obsessed w the idea of grace haunting stratt post-launch, always in the back of her mind. ack this movie has taken over my brain recently :") anyway i got distracted im getting back to school assignments
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Some more thoughts about Jason Todd and why, while funny, all the headcanons about “x kills the Joker for Jason instead” (Usually some variation of Dick, Talia, Ra’s, or even Jason himself) are completely missing the point of UTRH.
No disrespect to anyone with this post, it’s just that Jason would not suddenly let go of his bitterness if someone else killed the Joker. It just wouldn’t happen.
The Jason-Bruce-Joker conflict will never have a satisfying resolution for Jason, even without taking DC’s opinions of the Joker into consideration because Bruce unintentionally set up a situation in which he must choose between a promise he made as a child in the wake of his parents’ death (his no-kill code) and an unspoken promise he made to Jason before his death.
For context, the “unspoken promise” comes from Batman #425, in which Felipe Garzonas’s father seeks revenge against Jason for his son’s death. In this issue, Bruce explains to Jason why the confrontation happened, and states that “For every action in this universe, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Consequences, Robin. There’s no escaping them.”
He even refers to Garzonas Sr’s actions as “a father’s righteous fury”. It’s not hard to see how a teenager would take this to mean that the natural consequence for killing a son is a father seeking vengeance.
This, combined with the discovery that not only had he died, but that his killer was still alive to brutalize and kill many more, paints a clear picture to Jason. That being, essentially: If Bruce refused to avenge Jason, then Bruce does not consider Jason his son.
Following that line of thought, Jason sets up a choice for Bruce:
Option 1: Allow me to end this clown, turn a blind eye, and prove to me that I’m your son, your family.
Option 2: Save him, and you prove to me that I was never your son, and you don’t care about me like you claimed you did.
With these options, Jason does account for Bruce’s unwillingness to kill with his own hands (more on that in a sec), and offers him an option that allows him to keep both promises, while also ending the terror the Joker continues to inflict then and there.
However, Bruce, unable to reconcile his view of Jason, the killer with his view of Jason, his son (combined with the pressure of Jason about to pull the trigger), breaks this unspoken promise and the kicker is that, in doing so, he breaks the other one as well. Jason’s throat is slit, he bleeds out, and is revived once again as seen by the same visual effects appearing both after he collapses and when he’s revived in his grave. The son dies by the father’s hand, and Batman has taken a life.
This is why it can’t be anyone else. At least, not if the goal is to make Jason happy. The Jason-Bruce-Joker conflict exists as a (very important, in my opinion) moral impasse where Bruce wants Jason, the son but can’t bring himself to look past Jason, the killer — while having also established the mindset that led to the conflict to begin with.
Jason talking to Talia just after his assassination attempt against Bruce in Lost Days.
He emphasizes that he is still furious and didn’t spare Bruce’s life simply because he loved him too much. He needs Talia to know that his anger is legitimate, and that he will not be emotionally dissuaded. I think this is both because he knows Talia loves Bruce, and also because he trusts her and doesn’t want her to invalidate the betrayal he’s feeling.
He recognizes that killing Bruce won’t be enough to give him closure, with some sense that he needs something personal from Bruce, but he still doesn’t have a clear idea of what would be enough and so Talia is able to convince Jason to spend nearly a year training for “all eventualities” in a vague, presumed fight-to-the-death.
Jason talking to Talia again, this time after failing to kill Joker at the end of his training world tour.
Here he is much more relaxed, though no less angry. Jason’s had time to reflect, and so he has a much clearer idea of the moral and personal facets of his grievance. Not only does he realize that pain and punishment alone will not be enough to give him closure, neither will the “objectively moral” act of ridding the world of Joker.
Well, what would be enough? What is it that he needs?
He needs an answer to the question. Contrary to popular assumption, I don’t think Jason’s asking rhetorically here. He needs an explanation, he needs Bruce to make it make sense and it’s not helping that the answer Bruce gives him doesn’t help him figure out the internal conflict he’s been wrestling with in the least. In HUSH Bruce said that even until the very end Jason knew that he was loved— but how does Jason reconcile the memory of that love, with the realization upon coming back that it changed nothing?
UTRH isn't the first time Jason tried to square this circle either. The first time is actually during HUSH- technically his very first appearance. Talia directs Jason towards the same coping mechanism Bruce uses- to become the thing that would prevent the same tragedy from happening to another- but before Jason fully commits to that he has to see Bruce at least once…
Bruce gives him no reaction though, so Jason moves forward. For a while, Jason thinks he has his answer.
It's unpleasant to come to terms with and goes against the truth of what he remembers, but Jason had likely been considering it as the only explanation he could think of for the entire time he was training. Perhaps he had just misunderstood their relationship, and the reason Bruce didn't avenge Jason was simply because Bruce just didn't love him as much as Jason loved Bruce. It's painful but it's something- some way to contextualize events. The period of time when Jason made this remark is when Jason is most mentally stable and sure of himself, even though he isn’t exactly happy. I honestly think it was easier for him to think Bruce didn't love him than to hang in the limbo of confusion.
