Odysseus and Circe from book 12 of the Odyssey! A visual I made for a project in my English class!
ââYes, yes, but tell me the truth now, goddess,' I protested. âDeadly Charybdisâcan't I possibly cut and run from her and still fight Scylla off when Scylla strikes my men?â âSo stubborn!â the lovely goddess countered. âHell-bent yet again on battle and feats of arms? Canât you bow to the deathless gods themselves? Scyllaâs no mortal, sheâs an immortal devastation, terrible, savage, wild, no fighting her, no defenseâjust flee the creature, that's the only way." (Homer, 12.122-130)
I hope the way I drew them was at least a little accurate to how things were beauty standard wise and face shape wise. Let me know of any way to make it more historically accurate! (Also ignore the clothes, those were last minute touches because I didn't want to present them naked.)
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the thing that bothers me with 7 deadly sin based characters is when they cant decide if they embody the sin by suffering from it or by drawing it out of others. ie. if your gluttony demon is a guy who loves eating then your lust demon should be a gooner sex pest. and if your lust demon is a seductive girlboss then your gluttony demon should be a 5 star chef. does this make sense.
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missing the expanse (show) so bad i am listening to the expanse (soundtrack) while reading the expanse (books and fanfiction) and watching the expanse (cast interviews)
đ đ Hello and welcome to our fourth annual Flufftober đ đ
Weâre so excited to be back and have you here once again!
As always, letâs fill the month of October with as much fluff as possible 𼰠for that to happen, you can either use our 31 regular prompts or enjoy a little challenge đ
Below the cut, you'll find all our rules, posting info, and all the prompts in writing. If you have any more questions, please feel free to send us an ask.
And now, for the challenge...
Prompt Extras
We love to see how many of you get inspired by our prompts every year - be it by the original list or the Prompt Extras. Once again we're offering you that option and you're more than welcome to replace prompts from the original list if they don't work for you for whatever reason - no explanation needed.
As has become tradition, we offer you last year's top five fan favorites (as voted in the end survey). In addition to that, we also offer a little challenge: five angsty prompts for you to turn fluffy!
If you don't want to replace any prompt from the original list but still love the additional ones - or you simply want to challenge yourself even further - you can also mix them all together!
So in whichever way you use these Prompt Extras, have fun with them and go wild đ
We hope you like these prompts, and now
Happy Creating đĽł
Standard Blog Rules & FAQ
Addendum: We do not allow AI creations of any kind.
(Due to previous asks, we made sure to add more points to this section - while they're not new rules, they're newer to this list, so you'll find them colored green)
No inc*st or p*dophilia - we canât keep you from writing it or creating art for it but it wonât be reblogged.
No inc*st: This rule does not apply to distant cousins and such, as you might find in the LotR fandom (or basically in all of European Monarchy). The line we draw is at direct blood relations (siblings, parents, kids) and/or legal guardianship.
No p*dophilia: This rule does not rule out fandoms that feature teenagers such as Harry Potter, Heartstoppers, Hunger Games, etc. It also doesn't mean you can't write about their time together as teenagers! It's aimed at ships in which one is a minor and the other is not - but since even that has grey areas, the rule is this: if you keep it SFW, all is good and allowed, we don't care; if it turns NSFW, be mindful of the legalities of the world/society/times your characters live in.
No hate or ship bashing - weâre all different and we all love different things. As long as it doesnât go against rule #1, itâs allowed.
Tag correctly! Trigger warnings (including cheating!), ships, ratings, (pure) smut, etc - itâs all fine as long as you tag it.
Thereâs absolutely no word count restriction, write as little or as much as you like.
In regards to art, anything goes: drawings, paintings, collages, mood boards, gif sets, videos, playlists⌠the skyâs the limit (though not reallyâŚ). If you would like to create a podfic, the fic you're using does not have to be new - your creation will be new!
You can mix and mash different mediums however you like, be it within one prompt or on different days.
While we canât force you to write fluff or create fluffy art, please try to keep in mind that this is a fluff event đ that, of course, doesn't mean you can't combine it with angsty/whumpy prompts - hurt/comfort is absolutely welcome!
You can start creating as soon as you see this - but please refrain from posting before the respective day.
If you post early, we will schedule your post for the correct day; if you use multiple prompts in one creation, we will post on the earliest day you used.
You can participate on as many days as you like, even if itâs just one; you can also create multiple entries for the same day.
You can replace as many original prompts as you like with our prompt extras; you can also combine them with the original prompts or create for them in addition, that's completely up to you.
Itâs okay to write one story/a series for all the prompts.
You do not have to stick to one character, ship, or even one fandom - switch as often as you like to or even write for multiple ships for one day.
The ship does not have to be a romantic one! Friendship and family feels are more than welcome (but this is not a way to get around rule #1!)
Original works as well as OCs in fandoms are welcome! But please make sure to mark these clearly, either in the tags or the post itself. We're not familiar with all fandoms (though we're definitely learning a lot!), so we're not always sure what might be an OC and what might be such an unknown side character not even Google can find them...
Reader insert fics (for example "character x reader") as well as RPFs are absolutely allowed.
Other languages are also welcome - just make sure to clearly mark the day and fandom so that we can still easily reblog.
This event can be combined with other events as long as the other event allows it.
