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What are the ship dynamics of ISTP-INFP relationship??
Each the reverse of the other's shadow, ISTPs and INFPs are the least alike you can get. In the expanded theory of Myers-Briggs, this pairing is known as âEnigmaâ, and in Socionics, itâs denominated âSuper-egoâ.
This pairing will generally be characterized by differing values, discomfort, and mutual misunderstanding. Partners in these relationships are often fascinated or terrified by their partners lack of similarity to themselves, and they are constantly aware of their total opposition in values to the partner; people close to the pair are often similarly aware. (a)
When presented with the same scenario, Enigma pairs follow parallel lines of reasoning in reverse order. A good metaphor for this is one person interpreting a glass as half full while the other interprets it as half empty; Enigma pairs will arrive at the same conclusion with opposite interpretations. For ISTPs and INFPs, this will likely result in an agreement to disagree and an avoidance of meaningful confrontation until boundaries are crossed. However, this can develop into a relaxed relation in which the ISTP and INFP do not expect their comfort zones to be pushed. They may see their relationship as a playful and exotic reprieve or a safe and casual familiarity.
ISTPs and INFPs are simpatico in their pursuit of internal compatibility and may perceive this in a âgame recognize gameâ sense. While the ISTPs seek comprehension, INFPs strive for conviction. The INFP will admire the ISTPâs logical lucidity, and the ISTP will regard the INFPâs integrity as meritable.
As a couple the ISTP and INFP will augment each otherâs antics, the INFP offering insight through imagination and the ISTP contributing know-how to make dreams a reality. Expect shenanigans, and not just run-of-the-mill shenanigans: out-of-the-box shenanigans with impressive execution. As two developed individuals, the ISTP will help the INFP navigate the world with accuracy, and the INFP will help the ISTP decide what they stand for. They will respect and uphold each otherâs headspace, privacy, and individuality.
However, as two undeveloped individuals, the relationship is unlikely to move past superficialâ they likely wonât even bat an eye at each other. If they do take a mutual interest, antagonism may escalate into psychological abuse from the ISTP and emotional abuse from the INFP. The ISTP will bully the INFP for perceived incompetence, and the INFP will guilt trip the ISTP without restraint.
To avoid these pitfalls, to be blunt, both need to suck it up and go to therapy. ISTP will do well in CBT-style therapy and INFP will thrive with DBT-style.
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(a)Â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionics
**EDIT: I found out that Tipoplo (ISTP) has now been dating an INFP for a year! So while unusual, it's not impossible to make work :)
Hi, I am trying to mix game theory with relationship in MBTI. And I had to quantify the best type of relationship in the MBTI and for that iI used the intertype relation in socionics. The problem is that I need to find a way to explain why I classify some relation higher than some others and also justify why some of them will have a higher score than the others in my game. For example a Dual relationship have a score close to 1 (high) and conflict will be close to 0 (low).
This is awesome! Iâm going to start by listing the rankings as assigned by sociotype.com, then Iâll explain the reasoning I deduced beneath the cut.
The compatibility of intertype relations, from greatest to least, is as follows:
Duality
Identity
Activation
Mirror
Mirage
Semi-duality
Congenerity
Cooperation
Recruit
Supervisor
Recruiter
Supervisee
Super-ego
Extinguishment
Quasi-identity
Conflict
So I went to https://sociotype.com/tools/ and used the intertype relationship calculator to get a gist of how they rank the relationships. (I'll translate the Socionics lingo to MBTI in the parentheses.) I'll also use this graphic to illustrate Model A through Jung's archetypes:
I found that they score types that value the same functions (dominant through inferior) the highestâ letâs call this the âsoulmateâ group. Second highest are the types that share only two valued functions AND two independent/dependent functions (think of dominant/inferior and auxiliary/tertiary as âsetsâ, represented by the heads vs hands above: hands do what heads signal)â call this the âpeerâ group. Third are the types that ONLY share two valued functionsâ call this âtransactionalâ group. Lowest are the types that do not share any valued functionsâ call this âoppositeâ group. Each group has sub-criteria to determine ranking within that group.
In the soulmate group, functions in the same sets rank above functions in opposite sets; then, functions in opposite positions rank above functions in the same position.
In the peer group, shared functions in opposite positions rank highest; then, as the tiebreaker, I ranked the relationships with mirrored (Ni/Ne, etc.) leading (dom) functions higher.
In the transactional group, the subject ranks relationships differently than their partner. Relationships in which the subjectâs creative (aux) function is matched or mirrored by the partnerâs leading (dom) function are ranked highest; then, relationships in which the subjectâs leading (dom) function is complemented (Ni/Se, etc.) or mirrored by the partnerâs creative (aux) function rank higher.
