Oh my gosh! This story has reached its end! Gosh it was such a ride but here it is! This emotional roller-coaster has come to an end! Until the next time that is! Hahaha
And for those who didn't see it coming so far yes finally the title of the fic makes sense to its totality. Because it was indeed never just for Menelaus! But for the tiny baby Mehapenthes too!
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Menelaus finally departs…and yet the departure is being also preceded by other departures and arrivals..
Menelaus trains to build his strength is given in parallels with the fact that the horses need to be prepared for battle. Horses get easily agitated by loud noises or flashes so it is natural that war horses need special preparation to face the battlefield
Menelaus probably needed nothing else but to take revenge on Paris, unfortunately for him, in most versions of the myths around the Trojan War, he never gets to do it
We probably expect large scale construction projects have quite a few accidents along the way that might cause delay, archeological examples we have come for instance from the pyramids in Egypt where we find workers actually given burials to the are for their contribution.
Payment in bronze age happened through exchange rather than coinage, hence Menelaus offering compensation to grain and not in some coin. Metal was probably used as a method of payment and measuring value but usually not used for everyday transactions.
When Menelaus mentions "public physician" is based on some archeological fragmentary evidence in linear b tablets we have the titles of "healers" in antiquity -me-no-i-ja-te seems to be the second half of a longer term that includes the word i-ja-te was the term used aka "healer" that also gives the later and modern Greek word ιατρός or γιατρός aka "doctor". There is also an interesting addition to the term, if we considered the lost first half, because of the term ke-ke-me-no which stands for "public property" so I have read the theorizing of the term ke-ke-me-no-i-ja-te which could stand for "public doctor".
In ancient times seems more common for women to give birth either crouching, kneeling or standing while holding onto something even if we do have art evidence that lying down also happened for instance in ancient Rome. I decided to use a combination of these in my fic so I have Pieris initially giving birth kneeling or holding onto something and then made lie down because she grew tired
For those who got the signs from my previous chapter, Pieris was probably suffering from pre-eclampsia and died from eclampsia. This condition is not frequent but is very rapid. Happens mostly due to high blood pressure to mothers and often occurs to very young or very old mothers.
Menelaus seems to be determined to be as cruel as he can be. That was inspired by his stance during the events of Aulis when Iphigenia needed to be sacrificed at least according to Euripides and sources based on him, he was one of the most vocal in favor. However he soon realizes that is not how he wants things to be as he bends under the sorrow of his brother. The same cycle of violence and mercy will continue in Menelaus's life till the peak that is the attempt of execution of his wife and her eventual forgiveness.
The words attributed to Nestor are from a fragment of the lost poem Cypria believing to be some event where Menelaus was in Pylos and was interacting with Nestor who seemingly soothes his pain through their talking.
His goodbye with his daughter was heavily inspired by this Greek song
The lullaby that Pieris sings to Menelaus is in reality a more modern Greek song named "Picus the little bear" and I paraphrase it a bit. It is a very sad song which I thought fitted Pieris (plus as you know the word "xanthos" that I translate as "blonde" often used to describe the red hair of Menelaus too) also the singer Πόπη Αστεριάδη (Popi Asteriadi) was a big inspiration for Pieris's looks as well as voice
The plants for Menelaus's wreath are inspired by sacred plants for these gods I mention. Hera except from her protective nature for Greece we also see her as the protector of marriage and so in one way to support Menelaus to his trip towards the war against those who insulted the marital laws.
This story has gained a beautiful illustration by my friend @midnightproser on tumblr one can see here
I want to separately deeply thank @sua-moonbow and @midnightproser who have been with me throughout the process of this fic, never missing a chapter and showering me with their precious thoughts and amazing comments, never missing a detail!
They were the greatest thing that happened to my fics the past months and I thank them both deeply for it
Also special thanks to @midnightproser for being the one to actively get inspired by my fics to create artwork of them, especially the beautiful illustration based on the spirit of the story:
💬 10 🔁 3 ❤️ 18 · "Great Sorrow" Fan Art Design Cover · A rough sketch for a design cover of @katerinaaqu's story, "Great Sorrow." I feel l
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A rough sketch for a design cover of @katerinaaqu's story, "Great Sorrow." I feel like doing illustrations while I wait for the next chapter. And because I got bored. Can you guess these references?
If I come up with established designs for characters, settings, do some research, and find good sources I might do more fan art for this story. Maybe even draw some comics. What do you think?
This is not the Penelope the poets told you about.
They softened her.
They sanctified her.
They carved her into a the image of a woman that suited them best.
My Penelope is not modest.