Late entries are always welcome, even if it is months or years later.
All fandoms and ships are welcome - fanon and canon - as long as theyâre of age (in case you want to add smut) and not related.
Posting
Posting to tumblr
Please use the tag #flufftober2024
Please make sure there is NO SPACE between flufftober and 2024! We will NOT be checking the other tag this year!
Since tags are sometimes wonky, make sure to also mention us with @flufftober in your post
We will try to catch them all, but please don't be mad if we miss a post or if it gets reblogged a bit late
If you're absolutely certain a post has slipped past us, feel free to send an ask with the link to your post
To make reblogging easier for us, make sure to add the following tags: #flufftober2024 #day [xy] #[fandom] #[ship and/or main character(s)]
If you're using a prompt extra tag it as #alt [number]
Posting to ao3
You can add your creation to the collection Flufftober 2024 (either as flufftober2024 or as flufftober_2024)
Late entries are always welcome, on tumblr as well as the ao3 collection! Neither will close - but like always, reblogs will become less regular the more months have passed...
Prompts
1. Lost Pet Meet Cute
2. âLeft. Other left!â
3. Favorite Scent
4. Market Day
5. Acorn, Chestnut, Pine Cone
6. Mistaken Identity
7. Hoodie Weather
8. Chopping & Piling Wood
9. âDonât do that!â - âButâŚâ
10. Bet, Game, Contest
11. Ingredients & Spells
12. âThis is spooky.â - âReally?â
13. Attic, Cellar, Hidden Room
14. Fantasy AU/Mundane AU
15. âWhat are you wearing?â - âItâs laundry day!â
16. Yes, No, Maybe
17. Only One Bed
18. Bewitched
19. Yarn
20. Paw
21. Bonfire
22. Heirloom
23. Stormy Night
24. Comfort Food
25. Haunted House
26. âI canât find it.â
27. Afternoon Stroll
28. Lucky Charm
29. Time Capsule
30. âForever?â
31. Make a Wish
Prompt Extras
Last Year's Favorites
Alt 1: âIâve got youâ
Alt 2: Rainy Day
Alt 3: âWait you love me?â - âI always haveâ
Welcome to Whumptober 2024 â Seventh Time's a Charm!
Please make sure to read the Event Info and FAQ below carefully, as most of your questions will be answered there already. For everything else, you are welcome to come to our ask box or ask questions in our Discord server here.
This yearâs AO3 Collection can be found here.
This year's playlist can be found here.
The 'Anatomy of a Whumptober Prompt' post can be found here.
And our 'Resources for Writing Sensitive Topics' post is here.
Weâre very excited to see the community come together for another year of Whumptober! Go wild with the prompts, and support your fellow creators - we wish you all the fun!
Best of luck and happy whumping,
Mods Vanne, Yenn, Kitty and Surro
(Text versions of the prompts, as well as event information, rules and FAQ are posted below the cut!)
Whumptober 2024 Prompt List
No. 1: RACE AGAINST THE CLOCK
Search Party | Panic Attack | "If only we could hold on.â (Icysami x Renegaderr, Strangers.)
No. 2: TRUST ISSUES
Amusement Park | Role Reversal | âYou got away with the crime while the knife's in my back.â (Charlotte Sands, Rollercoaster)
No. 3: SET UP FOR FAILURE
Fingerprints | Wrongfully Arrested | "I warned you."
No. 4: HALLUCINATIONS
Hypnosis | Sensory Deprivation | âYou're still alive in my head.â (Billy Lockett, More)
No. 5: SUNBURN
Healing Salve | Heatstroke | "If my pain will stretch that far." (Lottery Winners, Burning House)
No. 6: NOT REALISING THEY'RE INJURED
Unhealthy Coping Mechanisms | Healed Wrong | "It's not my blood."
No. 7: ONLY FOR EMERGENCIES
Unconventional Weapon | Magic with a Cost | "It's us or them."
No. 8: SLEEP DEPRIVATION
Isolation Chamber | Forced to Stay Awake | "Leave the lights on." (Coldplay, Midnight)
No. 9: OBSESSION
Broken Window | Bruises | âFrame me up on the wall, just to keep me out of trouble.â (Fall Out Boy, Irresistible)
No. 10: BLOW TO THE HEAD
Slurred Words | Passing Out from Pain | "I can't think straight."
No. 11: SEEING DOUBLE
Convenience Store | Loneliness | âLeave no trace behind, like you don't even exist.â (Taylor Swift, Illicit Affairs)
No. 12: STARVATION
Underground Caverns | Cannibalism | "Just a little more."
No. 13: TEAM AS A FAMILY
Familial Curse | Multiple Whumpees | "Death will do us part." (Set It Off, Partner's In Crime)
No. 14: LEFT FOR DEAD
Hunting Gear | Blackmail | âBecause I want you to know what it feels like to be hauntedâ (tiLLie, kooL aiD mAn)
No. 15: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA
Painful Hug | Moment of Clarity | "I did good, right?"
No. 16: NECROSIS
Swamp | Wound Cleaning | "No, I can't feel anything."
No. 17: NOWHERE ELSE TO GO
Ruined Map | Shipwrecked | "We had a good run."
