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I feel like the reason most people on here donβt like Sterek as much is that they automatically assume all Sterek fans hate Scott? Iβm mostly new here so thatβs what Iβm going off of based on old discourse, but most of the currently active sterek blogs seem chill now
that's for sure some of it. i think a lot of sterek fans hated scott because they liked derek and the writers kind of treated him like shit sometimes.i think both characters have they're flaws but i love them both tbh.
i feel like as long as people tag they're stuff correctly than they can hate whatever they want
personally i don't like a Bad Friend Scott Mccall tag that's too ooc, reason why i despise this tag in the first place cause it can either mean "he doesn't answer his phone!" or "he kills puppies for fun"
i also think a lot of people hate sterek because of the age gap (tho i lot of sterek fans age stiles up) and think sterek fans are irl pedos because some of us might read stuff with underage stiles, it's not like they bother to actually interact with the fandom, ask why we actually ship sterek (guess what? for most of us is the emotional connection and how well the characters work together)
plus a lack of fandon/tumblr etiquette and people outside of tumblr not caring about shitting on other people's interests
I will say that my main reason to dislike sterek is all the hatred against Scott (the majority of which is based in racism)
It's why when I look for Teen Wolf fics, I use filters to exclude sterek as a whole. I've run into too many fics that don't even use the 'Scott is a bad friend' tag, but that still bash on Scott. (and with Scott being my fave character, that's a tag that gets filtered out period)
Another problem is that even the 'Scott is a good friend' sterek fics, often have a tendency to essentially turn Scott into a lamp.
Aka he is most often given no role in said stories beyond 'serving Stiles (or Derek's) emotional needs. Or he's just there as a cameo, mentioned, treated as if he's stupid, or 'obsessed' with Allison, and completely turned one dimensional. Ignoring his entire canon personality.
But another big problem for me at least, that keeps me from reading sterek fics, is how many of them write Stiles entirely ooc. I may not be a Stiles fan, but even if I were, it would annoy me how little fanon Stiles has in common with canon Stiles. All his rough sides get sanded off or erased. He gets turned into a Gary Stu, his negative traits ignored or excused. He's turned into a pack mom, which Stiles never was on the show. He's given Scott's role in the story, Scott's relationships with the other characters. (esp. the one Scott canonically has with Derek) He's made insecure, often whiny, doesn't dare stand up for himself in any way.... And instead of focusing on Stiles actual canon positive traits, he's just given Scott's positive canon traits instead...
I'm not saying all sterek fanfics do so, but enough of them do, that it makes me hesitate to even give sterek fics a chance.
im a bit tired so sorry if this is a bit incoherent
a lot of scott hate is so obviously based in racism it's crazy
but also i think some people get really annoyed with how he acts (saying this as someone who likes him) the writers have made him do dumb things and especially in later seasons the connection between characters are all messed up it's ridiculous. i know more than one person who just.. doesn't like him i guess, the same way they don't like allison or derek or other characters
i also saw someone here saying "i have trouble appreciating scott completely because everytime he "wins" someone else loses something usually derek" which i partly but not completely agree with.
i do agree that scott is not mentioned a lot in sterek fics but tbh i feel like not many people are? like i often read sterek fics where other characters are very secondary, tho i do like the ones where he's more included (platonic sciles i love youuu)
i also see a lot of derek hate from scott's fan tbh i feel like they are two character which can be easily put against each other (which is a shame since i actually think they're dynamic is quite interesting) reason why i have both the anti scott and anti derek tags blocked
with stiles being ooc: yes. yes he is. i dont mind all that much if the story and writing is good but with stiles being such a popular character, probably the most popular in the teen wolf fandom, i think it's normal for him to be changed by fans, i've seen it happen times and times again with popular characters
there's lot of sterek out there so you can find a combination of stuff, i would suggest looking into fic recs by blog instead of just going through ao3. this said it might just not be for you and that's ok
See the part where 'Scott winning means Derek losing' is another one of those things that actually hint at unintentional racism. I know it sounds harsh. But it comes from the notion that Derek is 'owed' certain things.
Like the notion of Derek being 'owed the right to be an alpha', or 'owed a pack'
Now don't get me wrong, Derek is probably my second favorite character on the entire show. Right after Scott. There's a reason I love scerek so much.
