Read the goddamn bisexual manifesto

i currently don’t have the emotional capacity to handle this ask properly but to summarize:

you’re fucking wrong.

Some interesting stats from a survey taken from this article:

"panphobes": "stop saying that bisexuality excludes trans people or nonbinary people, stop saying that bisexuals are attracted to only two genders, stop saying that we're attracted to parts and not hearts and stop saying that we all inherently value gender over personality"

- 2020 - 

"While both describe sexual orientations, bisexuality is rooted in a binary system of gender identities, Bass explains. On the other hand, pansexuality encompasses attraction (either sexual, romantic, physical, and or spiritual) towards members of all gender identities and expressions and is not rooted in the binary."

- “What's the Difference Between Pansexuality and Bisexuality?", Sophie Saint Thomas and Carina Hsieh, article on Cosmopolitan, December 18 2020

“Often confused with bisexuality, pansexuality is where gender isn’t factored into attraction at all. In contrast, those who identify as bisexual are attracted to both genders.”

- “What is pansexuality and how does it compare with bisexuality?”, Yahoo! News, January 4, 2020

“Pansexuals can feel sexual attraction towards androgynous, agender, bigender, cisgender, intersex, gender-neutral, gender-fluid, and transgender people.”

-”What is pansexual? What is the difference between pansexual and bisexual? We got answers!”, article on LGBTQnation, February 27, 2020

“It never felt right for me to identify as bisexual,“ she continues. “I know so many people who are asexual or two-spirited, and I’m open to being with someone who is trans. I never wanted to alienate anyone in my sexual exploration*. Even though I have never been with anyone who is trans, I’m open to it. For me it’s more of a political decision.* I think everyone, regardless of who they are with, should identify as pansexual. I think that would help everyone love each other more.”

- “What is Pansexual? A Guide to Pansexuality”, Vera Papisova, Teen Vogue, April 21, 2020

What is the difference between pansexuality and bisexuality?

Bisexual:

The prefix “bi” means two – Bisexual is attracted to both sexes by both men and women – Attractiveness is related to gender.

Pansexual:

The prefix “pan” means everything – Pansexual is attracted to all, including transsexuals – Sex does not play any role. The attraction itself is unrelated to sex.

- What is pansexual?, RainbowHeart, June 13, 2020

- 2019 -

"Glenn’s revelation has raised curiosity among fans more than anything else, particularly because she came out as pansexual.

“‘Bisexual’ is the go-to term that everyone understands and is comfortable with,” Glenn said. “But someone can be born a female and identify as a male or the other way around. I’m attracted to the person [first]; not what’s underneath their clothes. Pansexuals are gender-blind.” "

- Amber Glenn: America's pansexual skating star on coming out and breaking through (article is dated March 2021 but this part is taken from a December 2019 interview)

“Pansexuality basically means it’s about hearts, not parts,” she said. “It doesn’t matter if you’re male, female, trans male, trans female, nonbinary — everyone’s hot to me.”

- Boston’s 49th Pride Parade is a bright and colorful affair, Boston Globe, June 8, 2019

“On the other hand, the term ‘pansexual’ includes all genders and all sexes: man, woman, transgender, intersex”

- This Is What It Really Means To Be Pansexual, Gentside, March 17, 2019

“He told me that pansexuality meant you could feel attracted to people of all genders – boys, girls, transgender people, non-binary people”

- My Label and Me, Metro, 21 Feb 2019

“Just like bisexuality, pansexuals are sexually attracted to men and women. But the key difference is that pansexual people tend to consider themselves as more “gender fluid”. They may also be drawn to those who identify as intersex, third-gender, androgynous or transgender.”

- LOVE IS ALL AROUND What does Pansexual mean and how is it different to being bisexual?, The Sun, July 23, 2019

“A pansexual is someone who can be attracted to males, females, transgender people and those who identify as non-binary (not female or male).— Mel Evans”

- A quote from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary page on “pansexual”, 2019

“As a pansexual person, as well as fancying males, females, and other genders, I feel I experience sexual attraction differently to the average person. I never look at someone and think, “I wonder what it’d be like to fuck them? I wonder what their genitals look like.” That thought doesn’t enter my head.”

- Lana Peswani, “Pansexuality meaning and definition - What is pansexual?” Cosmopolitan, June 11, 2019

“A pansexual could be romantically and/or sexually attracted to someone who is male, female, transgender, intersex, agendered/genderqueer or any other gender, and wouldn’t be attracted to them because of their gender/identity but their personality”

- What is Pansexuality? Feeld.co, November 22, 2019

“labels such as “pansexual” do capture a specific sense that fancying someone isn’t just about gender.”

- The pansexual revolution: how sexual fluidity became mainstream, Gabi Hinsliff, February 14, 2019

and these are just the past two years.