No. 18: REVENGE
Unreliable Narrator | Loss of Identity | âI see what's mine and take it.â (Panic! at the Disco, Emperor's New Clothes)
No. 19: BLOOD TRAIL
Abandoned Cabin | One Way Out | "Is there anybody alive out there?" (Bruce Springsteen, Radio Nowhere)
No. 20: EMOTIONAL ANGST
Shoulder to Cry On | Giving Permission to Die | "It's not your fault."
No. 21: BODY HORROR
Body Horror | Tattoo Gun | Spirit Possession | âLet the bedsheet soak up the tears.â (Apparat feat. Soap & Skin, Goodbye)
No. 22: BLEEDING THROUGH BANDAGES
Tourniquet | Reopening Wounds | "Oh that's not good."
No. 23: FORCED CHOICE
Public Display | Broken Pedestal | "I'm doing this for you."
No. 24: RADIATION POISONING
Collapsed Building | Equipment Failure | âI never knew daylight could be so violent.â (Florence + The Machine, No Light, No Light)
No. 25: SURGERY
Stitches | Being Monitored | "It's for your own good."
No. 26: NIGHTMARES
Breakfast Table | Parting Words of Regret | âI'm haunted by the lies that I have loved, the actions I have hated.â (Poe, Haunted)
No. 27: VOICELESS
Laboratory | Muzzled | âI have no mouth and I must scream.â
No. 28: DENIAL
CCTV | Exposure | "They caught me red handed."
No. 29: FATIGUE
Labyrinth | Burnout | "Who said you could rest?"
No. 30: RECOVERY
Hospital Bed | Holding Back Tears | "What have I done?"
No. 31: ASKING FOR HELP
Therapy | Making Amends | "I'm alive, I'm just not well." (Elliot Lee, Alive, Not Well.)
Alternatives List:
Body Swap
Communication Barrier
Finding Old Messages
Forgotten
Friendly Fire
Motion Sickness
No-Holds-Barred Beatdown
Regret
Secrets Revealed
Shivering
Survivor's Guilt
Time Loop
Used As Bait
Venom
Vermin
Event Info & Rules
WHUMPTOBER is a month-long, prompt-based creation challenge (think: Inktober, but whumpier). There are 31 official themes this year - one for each day of the month - which can be used, skipped, or combined in any way youâd like. They are meant to serve as inspiration without being taken literally (e.g. you donât have to include the exact wording of prompts into your work). Feel free to run rampant on interpretation. For example, if the prompt is âflame", you could create something with reference to a candle/campfire, your character could have suffered a burn, or the flame could be a reference to an âold flameâ - an old relationship. Itâs truly down to you!
In total, there are 4 prompts for each day. These are optional suggestions and can be used in conjunction with the theme, or as options/alternatives. We want to give everyone as much creative freedom as possible, as well as increase event accessibility for folks with triggers and squicks. There is also a list of 15 alternative prompts that can be subbed in for any day, again to give participants as much creative freedom as possible.
Creators can PRODUCE work in any media they choose, including but not limited to: writing, visual artwork, photo/video/audio edits, paper crafts and elaborate recommendation lists (not just a list of links). Creators can PARTICIPATE as much or as little as they want (i.e. you donât have to do ALL the prompts if you donât want to) and prompts can be used in any order. They are also free to use even after the event ends.
When uploading Whumptober content to your blog, be sure to tag it with:
#whumptober2024 âŚ..(the event tag)
#no.1, #no.2, #no.3, âŚ..(theme number)
#bruises, #stabbing, âŚ..(the theme or specific prompt you chose)
#altprompt âŚ..(if you use an altprompt, tag the post with the number of the prompt you replace)
#fandom or #OC, âŚ..(ironman, original content, oc, etc.)
#medium âŚ..(gifs, fic, podcast, art, etc.)
#teeth, #etc âŚ..(trigger warnings & any additional tags. Keep in mind not to add âtwâ in front but only use the word/trigger itself)
#nsfwhump âŚ..(only for nsfw content)
#your own tags go here
PLEASE BE DILIGENT WITH YOUR TAGGING. Only properly tagged posts are considered for archiving on the official @whumptober-archive blog. They must be tagged in the order above. An elaborate post about our tagging system can be found [here]
Unfortunately, due to the sheer number of participants in recent years, we cannot guarantee your work will be archived. A random selection of properly tagged posts from all genres will be reblogged each day.
Whumpers who produce content for 31 total theme days are considered event completionists and will be tagged in a masterpost at the end of the month. A form will be published at the beginning of November asking you to tell us if you completed. This is based on trust and we will not check this.
Frequently Asked Questions
Please read this before you send an ask!
TIMELINE
July: Trope voting form released.
Late August: Prompt list is released for at least four weeks of preparation time. Tropes cannot be posted earlier than August 25th because of Moderator obligations in real life. (But, you know, go ahead and start writing/drawing, and add the themes in later, if you want!)
September: Do as much or as little on your works as you want. You can prepare everything in advance or let September go by with vibes and start working in October. Itâs up to you.
October 1st: Challenge begins! A storm of whump breaks upon us all! During this time, some posts will be reblogged to the whumptober archive blog. We open the yearly AO3 collection for posting (optional).
November 1st: The challenge is officially over! Completionist form opens for those who want to be included in the hall-of-fame.
Early November: We release completionist and participant badges, solicit feedback, and post a hall-of-fame list of completionists by the 10th.
PARTICIPATION AND COMPLETION
Q: What counts as participation?
Create or continue at least one work inspired by one of this yearâs prompts.
Q: What counts as completion?
Creating work(s) inspired by at least one prompt from each day (or alts), for a total of 31 unique prompts.
Q: Do I need to create 31 works?
No. You can, if you want. Or you can create one work that you add to every day with a new prompt. Or several works that combine prompts. You can also update an existing work by adding new material with the current prompts.
Q: Do I need to post my works somewhere to be a completionist or a participant?
No.
Q: How do you know I actually completed the challenge?
Weâll take your word for it!
Q: Do I have to finish my work(s) to be a completionist?
No, you can post WIPs. And youâre not obligated to finish them in October, but if you want it to count towards being a completionist, you must have completed 31 prompts by the end of the month. So for example, if youâre writing a long fic and you fit 31 different prompts into the writing you did in October, itâs okay if that fic isnât finished by the time October ends, youâll still be a completionist.
Q: Is co-writing/illustrating allowed?
Yes, absolutely, and it would count towards being a completionist for both/all of you.
Q: Is there a min/max limit on word count for written works?
No.
Q: Is there a min/max limit of quality for art?
No.
Q: Do I have to do something each day to be a completionist?
No. You can skip days whenever you want, and as long as 31 daily prompts (or alts) are in your works done in October, you can be a completionist. For example, if you wrote a 1000-word ficlet that covers prompts in days 2, 3, and 17, you can check all three days off your list even though itâs only one work.
Q: Is this challenge just for fics?
No! Artworks, GIFsets, headcannons, rec lists, poetry, moodboards, or any other creative work is encouraged.
Q: Can I combine Whumptober with other creation challenges?
Absolutely, as long as the other challenges allow it too.
PROMPTS
Q: How do the prompts work?
There are FOUR prompts per day: a theme and three ideas. You can use one, two, three, or all four prompts for each day. If you donât like any of the daily prompts, you can substitute one of the ALT prompts instead.
Q: How strictly/literally should we interpret the prompts?
As literally or as figuratively as you want. For example, if the theme is WATER, that could mean drowning, waterboarding, raining, swimming, take place underwater, be lost at sea, construct a metaphor about a characterâs mood that changes like a flowing river, crying, or whatever else you can think of that fits that theme.
Q: Can I combine prompts? Is there a limit on how many?
No limit and combine as many as youâd like. If you create a work that checks off multiple prompts, that work will count for a fill of multiple prompts. You need to address 31 different prompts to be an official completionist, but you donât have to produce 31 separate works.
WORKS
Q: Whatâs whump?
Hurting a character, whether thatâs physically, emotionally, intellectually, psychologically, or any other way you can think of. Comfort afterwards is optional. Angst is emotional whump, so it counts.
Q: How do I know if itâs whumpy enough?
If your character is just mildly inconvenienced, it probably needs more whump. However, no participant has to prove whumpiness to the mods. Whatever you write is up to you.
Q: What kind of characters can I create for?
Anything. Generic âwhumpee,â OC, PC, NPC, major characters, minor characters, or whatever you want. There are no limits.
Q: Does it have to take place in a specific fandom?
No, you can create works for your own worlds or for fandoms or for both. You can also create more generic or pan-fandom works. You can do cross-overs or use OCs, whatever you want.
Q: Can I create AI-created works?
We will not reblog or promote any works we know to be generative AI-created.
Q: Is there anything weâre not allowed to write?
As long as it contains whump and is based on our prompts, itâs fine. Please courtesy tag your works if you post them so people who follow the #whumptober2024 tag can filter according to their preferences.
Q: What about sex, minor characters, and potentially disturbing content?
You can create whatever works are legal in your country and post them accordingly. Please courtesy tag anything you think might be objectionable if you post to Tumblr so people who follow the #whumptober2024 tag can filter according to their preferences.
POSTING
Q: Where can I post my work?
Post where and how you want. You donât even have to (cross)post it to Tumblr. Just keep in mind if itâs not on Tumblr we will not be able to add it to the blog archive. There is an AO3 archive for Whumptober 2024, as well as the parent collection for works completed outside of the event.
Q: Can I start posting early?
You can, but this is an October event and wouldnât it be more fun with everyone doing it at the same time? We wonât be reblogging any work predating October 1st.
Q: Can I post late?
Yes. For the sake of our hardworking Post Fairies, only a dayâs themes will be reblogged to @whumptober-archive each day of October. But you can post whenever. Some of us are still working on and posting Whumptober fics from years ago.
Q: Do I have to use your tags?
Only on Tumblr and only if you want us to reblog your work on @whumptober-archive.
Q: How do I have my works reblogged to the archive?
Properly tagged posts will be reblogged to @whumptober-archive. If you want the official archive blog to reblog you, post on Tumblr and tag correctly (see this FAQ link for more info on tagging). Please note not all posts will be reblogged each day.
Q: Can we @ you?
For questions and comments, of course. Weâll be getting a flood of notifications, so if you really want us to see something send an ask.
Q: Can I cross post on other blogs?
Yes, multiple platforms and blogs are perfectly acceptable, as long as they allow cross-posting (to us). You can also post different works to different accounts under different names, without posting them everywhere at once. If you post some works under your main and others under an alt blog, thatâs fine for completionist purposes.
Q: Can I upload/repost my Whumptober content to other social media platforms?
Of course! Weâve created an AO3 Collection to archive any fics posted there, which can be found here. The blog is the official archive, so please respect the personal boundaries of any whumpers in your social circle (donât out anyone as a participant who would prefer not to be outed).
Most importantly, have fun, create, and enjoy all the whump posted this October!
Reminder that ao3 does not have an app. Any apps you see are third party and are making money off of the writers without their consent. Theyâre also probably harvesting your data. Do not support this garbage.
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The JLD had been on the hunt for a very specific ghost artifact for a while now. So to say they were peeved when a ghost teen slipped in and stole it mere seconds before they could acquire it would be a gross understatement. Mark their words they were going to retrieve that artifact and make that ghost boy pa- side glare from Zatanna- figure out what he wants with it.
I don't know why, but my brain said (for some Ancients forsaken reason) that it was something stupid like a fucking that Danny has PURPOSEFULLY left in the past (via one of his Time Travelling adventures) to age finely over a century or five.
Then my brain went to this classic gem of a Tumblr post.
So now I'm going to say... Danny, for whatever reason (dare, lost a bet, for the memes, or because he fucking can), uses time travel to make the forbidden Grilled Cheese sandwich. (Or maybe he's trying to use food from the Ghost Zone and that takes a lot of time to age finely).
Either way Danny is after the forbidden Grilled Cheese Sandwich, and the Justice League Dark have no fucking clue what he's plotting until it's too late.
I mean, maybe that's why the Grilled Cheese is forbidden?
Edit: Ok for real though I originally meant to have an ending bit with the Justice League Dark finding him and being so mad... But decided to leave it open for interpretation.
When Danny left it he warned the locals not to toutch it or he'd get mad. He'll come get it for something awesome later. Since the word awesome is kinda new and word-of-mouth is unrelaiable this became: Leave this artifact untouched until the King of Spirits comes for it, or a Demon will unleash its wrath and lay waste to your world.
Zatanna was very confused when the artifact turned out to be a big wheel of cheese, but magic is weird. It certainly had been claimed by a powerfull spirit, so they had to make sure it wasn't stolen until this King came for it, or face apocalypse.
If only this little Ghost teen from the Infinite Realms got the memo. Determined little rascal kept tryong to steal it!
What do you think of the "Tommy was 9 in the independence war" thing i personally like it since i adds more reason why Tommy feels the need to resort to violence but the pet peeve of mine is the "Dream was 13" because that gives dream apologist a reason to defend him so that's why I raise the "Dream is a Cryptid creature and ages abnormally" theory :D
@taiyoandluna09
it's based on the fact that fundy said that there were 8 years between the founding of l'manberg to sometime after doomsday (I don't remember the exact date, but it was in the aftermath !), while tommy was canonically confirmed to be 16 during his trial leading into his exile when the terms for his probation/exile were set until he was 18 and he said that that was 2 years away (and again, when his 17th birthday stream was semi-canon)
the thing about that is, different streamers just kind of say things without talking to other streamers about it, and most of the time other streamers aren't even aware that it's been said lfjkdsa
fundy especially likes adding strange time skips, for instance the 8 year thing came when he took a break after doomsday and canonized that his character had been gone for a full year soul searching.
sometimes this is unobtrusive enough that it doesn't Really matter (tommy has canonized that his exile lasted months, which other characters weren't really aware of at the time. but it doesn't really interfere with the timeline of anything that happened beyond making tubbo's lack of visiting read worse), but sometimes it can outright contradict or complicate other people's canons.
so the way I've taken to handling it is pretending everyone is in their own timeline bubble, kind of like wilbur's time dilation in limbo. fundy experienced that period of time for 8 years, while any creator whose canon contradicts that has experienced that time differently.
on that note, wilbur and tommy have said that the pogtopia v manberg war took place over about 2 years, and while we can't be sure how long the l'manberg revolution was supposed to be, it was definitely much shorter. taking that into account with tommy's canon age being set at 16 when he was exiled and I think you can read him as having been 13 to 14 during the revolution. which is much more reasonable than him having been 9 fjksldaghjfdsa
the thing about 9 year olds is that you very much so know that they are 9 years old. you wouldn't put a 9 year old on a horse, let alone lead them into battle. it changes the entire dynamic of the situation if people were letting a 9 year old fight a war and fighting a 9 year old In war. not that a 14 or even 16 year old doesn't have that problem, but it's much less exaggerated by comparison. someone who's half your height challenging you to a duel to the death reads different from someone who's just baby faced doing the same.
also that 9 year old would have to be jacked to hell to do the things that tommy did, which I do not want to think about.
so ! probable 13 to 14 year old tommy and tubbo based on the manberg timeline set by wilbur and tommy. which is plenty angst material while also being slightly more reasonable (slightly being the key term here).
as for dream being 13 (or in this case 17 to 18, which honestly seems pretty reasonable), it mostly just exists to point out how silly tommy being 8 reads but it's technically not based in canon. the minors are all the same ages as their characters because both the adults and the minors have stated that they'd be uncomfortable with minors roleplaying adults. but the adults don't really have that same restriction.