In the opposite group, functions in the same sets rank highest; then, leading (dom) functions of the same orientation (i or e) rank higher.
So... what the hell does this ACTUALLY mean in MBTI terms, you ask? Letâs break it down type by type (using INFJ as example subject)
Duality: same values, same sets, opposite order; balanced strengths and weaknesses with aligned priorities (dom Ni complements dom Se, aux Fe complements aux Ti)
Identity: same values, same sets, same order; aligned priorities but unbalanced (total match, no complements)
Activation: same values, opposite sets, opposite order; balanced but priorities are misaligned (dom Ni complements aux Se, aux Fe complements dom Ti)
Mirror: same values, opposite sets, same order; misaligned priorities and unbalanced (dom Ni matches aux Ni, aux Fe matches dom Fe)
Mirage: half same values, same dependent set in opposite order; similar perspectives with balanced strengths and weaknesses (dom Ni mirrors dom Ne, aux Fe complements aux Ti)
Semi-duality: half same values, same independent set in opposite order; balanced but perspectives dissimilar (dom Ni complements dom Se)
Congenerity: half same values, same independent set in same order; unbalanced but perspectives similar (dom Ni matches dom Ni)
Cooperation: half same values, same dependent set in same order; unbalanced and perspectives dissimilar (aux Fe matches aux Fe)
Recruit: half same values, subjectâs aux function mirrored by partnerâs dom, dom function complemented by aux; subjectâs critical function is triggered (aux Fe mirrors dom Fi, dom Ni complements aux Se, crit Fi triggered by dom Fi)
Supervisor:Â half same values, subjectâs aux function matched; partnerâs trickster function is triggered (aux Fe matches dom Fe, dom Ni triggers trix Ni)
Recruiter:Â half same values, subjectâs dom function mirrored; partnerâs critical function is triggered (dom Ni mirrors aux Ne, dom Ni triggers crit Ni)
Supervisee:Â half same values, subjectâs dom function matched; subjectâs trickster function is triggered (dom Ni mirrors aux Ni, trix Te triggered by dom Te)
Super-ego: opposite values, same sets, same orientation; two sides of the same coin (introverted doms, backwards opposites)
Extinguishment: opposite values, same sets, opposite orientation: same side of matching coins (mirror opposites)
Quasi-identity: opposite values, opposite sets, same orientation: two sides of matching coins (introverted doms, inside-out mirror)
This was the hardest ask Iâve received in years, and I learned a lot while finding an answer! Thanks for the ask anon, and please send us documentation of your game. Iâd love to share the finished product!
P.S. A reminder to my general followers: ALL TYPE COMBOS CAN HAVE SUCCESSFUL RELATIONSHIPS. And preferences are unique to individuals! My lived experience doesnât match these âcompatibility rankingsâ at all. Yes, your type dynamics will influence your relationships in loose patterns that may or may not correlate with intertype theory. Intertype relations are a tool, not a rule :)
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What areas should ISTP improve when paired with INFJ? Any do's and dont's?
In a phrase: show up.
Learning to show up is a healthy lesson for an ISTP in any relationship, but it becomes paramount when paired with an INFJ as they often suffer from abandonment trauma.
The bright side is that if an INFJ has chosen to commit to you and wants to spend their time on you, then theyâre also willing to put in the work to avoid these pitfalls and mutually flourish. ISTPs may feel like they're not enough for âmuchyâ INFJs, but they donât have to; even when you falter, as long as you show the potential and show up with as much as you can offer, your INFJ will have abundant patience.
With all that in mind, Iâll list some specific doâs and donâts below the cut. Thanks for the ask, sorry for the delay, feel free send more asks in the future!
DO be prudent. An INFJ x ISTP couple can easily fall into an anxious-avoidant relationship pattern, in which the INFJ becomes dysregulated when the ISTP seeks distance due to overwhelm. Unaddressed, this may develop into codependence: the ISTP perceives neglect on the part of the INFJ, feels unsafe, and compensates through hyper-independence to avoid the pain of unmet needs; meanwhile the INFJ predicts abandonment by the ISTP, feels insecure, and vacillates between frantically fawning to prevent it and liquidating affinity to prepare for it. Donât write off symptoms of this pattern, and nip it in the bud when you see it. The INFJ will feel loved because you noticed and took action.
DO NOT write off intuitions. While the ISTP will likely be first to notice symptoms of a problem, the INFJ will often understand the root of the problem before the ISTP can observe it. The ISTP does not have to immediately accept the INFJâs conclusion, but they should explore it as a lead rather than stubbornly refusing to take action.