Here you can find the links + a shitton more examples.

bisexuality is attraction to two or more genders. No transphobic binary bullshit, bisexuality includes attraction to trans people, both binary and nonbinary, full stop.

pansexuality is attraction to all genders. 

While pansexual people can choose to identify as bi (and many do), not all bisexual people can identify as pan. Many bisexuals experience no attraction to certain genders while still fitting comfortably within the definition of bisexuality. A woman who is attracted only to women + agender people, for example, could id as bi but not as pan.

2) Pansexuality is not a ~subset~ of bisexuality, it’s bisexuality full stop. Stop saying bisexuality is an “umbrella term” when it isn’t and never has been. You are redefining bisexuality in order to differentiate pansexuality from it and I, a bisexual, don’t appreciate it. At all.

3) The “bi means two [or more]” bullshit definition only came to fruition due to pansexuals trying to create a difference between the two sexualities that isn’t inherently biphobic or transphobic; which will never happen as pansexuality was, is, and will always be: inherently biphobic.

4) You are personally contributing to bisexual erasure by saying shit like “all pans are bi but not all bis are pan”. The “pansexual experience” has always been a BISEXUAL experience. I’m attracted to both sexes, all genders—regardless of gender—and guess fuckin’ what? I am BISEXUAL. By saying that bisexuals like me are what pansexuality is, you are—not only contributing to bisexual erasure—you’re being incredibly ignorant.

4) “It’s not [bisexuals] place to dictate what pansexuality means.” BRUH. This BIPHOBIC ass label was born out of BIPHOBIA and you have the GALL to tell bisexuals—who are constantly and consistently—HARMED by this label that WE can’t say SHIT? Fuck outta here.

Please check the following out before spewing more misinformation:

- Defining Bisexuality:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1Q–nIkJu0OS0BgiyZmdKVwOVg1G90SFzWijNDWFTt58/mobilebasic

- Every Single Definition of Pansexuality Debunked:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1T5rkm0LKNo0-ns3wDpugs_QevH4jJ5g9PmbW0VUMtkA/mobilebasic

- The Cultural Impact of Pansexuality:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1pb5DQ4FY4dOx03TtQUk2R1UzbcDeFOeh0jIEcG4F7k0/mobilebasic

I also recommend you visit the following articles written by Kravitz M. :

- https://medium.com/an-injustice/why-do-people-say-bisexuality-is-transphobic-7a33634117fc

- https://medium.com/an-injustice/theres-no-actual-difference-between-bisexuality-and-pansexuality-f1336a2a74de

You don’t have sympathy for bisexuals struggling with their orientation; you call bi women “disrespectful evil abusers” when they make jokes about their shitty boyfriends, when y’all made it very clear that you will not respect the fact that we still love women if we don’t.

You don’t have any sympathy for bisexuals who have never dated the same gender, say that we don’t belong in LGBT spaces until we do, and say that bisexuals are struggling with their same-gender attraction are actually straight : ) and don’t deserve compassion. Actual bisexual women will say “I’m scared of dating women because I feel predatory because of my bisexuality” and y’all! Will not! Have! Sympathy!

Bisexuals will say “I’m struggling to accept my same-gender attraction because of the society I raised in” and instead of having any sympathy, y’all will say to our faces “well, it’s not really a big deal for you. You’re not gay.” You don’t think ANY of that is painful for us? That we do not feel pain? That I do not feel pain because I’ve never lived in an area where I’ve even be able to be open my bisexuality let alone date a woman? You think that that has not caused me immense pain and impacted my mental health?

Bisexuals will come forward with the abuse they suffered at the hands of their straight partners, and y’all will shrug, and say it was our fault for dating straight people. What did we think would happen?

You ignore it when we’re victims of homophobia, because that breaks your illusion that we’re not victims of it and that we’re safe from it. Y’all WILL ignore posts and articles written by bisexuals about when we were discriminated against for our bisexuality because you want to believe we live ultra privileged lives and don’t want to see anything that proves that’s not true.

You ignore bisexual trans people because you want to spread the idea that we’re inherently transphobic, and you DO ignore bisexual trans voices because that’s not an idea that you’re interested in combating because you want to believe that we’re transphobic.

You refuse to call out biphobia and biphobic people when you see them; people can say that bisexuals aren’t serious about their same-gender attraction, that bi men will cheat, that bi women center men, that we just don’t understand gender nonconformity like lesbians and gay men do, and y’all will be silent.

Starts off strong. Actively promising and wishing to stay best friends, specifically, forever. Nice, nice

Neither can Din😏

Excuse me? Platonic yearning? In my 2021 animated movie?!?😍✨

Bro WHAT

Get his amatonormative ass! Also, they just happened to specifically use the phrase special bond, which is a important part of the definition of a very specific arospec identity??