She is precise.
She is disciplined.
She is a daughter of Sparta, raised in a world where silence can wound sharper than a blade.
She does not appear only to wait for Odysseus
They find each other long before war claims him.
Two brilliant minds circling, calculating, colliding. Cohesive.
She is not a player on suitors stage
She is the playwright of her own.
The loom is not her cage
it is the language she speaks loudest
And Odysseus?
He is drawn to her from the beginning.
This is the story before the war.
Before the lies.
Before the poets.
This is Penelope as she always was:
clever, dangerous, divine-touched, and utterly unforgettable.
Achilles's Fighting style and why it was so unique and ferocious (A headcanon/analysis)
Seriously I remember talking in the past about how Achilles has something of non-human about him more likely linked to nature and beastly behavior even his purity being almost what you would see to animals than humans.
He was trained to be as pure as nature itself
And the same ruthless if he had to
Achilles's education seems to be separated to two things; his mental and his physical strength:
The mental and spiritual depth seems to be nourished clearly with human ideals and values to their idealistic degree. He is being taught nobility of spirit and true honor in life and how he needs to fight in a straightforward way while learning all other arts such as music and singing to settle down the soul and balance it to the physical activity.
However his physical training is a different story
Focused on speed, stealth and power, Achilles no doubt had trained to every occasion that one needed to know (so also to gain the title of "The Best of Greeks" in the process). Chiron having trained him for every technique from early childhood and even encouraging him to have the natural world around him as a guidance and in future sources Achilles even was to take in the speed and strength of wild animals like lions and hunted in nature.
This actually leads me to believe that Achilles developed his battle style through moves and aspects of animal nature.
Through observation to the natural world around him; he would observe animal movements as he hunted; boars, lions or wolves as they hunt, fish as they swim in the river, deer, goats and others as they run and balance themselves on the rocks, snakes on the speed of their bite.
Through observation he would add animal movements to his fighting style;
He would thrust his spear fast like a snake striking
He would move his shield with the circular movement of a boar striking
He would run to an opponent like a lion striking its pray
He would run with the light speed of a horse or a deer
He would sharply turn his head around in battle like hares would check their environment while they make an open field traverse
He would slither in the water like fish ride the stream
He would glide like the birds of prey he observes overhead
Every single one of the known battle techniques he was taught he would enrich with movements of animals he saw in nature. Even the way he reserves breath in battle or how he releases battle cries and roars or hisses he would be inspired by lions or snakes.
All this animalistic behavior would of course be manifested (in a bad way) when he is furious and lost in his anger (see my other random post that I got inspired by an Avatar scene)
I think this is the reason why Achilles was so unique in his battle techniques but also his whole presence at war; because he invoked his own battle style the movements of animals and creatures of nature or even natural phenomena around him like movements of the wind and others. His eyes also trained in nature far more efficiently than the average warrior training at training fields.
The perfect combination of nature and humanity; animals and humans that no one ever could learn how to properly face! That is only till later when this balance crumbles under his fury that people see the depth of his that he had before and how it was now reduced in his fury but also became deadlier
I know this is more a series of headcanons more than actually proven data (apart from those mentioned) but it makes so much sense in my head! And honestly I think Achilles was definitely shaped by nature around him and that potential should not be thrown away!
I also want to thank @pelideswhore for reminding me of this idea that I wanted to post for weeks now with this latest post
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I’d love to know what you think Agamemnon’s relationship with each of his daughters individually was like! Like, how you think his dynamic would have been different with Iphigenia vs Electra vs Chrysothemis
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Oh that is such an interesting question! So let's see based on what I have seen on some children's behavior here's something I have come in mind with (by the way have also more or less hinted some to my story's chapter)
💬 45 🔁 3 ❤️ 13 · The dynamic of Clytemnestra and Menelaus in this chapter, of course a bit inspired by the LEGENDARY Irene Papas and Kosta
So let me open up a bit more because I am very itchy to talk about papa-Agamemnon because damn well he deserves it!!!!!!!
Iphigenia
I think in one way Iphigenia is his "favorite" child in essence that she is his first child, the first time he felt how it is to be a father for real (yes I do think he is a father figure to Menelaus and his sister). This blessing that came to his life is translated with his unconditional love for his daughter. In fact that love is transferred to Iphigenia herself. Clytemnestra herself in Euripides says:
Clytemnestra:
My child, but of course you must: for of all the children I have given birth to, you always loved your father the most.