DO NOT ask before affirming. In their quest for internal consistency, the ISTP may unintentionally demand that the INFJ first articulate their reasoning before validating their assertions. INFJs often struggle to know their own wants and needs, let alone to express them; thus what may be intended by the ISTP to be a thoughtful question for clarification may be taken by the INFJ as a dubious interrogation. The ISTP should reply to assertions from the INFJ with âyes, andâ statements when appropriate.
DO guess. Although ISTPs are inept in empathy, they often have strong imaginationsâ so while they may feel blind trying to âreadâ an INFJ, they can hypothesize whatâs going on in the INFJâs head. Hearing âmy best guess is that you are...â from an ISTP says to the INFJ âIâve not only been collecting pieces of you, but also am trying to put them together.â
DO NOT assume. Unlike a guess, if you donât seek to verify your inference, youâve made an assumption. The ISTP should avoid gambling with the INFJ in this way, especially with the assumption that there is more time. The ISTP shouldnât wait to tell the INFJ when something is bothering them, nor assume the INFJ isnât bothered because theyâve said nothing.
DO set boundaries. Because the ISTP views the world through logical structures, they donât always realize that others are not informed of the rules implicit in those structures. While the ISTP sees each rule as derived from straightforward logic, the INFJ was likely doing mental gymnastics and jumped over some rules. Thus, the ISTP should communicate these rules through boundary-setting; rather than imposing the rules on the INFJ, the ISTP can explain which rules they will not stray from and request that the INFJ honor subsequent restrictions.
DO NOT set double standards. Although ISTPs value consistency, they may miss the overarching themes and essential principles that correlate disparate circumstances, thus allowing them to develop separate and dissonant justifications for equivalent scenarios. Eventually the INFJ, valuing harmony of execution, will call out the ISTPÂ on this and request they hold integrity to a single standard.
DO NOT make promises. The ISTP, lacking the foresight of the INFJ, may feel tempted to make promises far into the future, perhaps to manifest dreamsâ but if they do not understand how the INFJ will internalize the promise into their personal vision, they'll be unprepared when the INFJ holds them to it. The INFJ likely expects this and will break their own heart as they grieve the promise they know cannot be fulfilled. Thus, the ISTP makes the INFJ insecure by making promises; instead, the ISTP should build the INFJ's faith in them through consistent action. Promising to kiss the INFJ tomorrow isn't enough to assure them; kiss them every night so they will believe they'll be kissed tomorrow.
DO give a shit. While INFJs have great capacity for compassion and concessions, they privately harbor core principles which to them are inviolable. The undeveloped or unhealthy ISTP believes nothing is certain and everything can be compromised (a conviction they hold to be universal, ironically,) which feeds their apathy and absolute relativism. Over time, the INFJ will become fed up with the ISTP's detachment, seeing it as a lack of character at best, cowardice at worst.
DO care about yourself. If the ISTP doesn't know how to do this, cognitive behavioral therapy is a great start, and seeking it would be the first act of care they can show themself. If they don't, the INFJ will expend energy to compensate, and this unsustainable intensity of emotional labor will burn them out. Additionally, the ISTP must rest for the sake of resting, not for productivity.
DO NOT shut them out. Yes INFJs are emotional sponges, but ISTPs should not keep their pain and struggles secret in order to shield them; not only does it impede communication, but also leaves the INFJ feeling bereft and disconnected. The INFJ will not demand more of the ISTP than they can give, but of that they will desire 100%. The ISTP can remain private, but should be open to sharing themself selflessly when appropriate.
DO be willing. ISTPs often value freedom above all else; untempered, this can devolve into hedonism. The ISTP must be willing to suffer in the right direction. The INFJ will see and cherish the growth and healing this cultivates.
DO NOT substitute intimacy for vulnerability. INFJs love to spend time in the physical presence of their loverâ however, if that time is not spent intensifying connection, they'll grow resentful as their time could be spent more meaningfully alone. For the ISTP, inviting the INFJ into proximity of their solitude is vulnerable in itself, making it easy to slip into complacency about the quality of time spent together. The ISTP should consider how to make mundane moments memorable with their INFJ.
DO reflect. ISTPs should be intentional about introspection when partnered with an INFJ. The INFJ will not only feel validated when the ISTP takes their insight to heart, but also benefit from the nuanced insight the ISTP yields in turn.
The benefits of all this effort? The ISTP will tune into the big picture. They will not only show up with their full self, but also feel like their full self, and receive unconditional positive regard from their INFJ, who will strive to love them with their whole self.
Tl:dr ISTPs should recognize that while INFJs suck at handling the concrete details of the day to day that occupy the forefronts of our lives, they are putting tremendous effort into emotional labor in the background of equal value. Don't take that emotional labor for granted and you'll be fine (: