THE DEN OF MADNESS

today is my One Year Anniversary of being an atiny. here's everything i know

all them bitches gay

at any given point in time you, as an atiny, can go to sleep and wake up and there will be a new 45 minute video in eyeball quality definition wherein the members of ateez have accomplished levels of insanity previously unthought of. and you just have to accept this

there sure is lore. it's there. they sure do have lore

it kind of tracks that jeong yunho is catholic because there's something inherently deeply evil about him that can only be explained through the ancestral history of schisms and the fact that i think the catholics make you get on your knees to take the jesus cracker. he also has a foot fetish

no matter how hard i try i will never kiss as many boys as jung wooyoung

i cannot stress this part enough. wooyoung's mom and san's mom hang out all the time. san's dad cried when wooyoung got injured. san's dad sent wooyoung's older brother a congratulations card once. wooyoung says san's hometown is his favourite place. wooyoung calls san's dad on his birthday and often enough that it's not out of place. this isn't a fucking joke.

choi jongho should be in a girl group and/or choi jongho should be the romantic lead in a BL and/or choi jongho should be left alone to watch his programs and drink his terra in peace.

they made kang yeosang in the same factory they made the powerpuff girls. i'm fairly certain he's had conversations with shooting stars. the witch that cursed him to human existence forgot about him for a while and is now too embarrassed to take it back. he knows things i can never know and has seen things no one else will ever see. i will protect him with my life

i think these guys make music and tbqh it bangs? has anyone ever listened to it

princess diana and song mingi would have been best friends

every time my decades' worth of mental health treatment and psychiatric regime prevents me from having a manic episode, that energy transfers onto kim hongjoong instead

Do It For Park Seonghwa

there is no twink death like the twink death of choi san

somewhere in south korea, there is a team of editors who has to sort through footage of ateez very consistently. their job is to find footage they can actually use to make content. it is unimaginably difficult. every day, an editor suffers. and for just 10 cents a day--

at the end of they day, they're just 8 guys. 8 friends who are living their dreams together. 8 men who love each other so deeply that, even when they think of doing things alone, they always think about each other. 8 men who signed on for another decade of work. 8 men who want to do this for the rest of their lives. 8 men who say they want to be together in every life. i'm normal about this.

San + text posts (pt. 15/50)

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but that's not the issue tho. the issue is not that they're sexualizing themselves, it's that they're sexualizing women. and using a Latin sound to do it.

im Mexican and i turned my mom into an Atiny but to her "mamacita" sounds like a bunch of men cat-calling a woman in the streets 😕

i think it's disappointing that they chose a Latin sound of all sounds to sexualize women. it's very stereotypical and not complimentary.

and i also think it's disappointing that atiny that aren't hispanic dismiss the criticism as "you're stupid and want to control ateez! they're grown men they can do what they want!"

well then im a grown woman and i can criticize them for sexualizing latinas, no?

i was so excited when they started exploring a more Latin sound in Fin and Gh1. but now it turned into "mamacita so hot she gets me going!"

also the criticism of the spanish is not because ppl have issues with the language itself, but bc Bad uses a music genre called "brazilian funk", but doesn't use brazilian portuguese

spanish is my native language so obviously i have no issue with artists using it, i like being able to understand what they're saying. but when they use spanish in a music genre that was born in portuguese-speaking country, i also understand why the atiny from that country are disappointed

i think these are all valid criticisms from people whose cultures and women are already so exploited by foreigners.

but people keep dismissing it because no criticism of ateez is allowed 😕

Second Anon:

So people are idiots and control freaks for DISLIKING CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND THE SEXUALIZATION OF WOMEN. Right… Right.

I wanted to respond to both of you in one message since the topic is similar - I hope that's okay.

To start with, I want to say I'm admittedly very uninformed about the various music genres which were born in Latin America, so I didn't know the exact music influence behind 'BAD' came from Brazil, so thank you for sharing your knowledge here - that really does drastically change things.

I also want to say I've had to fully steer clear of social media these last few months due to some added stressors in my private life, so the only direct feedback from Atiny I'd seen regarding this comeback came from YouTube comment sections and what the Anon from before had shared in their question, so I'm really, truly sorry for my ignorance on the 100% valid reasons you and other Atiny are upset about this comeback. It really wasn't my intention to dismiss any of this. I just truly didn't know better.

I know there's a massive issue with all Central and South American countries getting lumped together by outsiders despite the vast cultural differences, so I absolutely understand why you'd be pissed or sad about seeing this issue reinforced from artists you've been supporting.

I was also already highly aware of how fetishized women of color in general are, but since I'd seen so many Latinx Atiny actively teach Mingi the kind of words and phrases found in the lyrics, I didn't feel it was my place to go against that, but I realize now that by doing that, I just fell straight into the trap of treating y'all like a monolith, so I'm really, really sorry about that. I know there'll never be a large group of people where a few can speak for all. Though I assume the type of thinking I was using might be exactly what led to the Spanish lines being put in the song - they assumed it was okay because it was Atiny who'd taught them these things at send-offs and via fancalls.

Another thing I want to make clear is that I don't think Ateez are above being deserving of criticism when they mess up - far from it. The members themselves, especially Hongjoong and San, have repeatedly said they want to be told when they do something wrong so they can apologize properly and do better in the future. So I hope your words can reach them through an Atiny on Fromm or via another platform.

I think both the members and Edenary should - and would want to - know they've unintentionally hurt people who've been supporting them.

Though I will say that while, yes, it's impossible for someone to know everything about every culture, they really should've done their research the second they chose to borrow from Brazilian culture since they are now profiting off it.

I am Brazilian, so if you ask me, I will sit you for 1 hour as I go on and on about how "Bad" is (pun intended) bad LOL

Not the song. I love it. It's stuck in my mind for the past few days.

But man did they mess it up...

"Bad" is clearly Brazilian funk. And we know our funk is trending internationally. There is a great amount of kpop idols doing dance challenges and videos with our funk (some with very questionable lyrics, btw, people should research better lol).

So Ateez goes, and makes a song with OUR funk. We are insanely happy, of course we are! They finally acknowledged us as well, not only the Hispanic countries! We love to see people liking our culture, we love to be recognized...

Except we weren't 😂

They use our funk and speak in Spanish (Brazilian's biggest pet peeve with foreigners is that we don't speak Spanish! We speak Portuguese!!), they make an entire MV based on Hispanic culture influence, and... And... Where are we? Where is Brazil?

The impression left is that they took a ride on the trend for the sake of the trend. They used our music and threw the rest in the garbage. They make a MV with completely different cultures, erasing them as well. It's not Latin. It's "Latin flavor", palatable for the rest of the world. But it's not our identity.

And identity is something serious, especially in Latin America, where we have been years and years fighting this erasing. They problem understand that as well as we do: Asian countries have been fighting this too. It's not "japanese", it's not "chinese". It's Korea, it's Philippines, it's Thailand, it's Singapore...

For us it's a huge deal, but for people not related it's too! Atiny-for-life said it themselves: they had no idea it was Brazilian funk. Ofc they didn't, how could they? The MV makes zero references to Brazil. How can a first time listener of Brazillian funk know its correct roots if the source of their first contact didn't acknowledge it? The MV contributes to this problem.

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