(Translation by me)
In "Iphigenia in Aulis" we see the amazing dynamic of the family in one simple scene; Iphigenia sees her father and asks permission from Clytemnestra to rush and hug her father and asks her mother not to get mad at her for wishing to do so. Somehow it gives me an "antagonizing" vibe. Both Clytemnestra and Agamemnon love their eldest daughter overly much and somehow "antagonize" who loves her best. In one way of course.
Iphigenia though seems to be papa's girl in every shape or form for asks her mother if it is okay to rush to her father and asks for her "not to get mad" because somehow she fears that her over-love of her father (φιλοπάτωρ...μάλιστα) hurts her mother's feelings. In one way Clytemnestra confirms it since she almost hides some "bitterness" for she needs to point out that Iphigenia prefers her father in one essence.
Agamemnon seems to have Iphigenia as his precious little princess and somehow Iphigenia gives me some essence of "spoilt not rotten". Iphigenia seems to be asking stuff from her father which she seems to be comfortable enough to do so and also shows that Agamemnon is an active parent in her life.
Part of the tragedy for the sacrifice of Iphigenia was exactly the strong love that Agamemnon had for her.
Electra/Laodice
Now Electra too seems to be vert attached to her father and how strongly she leads the whole vengeance thing in his name. She goes as far as to see for instance in Sophocles how she is being abused or made to wear old clothes in her home or being denied meals which shows how great love she has to him
That to me is also another indicator how loving Agamemnon was to her. However it also gives me slight hints of veeeeeeery faint jealousy of Electra towards her older sister. She might as well have felt that Iphigenia monopolized their father's love so in one way she might as well antagonize with her who can make Agamemnon more proud. In one way if Iphigenia creates a beautiful flower on a piece of cloth, Electra will try to make two.
Agamemnon definitely loves Electra very much. In one way I can imagine Electra was the most dynamic girl. In one way he almost treated her like "the son he never had" in one aspect. Electra could be that girl that has all the dynamism one could hope for a son while not being one. I can imagine Agamemnon sometimes nicknaming her "warrior" or something of that sort (with her name also being intitially "Laodice" in my mind which means "Judgement of people" and an attempt to "soften" it given a nickname like "Electra", as you see from my fic ^_^)
I am not saying that Electra is tomboyish or that Agamemnon treats her as such is just that her own strength is something that Agamemnon appreciates. He also sometimes treats her in the way that sometimes we Greeks say:
"I am not afraid for you"
aka you have full confidence on someone finding a way themselves and have the strength to do stuff themselves. That sometimes can be annoying to someone that feel overwhelmed by the expectations. I kinda see a similar aspect here. That Agamemnon definitely loves and pampers her but also he sees her inherently stronger than Iphigenia and so he turns some more attention to Iphigenia instead.
Electra wears her independence and strength like a badge with pride but sometimes she feels like she has to prove herself by the day. That also means she gets so much love from her father (just in a different way) that she might have her own antagonistic relationship with her mother. This antagonism was of course very much positive till the whole Iphigenia incident happened.
Electra saw her entire family being plundered by sorrow because of the loss of her sister and their mother start doing everything she does in her house to make her hate her father that she loves so much. She retaliates! The strength that her father believed she had was all channeled upon fighting back the whole drilling of thoughts her mother tried to make her have and also on fighting against Aegusthus, which leads to her own punishment especially when she also assists Orestes to escape.
Chrysothemis
I think Chrysothemis is definitely a mama's girl. Agamemnon is definitely loving to her but is also that Chrysothemis arguably lived the greatest part of her conscious life with her mother so she formed a much stronger bond with her than Agamemnon. I think Agamemnon loved Chrysothemis very very much like he did with all his daughters but maybe just maybe there was a certain worry or half-disappointment in the air at that stage that maybe he wouldn't have a male heir after all. I am not saying he takes that out on Chrysothemis, on the contrary, it is just that at that stage there is a high chance that Agamemnon might as well grow weary or even impatient that maybe they will have to find another solution on the heir of the kingdom (especially since Menelaus as well failed to produce a son from his own end)
Chrysothemis being very young at that stage she would perhaps be more associated with her mother than her father while also the older girls were probably already talked about getting betrothed or married, Chrysothemis was monopolizing her mother's attention for some time.
Also when the heir was born it was all a new thing for her so as the youngest daughter, too young of age to be married, the last in line of daughters, might as well remain more to her mother's care than her father's. She would probably also be taken care of by some nurse while Clytemnestra herself nurses her baby son. When the war errupted Chrysothemis was still barely of conscious age I would expect or barely in it anyways (ranging somewhere between 7-10 years old maybe) so when her father departs for war, her memories of him were rather scarce anyways.