Derek's growth over the course of the show, was one of the best examples of character development the show had, right along with Scott's and Lydia's. Because those are the three characters who grew the most, and character development is like katnip for me ;-)
But part of that character development had to come from Derek facing consequences for his mistakes, just like Scott did. Because like Lydia and Scott, Derek actually is forced to face consequences for his bad behavior.
When Derek went from antagonist and mirror to Scott in s1 to becoming a full on villain in s2, we see the consequences of this in his relationship with his pack.
He doesn't lose his pack because of Scott, he loses his pack, because he's using them, because he's taking advantage of them. He loses Scott's trust, because he betrays Scott, because he lies to Scott. And as a direct consequence his pack rejects him, Boyd and Erica run away, Isaac leaves him for Scott... And Scott flat out calls him out and rejects him in masterplanner.
But it's 'because' of this, and because in s3 Derek starts learning from his mistakes, that he becomes a better person, and as a result a more interesting character.
When he gives up his alpha spark, it's just such a moment of growth for Derek. Of giving up that toxic masculinity and need to be dominant, and to choose love and family over power. It's something his uncle Peter has been utterly incapable of. And it's why Derek eventually finds himself as part of the pack, whereas Peter remains an omega, even after he's reunited with his daughter.
The problem for a lot of fandom is that they are used to seeing the dark broody anti hero be the main character. It's the clichΓ©, the boring expected outcome. With of course said dark broody anti hero eventually proven right, and everyone has to apologize to the poor dark woobie and grovel for his forgiveness...and they resent Scott for being the main character instead. They resent Scott for not just stepping out of the way, and letting Derek (or Stiles) be the main character instead.
After all, that's what most shows would have done. The poc char gets to be the leader, or the main char stand in, till the white guy is ready for leadership, and takes up the position. (just look at what Teen Titans did with Aqualad and Robin)
Because teen wolf didn't go with the boring clichΓ© that they expected the show to go for. Instead the show subverted the clichΓ© and gave Derek actual growth, allowing him to mature instead and to become a better character as a result.
People talk about 'Scott doing dumb stuff' which of course, he's a teenager, doing dumb stuff is part of that. (though these same people also complain about Scott being 'too perfect' without any hint of realizing that this is a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't paradox)
But you don't see these same people focus on all the dumb shit that Stiles does. (and to far greater degree than Scott does)
When Stiles, or Derek, or Isaac, or Jackson... behaves flawed, or immaturely.. when they make mistakes, it's seen as 'making them more interesting', or excused with 'they're just kids', but with a Latino character like Scott, any flaw, or mistake he makes, gets instantly condemned and is treated as damning. And even sixteen year old kid Scott is expected to behave more instantly mature, more like an adult, than an actual adult like Derek. Because poc kids like Scott don't get to be kids, and they sure as hell aren't given the lenience that white characters are treated with. (this also happens with female characters like say Allison. Whose mistakes are treated far more harshly than far worse mistakes made by white male characters)
It's esp noticeable how often people give Scott flaws that he doesn't even have, while ignoring his actual canon flaws, because they don't fit the stereotype they try to push Scott into.
It actually makes it hard to talk about Scott's actual flaws, his actual mistakes, because far too often posts about those are used not to discuss Scott's actually character, but are used instead as an excuse to attack him even more.
Take the scene in Lies of Omission, where Scott confronts Stiles with the wrench. Fandom often uses this scene to condemn Scott, when if you actually look at the scene, Stiles is the one actually at fault.
I've even seen Stiles fans claim 'well Scott is at fault for talking about it with Stiles at that point, instead of delaying it' (or something along those lines)
But those same fans don't point out that Stiles had a chance to tell Scott about Donovan's death for over a week, if not longer, ... It's Stiles lies that led to that situation, and Stiles refusal to ask questions about just what Theo told Scott. But somehow Scott is supposed to be completely emotionally detached and logical and ask Stiles all the right questions, while perfectly reading Stiles mind... Despite all the trauma Scott is going through at that point. Despite Stiles attack on Scott, despite Stiles throwing abuse at Scott...
That's part of what I mean when I say that often Sterek fics, push Scott into the 'lamp' mode or 'fluffy teddybear' mode even in 'Scott is a good friend' fics. whereas in 'stiles is a bad friend' often they just push Stiles' and Derek's canonical negative traits onto Scott.
These same fics can go on and on about Isaac's trauma, or Liam's trauma, or Jackson's trauma. While still focusing on Stiles and Derek.
