but the funniest part of this is not that they were debating the exile of a man who has been dead for over 500 years.

Most hoard images from Wikipedia.

Found with the rest of the hoard, the handaxe pictured above was probably found either while digging his own hole for the treasure or maybe earlier in a precious bout of hoarding by some Romano-Briton who thought it was cool enough to bury along with all of his coins and Juliane's bracelet, because cool rock. This was absolutely the correct move.

but that's not the issue tho. the issue is not that they're sexualizing themselves, it's that they're sexualizing women. and using a Latin sound to do it.

im Mexican and i turned my mom into an Atiny but to her "mamacita" sounds like a bunch of men cat-calling a woman in the streets 😕

i think it's disappointing that they chose a Latin sound of all sounds to sexualize women. it's very stereotypical and not complimentary.

and i also think it's disappointing that atiny that aren't hispanic dismiss the criticism as "you're stupid and want to control ateez! they're grown men they can do what they want!"

well then im a grown woman and i can criticize them for sexualizing latinas, no?

i was so excited when they started exploring a more Latin sound in Fin and Gh1. but now it turned into "mamacita so hot she gets me going!"

also the criticism of the spanish is not because ppl have issues with the language itself, but bc Bad uses a music genre called "brazilian funk", but doesn't use brazilian portuguese

spanish is my native language so obviously i have no issue with artists using it, i like being able to understand what they're saying. but when they use spanish in a music genre that was born in portuguese-speaking country, i also understand why the atiny from that country are disappointed

i think these are all valid criticisms from people whose cultures and women are already so exploited by foreigners.

but people keep dismissing it because no criticism of ateez is allowed 😕

Second Anon:

So people are idiots and control freaks for DISLIKING CULTURAL APPROPRIATION AND THE SEXUALIZATION OF WOMEN. Right… Right.

I wanted to respond to both of you in one message since the topic is similar - I hope that's okay.

To start with, I want to say I'm admittedly very uninformed about the various music genres which were born in Latin America, so I didn't know the exact music influence behind 'BAD' came from Brazil, so thank you for sharing your knowledge here - that really does drastically change things.

I also want to say I've had to fully steer clear of social media these last few months due to some added stressors in my private life, so the only direct feedback from Atiny I'd seen regarding this comeback came from YouTube comment sections and what the Anon from before had shared in their question, so I'm really, truly sorry for my ignorance on the 100% valid reasons you and other Atiny are upset about this comeback. It really wasn't my intention to dismiss any of this. I just truly didn't know better.

I know there's a massive issue with all Central and South American countries getting lumped together by outsiders despite the vast cultural differences, so I absolutely understand why you'd be pissed or sad about seeing this issue reinforced from artists you've been supporting.

I was also already highly aware of how fetishized women of color in general are, but since I'd seen so many Latinx Atiny actively teach Mingi the kind of words and phrases found in the lyrics, I didn't feel it was my place to go against that, but I realize now that by doing that, I just fell straight into the trap of treating y'all like a monolith, so I'm really, really sorry about that. I know there'll never be a large group of people where a few can speak for all. Though I assume the type of thinking I was using might be exactly what led to the Spanish lines being put in the song - they assumed it was okay because it was Atiny who'd taught them these things at send-offs and via fancalls.

Another thing I want to make clear is that I don't think Ateez are above being deserving of criticism when they mess up - far from it. The members themselves, especially Hongjoong and San, have repeatedly said they want to be told when they do something wrong so they can apologize properly and do better in the future. So I hope your words can reach them through an Atiny on Fromm or via another platform.

I think both the members and Edenary should - and would want to - know they've unintentionally hurt people who've been supporting them.

Though I will say that while, yes, it's impossible for someone to know everything about every culture, they really should've done their research the second they chose to borrow from Brazilian culture since they are now profiting off it.

I am Brazilian, so if you ask me, I will sit you for 1 hour as I go on and on about how "Bad" is (pun intended) bad LOL

Not the song. I love it. It's stuck in my mind for the past few days.

But man did they mess it up...

"Bad" is clearly Brazilian funk. And we know our funk is trending internationally. There is a great amount of kpop idols doing dance challenges and videos with our funk (some with very questionable lyrics, btw, people should research better lol).

So Ateez goes, and makes a song with OUR funk. We are insanely happy, of course we are! They finally acknowledged us as well, not only the Hispanic countries! We love to see people liking our culture, we love to be recognized...

Except we weren't 😂

They use our funk and speak in Spanish (Brazilian's biggest pet peeve with foreigners is that we don't speak Spanish! We speak Portuguese!!), they make an entire MV based on Hispanic culture influence, and... And... Where are we? Where is Brazil?

The impression left is that they took a ride on the trend for the sake of the trend. They used our music and threw the rest in the garbage. They make a MV with completely different cultures, erasing them as well. It's not Latin. It's "Latin flavor", palatable for the rest of the world. But it's not our identity.

And identity is something serious, especially in Latin America, where we have been years and years fighting this erasing. They problem understand that as well as we do: Asian countries have been fighting this too. It's not "japanese", it's not "chinese". It's Korea, it's Philippines, it's Thailand, it's Singapore...

For us it's a huge deal, but for people not related it's too! Atiny-for-life said it themselves: they had no idea it was Brazilian funk. Ofc they didn't, how could they? The MV makes zero references to Brazil. How can a first time listener of Brazillian funk know its correct roots if the source of their first contact didn't acknowledge it? The MV contributes to this problem.