Han

Jumping fandoms back to my beloved 😗✌🏻

This is your first fandom, isn’t it?

Bitch please.

When antis realize that you don’t need either character to care or even like each other to ship them (also them not caring about each other is YOUR interpretation. Their fucked up relationship is as much of a mystery as whatever the fuck is going on in Ciel’s family lore).

It may not be labeled a BL but that also doesn’t really stop people from being able to ship something…

Besides, it heavily falls under ‘BL trying to not be labeled a blatant BL but has major fanservice for the BL lovers’ Category (a lot like Free! Does if you think about it). Cuz you are blind if you don’t see the very clear and very blatant BL/Shota fanservice Yana practically spoon feeds you (and no, I’m not talking about the corset scene. How new are you??)

however i also learnt that a lot of people are shipping sebaciel, and i honestly see it, there's a lot of scenes that hints on it, and it's very obvious that the studio is teasing it.

I personally don't ship anyone, maybe it's because I'm new to this fandom and I still don't know much about it, but i still get the appeal. however, for me, I don't ship sebastian with anyone, i can't see him being lovey dovey with anyone at all.

I see a lot of people against this ship because of the age difference, but isn't sebastian already hundred years old? no matter what age ciel is there will still be a huge age gap. there's a lot of tropes that has this insane age gap between the two main characters, people will see an adult human in a relationship with a demon over hundred years old and won't bat an eye.

but when it's ciel it's now a problem? i mean, don't get me wrong, ciel is a child and i understand why they are mad about this ship, but this story follows ciel through his childhood.

and i really don't get how people can say that its pedophilia, we're talking about a demon here, not a human. demons don't have the same desires as humans, you can't compare a demon to a human. these fucked up desires that humans have are not the same as the ones demons have.

what's annoying me the most is how overly s3xualized ciel is, it's sickening. i just hope that they stop the sus scenes with ciel, I don't think anyone here enjoys it, or at least i hope no one is.

I also read a post about how sebaciel helps people who have been SA'd to recover, the idea of ciel having full control of what sebastian can do to him is really cool. sebastian can't do anything without ciel's consent.

I'm in love with them, their dynamic is just a chef's kiss. i mean, can you blame me? the author WANTS you to ship them, the little hints she makes? the official arts where they slap sebaciel in your face? these little moments when you can't help but romanticize? it's impossible to not ship them, the author knows what she's doing and i love her for that.

however i also learnt that a lot of people are shipping sebaciel, and i honestly see it, there's a lot of scenes that hints on it, and it's very obvious that the studio is teasing it.

I personally don't ship anyone, maybe it's because I'm new to this fandom and I still don't know much about it, but i still get the appeal. however, for me, I don't ship sebastian with anyone, i can't see him being lovey dovey with anyone at all.

I see a lot of people against this ship because of the age difference, but isn't sebastian already hundred years old? no matter what age ciel is there will still be a huge age gap. there's a lot of tropes that has this insane age gap between the two main characters, people will see an adult human in a relationship with a demon over hundred years old and won't bat an eye.

but when it's ciel it's now a problem? i mean, don't get me wrong, ciel is a child and i understand why they are mad about this ship, but this story follows ciel through his childhood.

and i really don't get how people can say that its pedophilia, we're talking about a demon here, not a human. demons don't have the same desires as humans, you can't compare a demon to a human. these fucked up desires that humans have are not the same as the ones demons have.

what's annoying me the most is how overly s3xualized ciel is, it's sickening. i just hope that they stop the sus scenes with ciel, I don't think anyone here enjoys it, or at least i hope no one is.

I also read a post about how sebaciel helps people who have been SA'd to recover, the idea of ciel having full control of what sebastian can do to him is really cool. sebastian can't do anything without ciel's consent.

I'm in love with them, their dynamic is just a chef's kiss. i mean, can you blame me? the author WANTS you to ship them, the little hints she makes? the official arts where they slap sebaciel in your face? these little moments when you can't help but romanticize? it's impossible to not ship them, the author knows what she's doing and i love her for that.

so we all pretty much had the thought of mori ougai being a pedophile including me, and these thoughts came to my mind because of a few scenes.

the first scene is when mori was talking with kouyou and during the conversation he said "I prefer the women in my life to be under twelve". this sounds so wrong when you know nothing about his character.

so, let's discuss this scene, he did say he prefer 12 year old girls, but he never said in wich way, it doesn't have to be a sex*ual way or a romantic way, it may have been meant to be platonic, mori doesn't have any children besides elise (I'm going to talk about her after discussing everything about this scene), he doesn't have any 'twelve years old women', so in a way he could've meant that he doesn't want to get married or be in a romantic relationship, and that he just prefers to spend his time taking care in children (he does lead an orphanage in beast).

now, about elise, we know that she's mori's ability (Vita Sexualis) wich is named after a book written by irl mori, the book despite its name it doesn't have anything sexual, the book talks about the author's experience in sexuality, questioning if he's asexual, saying that he doesn't feel any need for it.

so why would asagiri base an ability about feeling no need for sex*ual things and make the ability itself about the sex*ual preferences for the ability's holder? it makes no sense to me.

i also once saw someone saying that the irl mori was pedo himself, but they gave no evidence, so i searched it up, and there was literally nothing about him being attracted to children, no rumors, no articles no nothing. it would honestly be so disrespectful towards irl mori from asagiri to base a character off of him and make the character a pedo.

the second scene that was also brought up so much in these conversations was the one where he said to yosano "my yosano". and honestly now, yosano was a tool for him, she provided victory for the army from her ability, so he considered her a useful tool for him, his tool, he used her and her ability.

if you have something to add please don't hesitate to tell me.