Bonus: Orestes
Orestes is of course the little miracle, finally a male heir after three daughters. Needless to say that Agamemnon was ecstatic and potentially dedicated all his love to him at that stage especially given that his daughters seemed already old enough not to need babying at that stage. Especially in some myths were the king of Mysia Telephus grabbed baby Orestes and held him hostage till Achilles was brought to him to heal him
I bet Agamemnon and even Clytemnestra might have grown overly protective of their only heir. I mean not only did babies oftentimes die very early so to keep him alive till the risky time was over was essential, but also the incident that in some versions befalls him, would be plenty of reason why the two of them would be scared to death for his safety.
However the tragedy is that Orestes would be the one with the least memory of his father overall if we assume he was no older than 5 years of age when Agamemnon departed, but also has not the most positive memories of his mother either given the situation.
So Electra wind him up to kill the mother that once loved him and turned against him, to avenge a father that he didn't remember for a kingdom that unfortunately exiled him de-facto when no person opposed Aegisthus and Clytemnestra ruling in such a manner.
I hope any of this makes sense, dear Anon and I hope you find it interesting! ^_^
Overall I think Agamemnon is undoubtedly a girldad! Hahaha he loves all his girls equally and incredibly much! However as they say the first child is always special and Iphigenia's sweeter nature I think draws such a great immense love from him, Electra's strength of character gives her in one way the essence of her being his strength, his avenger, his little warrior and Chrysothemis unfortunately happened to be born the wrong time to remember the affection of her father as much as her older siblings plus in one way she was yet another girl in a family that needed an heir so that might have an effect to the overall atmosphere rather than Agamemnon's love per se if that makes any sense
More scenes from the 1977 film, "Iphigenia." This is when Iphigenia is about to head to the altar, but Achilles comes to assure he'll be there for her.
A sweet moment that shows Iphigenia's courage to honor her sacrifice for a noble cause. Who knows what kind of relationship Achilles and Iphigenia might have under a different circumstance.
Design notes and references:
Achilles' armor is based on Dimitrios Katsikis' recreation of Thorax (A Version), or the first set of armor.
During the events at Aulis, I imagine Achilles is close to 20 years old when he's old enough to be suited for marriage.
His hair is based on his statues. I didn't have a specific hairstyle for him at that time, but I want to see him with wild, wavy hair.
I also considered drawing his helmet, but there was not enough room on paper. Plus, this was a deliberate choice to have Achilles take out his helmet out of respect, and be intimate with Iphigenia.
Iphigenia's parents both have sharp eyes, so I try to have Iphigenia with sharp and round eyes to show her youth. At that point I think she is 14 years old. Which is also common for an adolescent girl to get married during the Bronze Age.
These are the scenes from the film.
The movie timestamp starts at 1:53:00. But, if you want the script:
Iphigenia: Because of all this, since Greece wants my life, I give it to her.
(MEN CHEERING)
Iphigenia: Death will be my wedding, children, and glory.
(IPHIGENIA TURNS TO CLYTEMNESTRA)
Iphigenia: Mother, that's how it is. You should be grateful that we are Greeks... and not barbarians or slaves.
(ACHILLES APPROACHES)
Achilles: If the gods loved me, you would have been mine today. I envy Greece that is taking you away. I envy you for the glory she gives you. There is nothing I wouldn't do to save you. Speak, before it's too late. There's no coming back from death.
Iphigenia: I'm not afraid of death. I know it. I'm just thinking how much blood will be shed for Helen... and I say that's enough. Don't kill for me. And above all, don't get killed.
Achilles: Since death could not bend you, what can I say? I want you to know one thing. You can change your mind at the last minute. I'll be close.
(ACHILLES CARESSES IPHIGENIA'S CHEEK)
Achilles: Don't forget this... I don't want you to die.
Inspired and based on scenes from the 1977 film, "Iphigenia."
It's quite a touching and heartbreaking moment when Clytemnestra was hugging Iphigenia for dear life for someone who's known to be proud.
Compared to the original scene, I want to emphasize Clytemnestra's grief by smudging her makeup, and having her with messy hair. Giving her this raw image of a grieving mother who can't lose her daughter.
The most difficult part was figuring out how to draw Agamemnon's facial expression.
I want him to show a mix of shame, sadness, defeat, and disappointment in himself for being powerless in preventing his daughter's sacrifice.
For Iphigenia I wanted her to appear innocent, and so pure you'd ask what did she do to receive punishment from the gods.
This may not be my first time drawing Mycenaean armor, but I'm not sure if the design is accurate. How did I do, does the armor look good?