Yet for Scott it's like they completely flatten his portrayal and limit him entirely to being Stiles' emotional support. If you replaced him with a teddybear, he'd have the exact same role, which is something these writers don't do with other characters, aka white male characters.
I'm not saying people can't have character preferences. But it just gets hard to ignore when people claim to hate Scott's character, for traits he canonically does not have. And when it's obvious they weren't paying any attention to the show itself, and are basing their dislike of the character on how he's portrayed in fanfic, or assumptions they have on whom they assume him to be, rather than on what the character was actually like in canon. Along with a strong refusal to think deeper on the character beyond the surface level.
first of all, love this take, i agree with a lot of it
second i again hope this makes sense since english is not my first language
i don't think derek is owned anything, i think he tried his best as an alpha but his view of what it entails is so skewed, i always saw him as trying to act like the 'idea' of an alpha, like his mother. he tries to follow this idea of alpha instead of trying to be an alpha in his own way which is why i think scott succeeds and derek fails, scott decides to do things his own way, find his path, lead with kindness.
for "losing things" i think it's more tied to how sometimes scott doesn't think about consequences, for example how scott was more ready to side with a family of hunters that historically have killed his kind than a guy who has been a werewolf his whole life and tells him they're are dangerous, tho he does it in the worts way possible, derek you idiot. how scott getting what he wants sometimes means doing something reckless. i do think people obsess a bit much over it since he also gives up a lot to keep people safe
while i do agree that derek in antagonistic i wouldn't call him an outright villain in season 2, (he's supposed to be anywhere from 19 to 22 from various stipulation from the fandom which i agree to so quite young) i feel like he's trying to protect his secret, he's scared of losing everything again and thinks, wrongly, that forcing scott to comply is the only way to keep everyone safe.
one of the things i laugh and scream about the most is how everyone in this series is kind of dumb! they're all humans and make mistakes, scott, stiles, derek, allison,etc it can be annoying sometimes but it feels realistic
it's been a while since i've watched all of teen wolf (im doing a rewatch rn) and while i do agree with you partly about the fight in Lies Of Omission i do think that scott and stiles are both at fault.
i saw an incredible analysis (i've reblogged it quite some time ago so idk if i could find it again) on how that conversation was always going to end in a fight because it's not really about what's happening in that moment but about scott and stiles as people, the tension that's been rising since tbh season 1.
stiles sees scott as "invincible" and righteous and himself as weak (to summarize) so to him there was no other choice, he did what he could to protect the people he loved (which is one of stiles main characteristics) he thinks scott could never understand him because his werewolves abilty makes it "easier" for him to choose the right path, he can do stuff others cant, stiles is incredibly stressed and wants his best friend, who he sees as a person who has good morals, to tell him he couldn't have done anything differently.
on the other side we have scott, who has always been afraid of being a monster because he's a werewolf, he sees being human as salvation, he thinks evil comes from werewolfhood instead of from the action of men (or at least he tells himself that), so when stiles, his best friend who has been human all along, the only constant in his life, doing something horrible that he can't understand, everything falls apart, if even humans can do horrible things what is gonna stop him from doing it?
these are obviously flawed reasonings but stiles and scott are young and thrown in impossible situations
to the scott hate i do think a lot of it comes from internalized racism but i do think sometimes people jump the gun a bit quickly, one of my friends doesn't like him (and other characters like jackson and allison) because she finds them "illogical"(which it's why i like them lol)she think scott should have listen to people with more experience about being a were and been more careful, she thinks jackson is an asshole who cares more about power than being safe and she thinks allison is irresponsible
this said if your favorite character is scott you're probably not gonna like sterek because,, well,, he's not in it, the same way malia isn't, or lydia, or jackson or whatever. sterek is about stiles and derek so most other characters are pretty secondary.
scott is the main character of teen wolf, which i think he's perfect for, i don't think stiles or derek would've been good mc, but he's not the main character of sterek and he's not supposed to be. i wouldn't read sciles fanfics and expect derek to be a big character.
i also have to say that my original post wasn't really about people who hate sterek because they like scott but people that hate sterek because they think it makes no sense, that people only like it because they think it's hot or that sterek shippers are groomers or some shit
don't have much time to go full on in response (might do that later ;-))
But just wanted to point out one thing.
In s1 Scott actually does try and learn from Derek. Stiles is the one telling him not to do so. Repeatedly Scott keeps giving Derek chances, whereas Stiles tells Scott that he's an idiot for trusting Derek, or even listening to Derek. Scott doesn't even tell Allison he's a werewolf, until she finds out at the worst moment possible, when her father is forcing Scott to out himself.