wilbur's character is currently in his 40's in canon and he has an adult child and philza is hundreds of years old. dream doesn't have a canon stated age as far as I'm aware (most characters don't, technoblade could be 21 or 210) the 13 number is based on dream the streamer's age rather than dream the character. maybe dream would've been 13 if tommy was 8, maybe he would've been 47, we don't know.
though for my last point, I do want to say that I don't really like the idea that we have to age tommy down to "explain" tommy's "violence." I really don't think it's necessary within the context of canon.
this is pretty long so I'm gonna put it under a cut
stealing and griefing are completely normalized actions on the dream smp, and possibly in greater canon beyond that since it's normalized to the extent that it is here. tommy's house was griefed near daily before l'manberg was created (often times by dream) and his shit was and is constantly stolen. tommy's griefing and stealing is not only completely normal in the context of the world that he lives in, it's very often tamer than other people's, even before l'manberg.
when he felt like he'd gone too far in burning tubbo's base he apologized immediately and gave tubbo practically all of the diamonds he had to make up for it. this image of tommy as having been selfish and having to learn to be better is manufactured by a fandom that doesn't seem to be aware of the climate of the server. in the context of the rest of the server, tommy was a Childish or Rambunctious character that was going to learn to take things more seriously. he was Immature, not evil.
as for Outside of the griefing and stealing? the l'manbergians had a policy Against violence during the original l'manberg war, which was broken Because of the smp faction hitting them first and calling for war. and still it was nearly completely one sided. the smp were the ones destroying bases, stealing supplies, spawn killing, and enlisting spies. and tommy very famously used his Words to end the war. (tommy also got his position as wilbur's right had after dream grieffed tommy's base, and tommy deliberately refused to do the same to him after wilbur gave him permission to do so as a test).
and in pogtopia v manberg tommy did his absolute best to Avoid violence and killing and to protect his friends. he literally Constantly was enforcing the idea that nobody had to get hurt, nothing had to be destroyed, they just needed to take their home back. it was the key conflict between him and wilbur + technoblade.
and what came after that?
trauma from wilbur's death, trauma from months of abuse in tommy's exile, trauma from his falling out with techno, trauma from doomsday, trauma from the disc war finale, trauma from being trapped with his abuser for 3 weeks and killed for months, trauma from watching ghostbur and mexican dream die right in front of him and having someone he trusted turn around and threaten him for it.
tommy isn't an innocent angel that can do no wrong when he's in the right state of mind, but he doesn't intentionally hurt anyone when he is. it is Only when he's experiencing overwhelming trauma that he doesn't know how to process or escape that he lashes out, and even then that lashing out is made into more than it was pretty consistently by the fandom.
tommy killing jack during his exile is obviously, Uh, Pretty Fucking Bad. but tommy was completely unaware that jack had actually died. people killing each other Non-canonically to make them lose their things is a dick move, but it's also pretty normalized behavior on the smp and one thatâs never lead to a canon death before. it was a prank gone wrong, and tommy tried to save him Before jack had burned (trying to throw him fire rez and an enderpearl). and when that failed, tommy immediately apologized to jack and tried to explain that he was in a bad headspace, but it obviously wasn't enough because tommy thought he was just apologizing for making jack lose his things while jack had been Murdered.
this would continue and worsen when tommy stayed with technoblade and started lashing out more consistently. the important thing to understand about this is at this point tommy has recognized that he's actively suicidal and that dream had been there to watch him, but he had Not broken out of dream's abuse completely. he went back and forth on whether or not dream was his friend, whether or not he wanted to see him. he Knew that he was confused but he didn't know what to do about that.
and the thing is, tommy's lashing out is due pretty much completely to the fact that dream had done the work to convince him that everyone he's ever loved has never cared about him, which his reactions to oscillate between self hatred (and outright suicidal tendencies) and anger. technoblade outright encouraged both the idea that his friends were bad people And that anger reaction. their entire team up was framed in terms of getting revenge and techno completely reinforces this idea multiple times while trying to convince tommy to help him destroy l'manberg.
tommy leans into more violent tendencies both has a coping mechanism to help him Survive (pushing that anger and hurt outward rather than inward) and worsens those tendencies by the enabling of an adult figure who at that point was his only source of stability like, At All.
that said, even though he did bad things while he was with techno, he Never got to the point where he would've been okay with someone dying or with destroying l'manberg. even with the scene that technoblade tried to convince him to do exactly that he clearly and obviously emphasized that l'manberg was his and tubbo's home, how he didn't want them to get hurt. he obviously didn't Want l'manberg gone, but he wanted the friendship that techno offered him in exchange for helping destroy it.
he pulled himself out of this spiral when he hit his own limits, when he said something that hurt tubbo in a way that struck a cord with him. at which point he Immediately apologized and gave everything up to switch sides. he'd go on to continue apologizing, making the active choice to grow and choose kindness over revenge, leading up to both doomsday and the disc war finale. it was the entire Message of the disc war finale, they were saved because they made and tended to connections with other people.
tommy went out of his way to find and return mars to sapnap during doomsday, he apologized for ever making him lose something that he loved just because he'd been hurt. and he asked sapnap to join them, which he did. and when dream tried to make one last rush towards tubbo when everyone came out of that portal it was Sapnap who stepped between them and told dream to "Get away from them."
