genitals before you say you’re ready to see them, that’s bad, but most trans girls are decent human beings who wouldn’t do that to someone they care about. With my current long-distance girlfriend, I actually once did ask if I could see her genitals, and we decided the best way to do it was to have her take photos and e-mail them to me so I would be in total control of whether, and for how long, I would see them. She reminded me plenty of times that I did not have to open the e-mail if I did not want to, and I could even delete it. I did end up being able to muster the confidence to open the e-mail, but I only looked at two of the six or so photos, and I could only look at them for a second or less due to the repulsion I still feel towards genitals like hers. I might try looking at it again sometime and seeing if I can look at any of the photos for longer, or I might just go with the touching-through-clothing-first strategy after she arrives here (btw you can help us out with that). Small steps are still steps that you should feel proud of yourself for, and even effort is something you should feel proud of yourself for with regards to warming up to something that you naturally feel repulsed about. (Btw anon, this includes the meditation and hynosis that you’ve tried.) It can take months or even years, and that’s okay. It’s also worth noting that you might never actually fully feel ready to interact with her genitals, and your repulsion might not fully go away. It’s perfectly legitimate to decide to just pleasure her even though you feel uncomfortable doing it because of her genitals (as long as it’s a non-coerced decision that you made), and it’s also perfectly okay to go through your relationship without ever interacting with her genitals unless she gets genital surgery. (If you do the latter you might want to talk to her about maybe having some sort of poly-relationship where someone else will give her the pleasure she craves, and it would also be perfectly legitimate for her to decide to break up with you if she wants a monogamous relationship where her partner gives her genital stimulation. As stated before, however, some trans women don’t actually want to receive any genital stimulation from sexual partners, so it could easily work out if you’re dating one with that preference.) It’s also worth mentioning that just like how it wouldn’t be okay for her to force or coerce you to see or touch her genitals, it’s not ok for you to force or coerce her into getting genital surgery if she’s not absolutely and independently sure that she wants it. (As a side note to that, stating a preference is not the same as coercion. Both of my trans exes as well as my current girlfriend have told me that they would like for me to touch their genitals, but none of them have coerced me into doing it. They all made it clear that whether-or-not I do it is entirely up to me.)

4. There are plenty of non-traditional ways you can have sex and interact with her genitals. Here’s one. Here’s another (and here’s a slightly more descriptive guide to it). That last link was from a whole zine (written by trans women) called “Fucking Trans Women”, which is available online for $5. Also, here are some suggestions for pleasuring her even if you’re not comfortable with touching her genitals at all. Basically, sex with your trans girlfriend does not have to be like sex with a cis guy in any way, even if you give her genital stimulation.

When a lesbian comes to you saying “I want to like dicks to be a better person” the correct answer is “you don’t have to ever like dicks to be a good person. Only date who you’re attracted to and never apologize for yourself”.

You do both realize you’re literally advocating for grooming of lesbians to like dick, right?

Do you not see how fundamentally disgusting and wrong that is?

Listen to what the radfems are saying in this post, please.

I’m a transwoman and also telling you that under no circumstances should you ever feel like you need to like penises or date transwomen. If a transwoman calls you transphobic for it, they’re WRONG, it’s not transphobic. You’re not doing anything wrong or evil by not like penises or transwomen.

If a transwoman tries to get you to change your mind on that, get away from them as fast as possible and do not trust them.

Please stop promoting corrective rape and that lesbians should like penis and transwomen.

If transwomen also can’t accept no then that is another reason to get away from them quickly.

Want to know why lesbians go from trans allies to what you assholes call “terfs”, I mean aside from being unable to keep ignoring the male pattern behaviors and violence, it’s this. This is usually the first crack in the advocacy. The demand that lesbians be opposite sex attracted for the sake of non-women. It’s the refusal to listen to usmwhen we say no. It’s the refusal to respect same sex attraction. It’s the demand that lesbians be open to the male sex and be used as sexual validation tools for their egos. It’s the conversion rape rhetoric.

This lesbian hating conversion rapist peddling OP still thinks after 3-4 years that any lesbian who dares not agree with homophobic rape is a “terf”, because it’s more important to dehumanize and mark for violence a group you hate then actually do any work to become a less subhuman bigot. It’s more important to be a pimp for transwomen than ensure the mental and physical health of their victims.

So right for... Being a rapey homophobic male who tries to shame lesbians into sleeping with him/his male buddies. Classic.

Let's see what people are saying in the reblogs, shall we?

From OP’s blog:

These people want to correctively rape lesbians through guilt and shame, making them think having sex with males (who they are not sexually attracted to) is proof of their allyship to a marginalized group.

Lesbians: you never have to sleep with males. You never have to be physically intimate with males in any way. You never have to consider dating males. You don't owe males romance, dates, sex, affection, anything. You don't have to explain yourself or provide reasons or try to "fix" the fact that you are not attracted to males.

Homosexuality is natural, innate, and exclusive of the opposite sex by definition.

Now that she had been branded people delved back for anything they could find to vilify her and found a gay sketch comedy show from ten years ago where she played a boy who wants a vagina. Keep in mind this show also had a skit where a straight man became gay under the light of the full moon so I’m thinking it was perhaps meant to be just a bit absurdist.