That's why the finale confrontation of UTRH doesn't happen until after Black Mask puts a hit on Jason, and Batman comes to help him. It should've just been a brawl between gangsters. Bruce himself deliberated about whether to even come. But here he is, just like the first time they ever fought together against Ma Gunn.
It’s a nice moment but it’s the exact kind of thing to get Jason’s hopes up, and as a result destabilize the foundation on which he stands.
It's no surprise then that Jason's response to all this bullshit uncertainty is to force the issue.
If Bruce can’t make it make sense Jason will, he refuses to stay in limbo any longer. Bruce will make a choice, or not make a choice. It doesn’t matter. Because either way Jason will die or Joker will die, and in the end Bruce’s answer wont matter because Jason has drawn his line.
What is the reason he cannot do that/ What could have been his reasons/ his answers/ his explanation not to do that Why, why on God's Earth is he still alive?! What? What, your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line? Why? I'm not talking about killing Penguin or Scarecrow or Dent…
-Why couldn’t he do it for me?
He should have been able to do it/ He really should have done it/ There is no reason why he wouldn't/ couldn't do it. Ignoring what he's done in the past - blindly, stupidly disregarding the entire graveyards he's filled, the thousands who have suffered, the friends he's crippled...! You know, I thought... I thought I'd be the last person you'd ever let him hurt.
-Why couldn’t he do it for me?
Someone like him must have been able to do it/ He could have done it/ He should have done it/ It has to be him that do it/ I wanted it to be him that did it and no one else/ I was ready to do it for him. If it had been you that he beat to a bloody pulp, if he had taken you from this world, I would've done nothing but search the planet for this pathetic pile of evil, death-worshiping garbage... and send him off to hell!
-Why couldn’t he do it for me?
Why can't he actually take that action/ Why does he only pay lip service to wanting to do it without actually following through/ He merely wishes to do it and talks about it, but never actually does it. What? What, your moral code just won't allow for that? It's too hard to cross that line? Why do all the cub scouts in spandex always say that? "If I cross that line, there's no coming back."
-Why couldn’t he do it for me?
Why couldn't he do that particular thing/ not something else/ but only that thing. Why? I'm not talking about killing Penguin, or Scarecrow, or Dent. I'm talking about him, just him.
-Why couldn't he do it for me?
Why couldn’t he do it for that particular reason/ for me/ for this reason/ purpose/ not for any other reason or anything else. And doing it because... because he took me away from you.
-Why couldn’t he do it for me?
I should have been someone who is important to him. Wasn’t I supposed to be his soldier son? Was I not good enough? Would he had do it if it was someone else? And doing it because... because he took me away from you./ Stop! You’ll kill him!/ He took her from me, Robin... Every woman I love, something always takes her from me… / It’s him or me. You have to decide.
*Notes: The comic where this quote comes from gets on my nerve so bad. Yet another comic where Jason is all dumb stupid reckless messy etc etc and the quote above is placed in a context where the full thing goes "Batman lives in the darkness to bring helpless people into the light, so I wonder... why couldn't he do it for me?" like yeah Jason needed to be save by Batman, because he was broken, helpless, ontologically evil etc like he wasn't "the boy who saved himself", and there was also "I was a failure" and "I was his soldier" and the whole thing about Joker in utrh being only "my revenge" like bhjshbfjhsdbf and all the &#$@*&% classism in the comic which I barely remember details because I was reading it in agont and had to skip through most of the comic like. It made me so fucking insane. Send me bw by jb hate post and ily 4ever.
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the situation with harry potter is kind of unprecedented in some ways imo because it is maybe the largest media franchise in history to be created & owned by a single person who still has direct creative control over it. who is also a billionaire with significant cultural/political influence. like the usual "no ethical consumption under capitalism" type excuses shatter on impact when the bigoted author in question is logging onto twitter every day saying explicitly that when you buy the tim hortons ravenclaw donut she is using your donut money to fund the genocide of trans people. like with big franchises usually there's at least a little more diffusion of responsibility than this
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The truth of the matter is that if you’re going to seriously pursue writing, not every line can go hard. It can’t be hard 100% of the time, or the hard just becomes soft. Sometimes the line just has to get the writing from point a to point b.
dont forget that YOU 🫵 are the backbone of this fandom. oh but im not a- DONT CARE. write a bad fic, draw that silly art, make that tumblr post with your headcannon. oh but i have nothing to share- DONT CARE. kudos that fic, write a nice comment, gush in the tags of a reblog.
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Can I be honest. I think the world may have had enough of American poets writing pieces about how it's weird to go about daily life while your government commits genocide abroad. I don't know if anyone needs to do another one of those
in all fairness it really is a bizarre/depressing/powerless feeling and it's not weird to explore that through art. But at some point it really just starts to feel like navel gazing. Like are these really the experiences and viewpoints we need to be centering right now
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