When Scott said 'the Argents might have had a reason', he does so based on the information Derek himself has given him.
Aka Derek's claim that sooner or later, Scott will end up harming someone. It's Derek who keeps putting the notion in Scott's head, that Scott will eventually become a threat to the people he cares about.
When Scott goes to him for advice, Derek uses that to make Scott help him against the alpha.
When Scott protects Allison, it's because in s1, she's an innocent, who is not involved in the whole hunters vs werewolves issues.
But Derek, due to his trauma, can't help but project his own fears, his own experiences with Kate, onto Allison.
People forget that Scott met Allison and Derek on the same day, and where Derek was violent and abusive to him, lured him out to the woods, using his feelings for Allison, by taking her sweater...
Allison at that point had been nothing but kind and understanding to him. Giving him a chance when no one else had.
Based on Derek's behavior, and keep in mind, I do get where it's coming from, he's grieving, he's traumatized, he's barely 24 and has never dealt with his family's death, and his guilt over their deaths... but based on his behavior, Scott has no reason to trust Derek.
It's actually illogical for Scott to keep giving Derek all the chances he keeps giving him, esp. in s2, mere weeks after Derek betrayed him twice, first to Peter and then by killing Peter. (after he told Scott that killing Peter might be a cure for Scott)
But because people like the trope that Derek represents (and Hoechlin is one of the show's best actors), they expect Scott to trust him, even when everything he has experienced in s1 (which happens over the course of one month), and everything his best friend Stiles tells him, should convince him to never trust Derek again.
(it's part of why I ship Scerek, because it is probably one of the most complex most interesting, and most developed relationships on the show)
I feel like the reason most people on here donβt like Sterek as much is that they automatically assume all Sterek fans hate Scott? Iβm mostly new here so thatβs what Iβm going off of based on old discourse, but most of the currently active sterek blogs seem chill now
that's for sure some of it. i think a lot of sterek fans hated scott because they liked derek and the writers kind of treated him like shit sometimes.i think both characters have they're flaws but i love them both tbh.
i feel like as long as people tag they're stuff correctly than they can hate whatever they want
personally i don't like a Bad Friend Scott Mccall tag that's too ooc, reason why i despise this tag in the first place cause it can either mean "he doesn't answer his phone!" or "he kills puppies for fun"
i also think a lot of people hate sterek because of the age gap (tho i lot of sterek fans age stiles up) and think sterek fans are irl pedos because some of us might read stuff with underage stiles, it's not like they bother to actually interact with the fandom, ask why we actually ship sterek (guess what? for most of us is the emotional connection and how well the characters work together)
plus a lack of fandon/tumblr etiquette and people outside of tumblr not caring about shitting on other people's interests
I will say that my main reason to dislike sterek is all the hatred against Scott (the majority of which is based in racism)
It's why when I look for Teen Wolf fics, I use filters to exclude sterek as a whole. I've run into too many fics that don't even use the 'Scott is a bad friend' tag, but that still bash on Scott. (and with Scott being my fave character, that's a tag that gets filtered out period)
Another problem is that even the 'Scott is a good friend' sterek fics, often have a tendency to essentially turn Scott into a lamp.
Aka he is most often given no role in said stories beyond 'serving Stiles (or Derek's) emotional needs. Or he's just there as a cameo, mentioned, treated as if he's stupid, or 'obsessed' with Allison, and completely turned one dimensional. Ignoring his entire canon personality.
But another big problem for me at least, that keeps me from reading sterek fics, is how many of them write Stiles entirely ooc. I may not be a Stiles fan, but even if I were, it would annoy me how little fanon Stiles has in common with canon Stiles. All his rough sides get sanded off or erased. He gets turned into a Gary Stu, his negative traits ignored or excused. He's turned into a pack mom, which Stiles never was on the show. He's given Scott's role in the story, Scott's relationships with the other characters. (esp. the one Scott canonically has with Derek) He's made insecure, often whiny, doesn't dare stand up for himself in any way.... And instead of focusing on Stiles actual canon positive traits, he's just given Scott's positive canon traits instead...