So we were thinking they were gonna give us an aro king, but they decided to go the demiromantic route instead? That’s cool, that’s cool.

I’m massively bored and massively annoyed at people circulating images of radfems to support their arguments. So here’s another ace discourse post. 

A fringe argument in ace discourse has been “Asexuals have always been considered LGBT!” even though there has never been any noted reference to cisgender, straight aces in LGBT spaces prior to like… 2010. And the LGBT spaces prior to 2010 that let in cisgender, straight aces were just GSAs (which already let in cishets) in high schools or colleges.

And there is a reason for it.

Part of the reason is the changing definition of asexual. The AVEN triangle is based on the Kinsey “Group X” definition where Group X meant just… not having sex. Kinsey (who should not be cited with adoration for coming up with asexuality, as he was an awful person) did not create the “scale” to address who is or is not LGBT.

Then, radical feminists (ie also not an LGBT group) defined asexuality as viewing sex as nonessential to relationships. This bore an iconic image used to defend aces as LGBT to this day:

The image is from “off our backs” which is a radical feminist publication. This particular group was “Lesbians Activists at Barnard (College).” This was not listing LGBT identities (thus why straight was up there) but was listing identities you could have as a radical feminist. Similarly, the “Asexual Manifesto” was published by radical feminist Lisa Orlando who published it through New York Radical Feminists. And talks about asexuality being a choice, not an identity.

At the same time, asexual was referenced by a trans liberation mag, as we can see from ANOTHER image used by inclusionists:

This is an image just saying that all trans people should be liberated no matter if they are straight, gay, or anything else. It should be noted that since this was published in 1970, it was functioning under the same understanding of asexual as used by the radical feminists who defined asexual as seeing “ sex as nonessential to a satisfying relationship.” Not at all our modern definition of asexual.

So, we’re into 1970 and no one is considering ace to be LGBT. And yet it exists as DISTINCT from bisexual, so all of you fuckers can stop with the “actual cishet aces were considered to be bisexual” cause… no they weren’t.

Skip to the first proto ace community as listed by aven itself, Zoe O’Reilly’s “My Life as an Amoeba.” Which speaks of envy towards LGBT people, boasts of asexuality being about not fucking or dating and how that makes them better than teen moms, and defines asexuality how we would aroace. So, different ace definition than today… still not considered LGBT.

AVEN’s creation is messy as fuck and struggles to define asexuality but decides that basically any person who relates to non-sexuality belongs there. Neato.

May 2003 on AVEN: “Let’s change LGBT to LGBTA.” David Jay, founder of AVEN, says, actually, he’s already done so by making his universitys acronym “ LGBTTQQPFAGIBDSM “ (spot the slur, look hard at the inclusion of BDSM). People make “LOL SO MANY LETTERS” jokes that homophobes make about LGBT to this day. Then:

“The ace is for ally bro” and Aven guy says, “Actually, allies are queer.”

So, 2003… aces aren’t LGBT. And David Jay is a fucking freak. Also, someone brought the thread back 8 yaers later to say “Ew aces aren’t LGBT like those sinners.” Oops.

In 2010, aces decided to make their own flag. Some like stripes because it’s “Very LGBT” and well… here are some responses:

So, already an acknowledgment that they might not be LGBT. But calls LGBt people “Alternate sexualities” which… die.

“The gays get a lot of guff, right? Because of their rainbow flag” not OUR rainbow flag, lol. Also, wtf and then someone else points out the a is for ally anyways

In 2010.

In 2015, aces started the #GiveItBack campaign after GLAAD (and then HRC in 2016) said the A is for Ally. You can go on twitter and see aces tweeting about the #GiveItBack campaign if you don’t believe me, lol.

So, if aces want to claim that aces have always been LGBT… I gotta say… history is not on your side and, “No, no, I swear they were actually considered bisexual” doesn’t work because your own images include people listing out bisexual and asexual as separate identities.

Anyways, this post is long as fuck but only took 20 minutes. And will ONLY take me 20 minutes because I’m not arguing with people who want to defend an image of a radfem, an out of context image about trans liberation, or Kinsey lmao. Anyone who wants to argue will be laughed at and/or blocked.

It’s fucking constant. Organizations, many of which have little to do with the actual community, constantly make ~LGBT content that excludes aces (cause they aren’t LGBT) and aces barrage them win threats and begging to be included and then brag when they give in.

It was depressing when it happened with GLAAD (tho they still do often exclude aces and barely ever mention them) but it’s just fucking funny that in 2020 I get to see aces begging OREO COOKIES for validation just so they can brag about being included later and use it as evidence.