after that tommy went out of his way to try to avoid any conflict and violence. he roleplayed animal crossing while building his hotel for a month, multiple characters tried to pull him into the egg plot and he refused because he didn't want to make people upset. he was legitimately just minding his own business while people plotted his death around him.
the One instance that people point towards after this point is pussboy, and honestly at this point I'm going to kill that cat myself.
here's some things to note:
1: killing pets is normalized on the server, it's not a very nice thing to do but it's very easy to do by accident because they aren't sentient and everyone is playing a video game. literally every single character has killed someone's pet, usually multiple (especially multiple if you're sapnap). dream killed mushroom henry in front of tommy's face, he's killed tubbo's bees in front of tommy's face. tommy had been actively Warning tubbo against showing dream that he cared about his animals because he knew that that dream would hurt them for that reason, which he did.
2: the, you know, the multiple times that dream killed tommyâs friends right in front of him. the final control room, the disc war finale (which didnât end in a death but wouldâve been immediately traumatic to experience), dream killing mexican dream in front of tommy twice until he died fully, dream killing ghostbur right in front of tommy.
3: killing pussboy Was an accident. he was trying to get pussboy to move onto the floor, and the only action you have to try to move an animal in minecraft that wonât move on their own is punching. itâs his reaction Afterwards thatâs intended to tell us where his mental state is right now, and the answer to that is Bad. what happened to pussboy was an accident, but tommy was far enough gone to lash out and try to hurt dream even a fraction of the way that heâd hurt him.
4: the context behind this action was tommy being actively retraumatized on purpose for a week straight while isolated with his abuser with nowhere to go. the fact that tommy lashed out at all shouldnât even be a blip on the morality radar, anyone would fold in that situation. but itâs the fact that itâs something that Tommy never would have done intentionally under better circumstances that makes it shocking. itâs not about dreamâs reaction, itâs not about painting tommy as a murderer that Deserved to be killed, itâs about illustrating just how Awful his state of mind is even while heâs been doing everything he can to resist dreamâs attempts at reconditioning him.
5: if anyone at this point thinks that dream cares about a cat more than he cares about tommy theyâre not actually paying attention to canon. dream would give anything for control over tommy, dream Has given anything for control over tommy. he considers tommy to be the key to Everything, because he stripped away every other attachment that he had until all he had left to obsess over Was tommy himself. he started tommyâs extended stay with him begging tommy to stay with him and emphasizing how Much he wanted to experience exile with him again, and when he brought tommy back he proudly proclaimed that he and tommy were going to be immortal together.
godhood to dream isnât having control over life and death, itâs having control over Tommyâs life and death. which is exactly why dream killed tommy when tommy insisted that the revival book wasnât real. he had to make a point about his control over tommy because having that control over tommy is what he cares about most in the world. more than all of his friends, more than all of his pets, more than all of his things, more than his own freedom, more than his own life.
so no, I don't think we have to say that tommy was 9 for his actions to make sense. tommy's actions are largely normalized in the world that he exists in and the points where we see him genuinely lashing out to hurt people are the result of extreme trauma instead of innate badness. but heâs never used the fact that his actions were influenced by his trauma as an Excuse for them, consistently taking responsibility for them and Choosing to grow and and apologize for the sole reason of wanting to be a good person that treats other people with kindness and humanity. the only exception being his attempts to murder dream and killing dream, but I reckon he doesnât exactly owe dream an apology.
tommyâs plan to kill dream hinged on the fact that dream openly planned to use the revival book to torture everyone on the server, something that tommy knows that heâd be willing to do if he escaped both because heâs seen dream kill people before and because dream tortured Him with the revival book just to make a point, thereâs no telling what dream could do with it when his actions are motivated by pure malice with someone who he doesnât actually want to keep.
that isn't tommy being a violent person, that's tommy putting himself in a self-sacrificial position to try to save the rest of the server from someone he knows is dangerous despite the retraumatization and discomfort it causes him.
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AUs:
phanuel au
superphantom au - Danny is the Fallen (arch)angel Phaneul + human/ghost
halfa trio au
danny phantom au - Sam, Tucker, and Danny all become HalfasÂ
amity park door au
danny phantom au - amity park disappears behind a door, guarded by Danny
daisy chain au
???
fgo au
danny phantom / fate grand order au - danny gets summoned as a FGO Servant
litu au
dpXdc TUE & B: a death in the family AU (Crisis on Infinite Earths shenagangins) - Dan never happens, but life keeps going on.Â
morning star au*
superphantom au - Luciferâs Grace was the only thing in the Cage and someone from the dpverse is the reincarnated Lucifer/Samael, and/or when Lucifer, and/or Co. are locked into the Cage they reawaken in reborn forms in the dpverse.Â
natural disaster au
superphantom au - Vortex attacks Amity Park, and causes those who survive to end up in Oz.Â
neighbors au
superphantom au - Dean stills lives the suburban Dad life, and Danny, Tucker, and Sam move in nearby. Hilarity, and chaos, ensues. Probably.Â
ghost pkmn au
danny phantom/pkmn - Danny has a snorunt, which most definitely is not female no siree.Â
tattoos au
superphantom au - Anti-possession tattoos are in this season.
for better, for worse au
superfalls au -Â A slightly Dark and serious-ish AU, probably from the start of Weirdmageddon, where everyone is most likely somewhat of an unreliable narrator.