Firstly, the 12 yo thing.

This is used a lot for “proving” that Mori is a pedo, but, this is another of the mistranslations, in the chapter 37 in the EN version he says “I’m touched, but the only girls I protect are aged twelve and under I’m afraid” yet in the ESP version it says “I’m very happy to hear that, but I’m only interested in those under twenty, you know?” In the anime if you put the JP audio and English subtitles it says “I’m grateful, but I deal only with those under twelve” however if you put the English audio it says “I’m quite grateful for that, but I prefer the woman in my life to be under twelve” which- absolutely sounds weird however the JP version and the JP version, from what I understand says “I’m happy but my defense range is under 12 years old” So, the prove that a lot of people use are straight up mistranslation because on every language it is different and it even variates from the manga to the anime.

Second, Omake 12

Omake 12, Mori says that Elise is his wife, however is that really what it should have said?

Bsd has a LOT of mistranslations, for example with Yosano in the Spanish version it isn’t specified who dragged her into the war, yet the English version says that Mori was the one who dragged her into the war. In the JP version, it doesn’t say so, in the JP he says tsuma (妻), and while yes, if you put tsuma on the traductor it says wife, is the traductor really reliable? It isn’t. Tsuma goes from “side” and “edge”, indicating someone who is at the side of someone else, tsuma has historically been used for someone/something by the side, it depends on the context of the situation but honestly for this context I believe it makes sense to use the historical version. Mori could have perfectly used Okusan (奥さん) that directly mean wife, again I believe it’s a clear reference to the irl author who give things to interpretation a lot of times.

Third, Chapter 65

In this chapter a lot of people think that Mori was a creep to Yosano because he liked her, and I honestly agree, he was creepy, but not because of that, it was because a doctor, finds someone who can heal all injuries, he felt fascination and obsession in a non-romantic way. Let’s start talking about some panels. I want to talk about this one a bit "先週まで和菓子屋の店番だった妾をアンタが無理やり徴用したんだろ" 先週まで before the last week. 和菓子屋 shop where you buy wagashi, Japanese sweets. 店番 shop assistant. だった the end of plain and informal, not-past sentence. "Before the last week l was a shop assistant in the bakery, ..." The strangest part is kanji 妾. Traductor says, it means concubine or mistress. In manga we read it as atashi, アタシ, one of the female pronouns.

The anime did an awfully bad job with this panel too, in this panel Mori says, “Such a strong will….” While having tears in his eyes and a nosebleed, however rather than being a nosebleed because of Yosano per se, its because of the strong will she has, the confidence she has. Mori represses his feelings due to being the pm boss and going always by the logical solution, in a lot of times he has been shown with regret on his face, an example being the fight with Fukuzawa, so the nosebleed is because of admiration while the tears are because of him deep down wanting to have that will. Also, his expression changed when looking at her before having the tears and nosebleed.

Next panel, basically a lot of people think that mori has an attraction towards Yosano because of this panel, in this panel he says “よ·さ·のくん私の与謝野君がお気に召したかね?” which means “Did you like my Yosano-kun?” which does sound creepy, but let me explain: by calling Yosano “his” is a teasing. He ends his sentence in “だよ” which is the informal or friendly ending to a sentence and in this context, Yosano was a sponsored medical student, most likely, Mori is her sponsor. Mori wasn’t the only one who acted that way towards Yosano, other soldiers did too, but why would they? Because she was useful, with the soldiers it was rather admiration for such an ability but that doesn’t change that the way they acted is weird. Mori not only admired Yosano due to her strong will, but because of her ability too. She was useful to war, and therefore she should not be attached because they could not only end up having hatred towards her which would cause her mental health to be worse, and or those soldiers could get killed and it would also affect her mental health. Sure, Mori did abuse her however it was never his direct choice to, sure shooting someone in front of her and forcing her to heal them did affect a lot on her mental health, but we also have to understand that going by Mori’s logic it would be better if she was willing to heal them without the necessity of them being at the border of death (it is shown that she COULD heal minor things).

There is a lot of mistranslations that led to this huge misunderstanding, and the studio has changed multiple panels, changing the expressions of the characters and pulling the feelings out of them, the studio has done this a lot of times, like for example this panel:

You can see that in the manga that dazai is shocked, but in the anime he seems amused.

and in this panel:

In manga, it shows a creepy, evil smile, while in the anime they look like perverts.

look at dazai's eyes, in the manga they're lifeless, devoid of emotions, while in the anime they're full of emotions, full of life.

there are a lot of other panels too, but i don't want to make this too long.

and yes, when mori referred to elise as his 'wife' it was a mistranslation. he referred to her as his 'long time partner' wich makes sense because she's literally his ability.

mori is manipulative, and children are the easiest targest, wich is probably why he prefers to have them around over adults, who are harder to manipulate, unless you're smarter than them. but you can't guarantee that you're smarter than everyone, can you?

also, do you think kouyou or anyone would still support and respect him if he was a pedo?

it is clear that the pm holds respect to the boss, but would they respect him knowing that he's a pedo? i don't think so.

As for yosano and mori's relationship, just like i said before, she's a tool, an important one, he doesn't hold any romantic feelings for her, he's someone who uses others for his advantage.

And most importantly, there's no evidence that he ever touched a child, did he destroy childrens mental health? absolutely. did he touch them inappropriately? no.

and just for a reminder, i'm not saying that he's a good person, not at all. i'm just saying that he's misunderstood as a pedo.