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How do you know somebody is NOT an ISTJ? What are the signs?
Not logical, pragmatic, detail-oriented, systematic, practical, good with figuring out a system that works for them, oriented around their particular hobbies and interests, able to lay out ironclad arguments, reliant on the past influencing the present and future trends, self-aware, skeptical of anything unproven.
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What are the indications someone isn't a xxTJ?
Easily insulted, their reasoning doesn’t make sense and can’t be easily explained or articulated or proven, they are unable to easily lay out a workable system, they don’t make decisions based on facts or statistics, they don’t care about completion, they don’t create structure for their projects, their focus is entirely on people, relationships, and feelings, are super aware of other people’s feelings and willing to accommodate them, want to soften everything so it does not offend, comes across as “emotional.”
How do you experience interacting with an ISTJ mom being that you're an ENFP? You guys have opposite stackings, how does it work being that her Ne is her last priority but your number one?
Most of the time, we get along fine. She thinks I’m highly creative (I am) and a weirdo (also true) and too emotional, whereas most of the time, I respect her opinions and factual take on things.
Her inferior Ne is weak; she would rather throw the proverbial abstract baby out with the bath water than have to theorize or rethink something that holds no interest for her. Nonfiction authors who are too vague get tossed aside rapidly. She’s very, very literal, and easily fed up with anything intangible. She can’t see the point of it if it’s not applicable to real life; she did dive into the Enneagram for a little while, because it helped her understand her loved ones better, but easily moved on once she absorbed a few growth suggestions for herself.
Whenever she is around N types (her husband and both her kids), she wants to know how we know that, is there evidence for it, etc. Proof! Otherwise it’s made up and probably not true.
She is a decent proof-reader for me, because she will point out details I didn’t notice (you changed their eye color, you described this the same way in two different places, etc.) or point out the logical impossibility of the situation (if they were in an accident of that scale, even if they had magic, they would still be hurt a lot worse than you wrote, and you seem to have forgotten all about it a few hours later…).
Her strength is organization and coming up with little routines that work in our business so nobody forgets anything important, and mine is fixing things on the spot or coming up with how to make it work, since her methods are a lot more methodical than mine.
ISTJ BB ❄️💎
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Dave Grohl
Do you think that being a type 6 would exaggerate the negative traits of an ISTJ? I ask because many traits of type 6 already sounds like inferior Ne, like being security minded and catastrophizing. What could be the advantages of this combination?
I think a lot of the 6 descriptions are written with inferior Ne in mind (the author didn't know that's what it was), yes, which is why other types who are 6 may or may not relate to inferior Ne + 6 things. (I did see a Ni-dom 6 description once in a book, which amused me, since it was so blatantly Ni that no other type would relate to it as a 6.)
ISJ 6s are typically good at anticipating the things they might need if things go south and preparing for it, so they are the people who were stocked up when Covid hit and had enough of their favorite snack foods to outlive the apocalypse. J types prepare instead of wing it, so whatever the 6 is concerned about, they will take steps to rectify and bring under their control. Scared about losing their job? > refreshed and updated their resume and has it ready to go. So, I guess the answer would be "they're usually proactive and don't just wait for doom to hit" without a detailed plan of what to do if and when it does.