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danny phantom:
dp (danny phantom) / dp.exe
dp text / dp.txt / dp.docx / dp txt
dp fic / dp.rtf / fic
dp art / dp.png / dp.jpg / dp.jpeg / dp.sai / dp.psd / art
dp au / dp.error / dp.run
dp episodes
includes specific AUs (ex. space au, etc.)*
space au // mutant town au // reverse trio au // eldritch danny au
evil danny // overpowered danny // reverse au // teen vlad au // ghost trio au
gem au // halfa trio au // dragon au // gem au // a snapping sound au
superphantom:
superphantom (dp/spn) //Â
sp text //Â
sp fic //Â
sp au
supernatural:
spn (supernatural) // spn.exe
spn text / spn.txt
spn episodes //
spn fic / spn.rtf
spn au / spn.error
trueform castiel
batpoopwrite / batpoopart
silly phonetic
audio // playlist
dpxdc
dpxdc txt // dpxdc art // dpxdc fic
*will add as i remember/find them
etc:
crossover / xover
gravity falls / phantom falls // superfalls
noragami
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adventure time / phantom time
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guess which show I binged while sickâŚ(canât fucking watch anything without thinking up a dp au for it)
danny phantom teen titans crossover au idea
 Vlad tricks the Fentons into sending danny to Hive Academy (so he can learn to be his evil apprentice/son or some shit). maybe by saying that its a super prestigious school that anyone would kill to attend, or like, its a school that specializes in helping troubled youth and setting them up on the path to successes (yeah successful super villains), or some other vapid nonsense. either way Jack and Maddie fall for it and decide to send Danny there.
Danny probably doesnât know exactly what Hive Academy(H.A.) is about, but he knows enough to understand that he doesnât want anything to do with the place. maybe cause Vlad said something to him, or he overheard Vlad talking to someone about him attending. but he doesnât get a choose about going, cause Jack and Maddie think itâll fix dannyâs school problem.(it wonât, its just replacing 1 set of problems for another)
from there, there would be a lot of danny+sam+tucker freaking out about danny not being there to protect the town from ghosts(maybe Jazz and Valerie too) And them trying everything they can think of to get danny out of it. nothing works but they still try.
after that Im not really sure about the specific stuff. Danny would probably do really well at H.A. cause the whole point of the place is to teach super powered kids how to use those powers (even if the reason completely clashes with dannyâs morals) And then maybe Danny meets another kid there that doesnât want to be a villain so the 2 of them team up to⌠idk, rat the school out to the heroes and shit happens from there.
Danny would totally top the hierarchy there with his range of powers and experience. Perhaps he mightâve tried to limit what abilities he used at the school (trying to pass as meta-human, using his powers in human form only) but after a while he starts lowering his guard around other kids (Dannyâs no longer the weird kid with powers, here he have other kids going through similar things as him and theyâve accepted him into their group) heâll loosen up and reveal more of his abilities.
Teaming up > maybe this could be during the episode where Cyborg infiltrated HA?
Also I just realized that Vladâs plan would backfire on him, Brother Blood defintely wonât let go of Danny once he saw the Dannyâs abilities.
you make a good point! Danny would totally be the one of most popular kids at H.A.Â
Even if he limited himself to just his base 3 powers (intangibility, invisibility, and flight) heâd probably still be the best fighter there. cause like Danny has actual combat experience against opponents that want him dead(-er than he already is) in situations where he canât use his powers (like in âPirate Radioâ or âMaternal Instinctâ)
as for being accepted into a group I feel Danny would be too on edge (most of the kids are villains in training) to ever âjoinâ any group. but heâd probably chill out enough to be like that loner kid that isnât part of any 1 friendgroup but floats between all of them.
also in the Teen Titans show everyoneâs always in their hero or villain get ups, like they donât bother with any secret identity stuff. And even in H.A. theyâre in villain outfits. so Danny would likely just go as Phantom under like a fake name and wear something over his jumpsuit to hide his symbol. (Vladâs the one that sent him there, so he had to fill out all the paperwork. He probably put down his name as like⌠Daniel masters apprentice of Plasmius or something)
I donât think Danny would team up with cyborg in the 1st H.A. episode (feels too easy) I think what happened to H.A. 1.0 would give Danny the idea to rat out H.A. 2.0 to the heroes and thatâs what would cause the bumblebee episode.(not sure if Danny should still be at H.A. at that point or if him and his accomplice should have already left by then)
oh! and yeah! Brother blood would totally be an issue for Danny and his fellow hive escapee. maybe if the story goes beyond the point of Danny rating out H.A. he could be like an even crazier fruit-loop that Danny and his ex-villain friend have to deal with on top of Vlad.
Hehehehe @tkdrawsstuff alternatively,, Danny capitalizes on the fact that Vlad has been boasting about his âprodigy boyâ and really gassing him up to the uh, his evil peers or whatever, and he just.. takes the opportunity to mess with them.
He accidentally becomes one of the academyâs most promising students and heâs wearing this the whole time. King shit.
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