I'm not saying all sterek fanfics do so, but enough of them do, that it makes me hesitate to even give sterek fics a chance.
im a bit tired so sorry if this is a bit incoherent
a lot of scott hate is so obviously based in racism it's crazy
but also i think some people get really annoyed with how he acts (saying this as someone who likes him) the writers have made him do dumb things and especially in later seasons the connection between characters are all messed up it's ridiculous. i know more than one person who just.. doesn't like him i guess, the same way they don't like allison or derek or other characters
i also saw someone here saying "i have trouble appreciating scott completely because everytime he "wins" someone else loses something usually derek" which i partly but not completely agree with.
i do agree that scott is not mentioned a lot in sterek fics but tbh i feel like not many people are? like i often read sterek fics where other characters are very secondary, tho i do like the ones where he's more included (platonic sciles i love youuu)
i also see a lot of derek hate from scott's fan tbh i feel like they are two character which can be easily put against each other (which is a shame since i actually think they're dynamic is quite interesting) reason why i have both the anti scott and anti derek tags blocked
with stiles being ooc: yes. yes he is. i dont mind all that much if the story and writing is good but with stiles being such a popular character, probably the most popular in the teen wolf fandom, i think it's normal for him to be changed by fans, i've seen it happen times and times again with popular characters
there's lot of sterek out there so you can find a combination of stuff, i would suggest looking into fic recs by blog instead of just going through ao3. this said it might just not be for you and that's ok
See the part where 'Scott winning means Derek losing' is another one of those things that actually hint at unintentional racism. I know it sounds harsh. But it comes from the notion that Derek is 'owed' certain things.
Like the notion of Derek being 'owed the right to be an alpha', or 'owed a pack'
Now don't get me wrong, Derek is probably my second favorite character on the entire show. Right after Scott. There's a reason I love scerek so much.
Derek's growth over the course of the show, was one of the best examples of character development the show had, right along with Scott's and Lydia's. Because those are the three characters who grew the most, and character development is like katnip for me ;-)
But part of that character development had to come from Derek facing consequences for his mistakes, just like Scott did. Because like Lydia and Scott, Derek actually is forced to face consequences for his bad behavior.
When Derek went from antagonist and mirror to Scott in s1 to becoming a full on villain in s2, we see the consequences of this in his relationship with his pack.
He doesn't lose his pack because of Scott, he loses his pack, because he's using them, because he's taking advantage of them. He loses Scott's trust, because he betrays Scott, because he lies to Scott. And as a direct consequence his pack rejects him, Boyd and Erica run away, Isaac leaves him for Scott... And Scott flat out calls him out and rejects him in masterplanner.
But it's 'because' of this, and because in s3 Derek starts learning from his mistakes, that he becomes a better person, and as a result a more interesting character.
When he gives up his alpha spark, it's just such a moment of growth for Derek. Of giving up that toxic masculinity and need to be dominant, and to choose love and family over power. It's something his uncle Peter has been utterly incapable of. And it's why Derek eventually finds himself as part of the pack, whereas Peter remains an omega, even after he's reunited with his daughter.
The problem for a lot of fandom is that they are used to seeing the dark broody anti hero be the main character. It's the clichΓ©, the boring expected outcome. With of course said dark broody anti hero eventually proven right, and everyone has to apologize to the poor dark woobie and grovel for his forgiveness...and they resent Scott for being the main character instead. They resent Scott for not just stepping out of the way, and letting Derek (or Stiles) be the main character instead.
After all, that's what most shows would have done. The poc char gets to be the leader, or the main char stand in, till the white guy is ready for leadership, and takes up the position. (just look at what Teen Titans did with Aqualad and Robin)
Because teen wolf didn't go with the boring clichΓ© that they expected the show to go for. Instead the show subverted the clichΓ© and gave Derek actual growth, allowing him to mature instead and to become a better character as a result.
People talk about 'Scott doing dumb stuff' which of course, he's a teenager, doing dumb stuff is part of that. (though these same people also complain about Scott being 'too perfect' without any hint of realizing that this is a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't paradox)
But you don't see these same people focus on all the dumb shit that Stiles does. (and to far greater degree than Scott does)
When Stiles, or Derek, or Isaac, or Jackson... behaves flawed, or immaturely.. when they make mistakes, it's seen as 'making them more interesting', or excused with 'they're just kids', but with a Latino character like Scott, any flaw, or mistake he makes, gets instantly condemned and is treated as damning. And even sixteen year old kid Scott is expected to behave more instantly mature, more like an adult, than an actual adult like Derek. Because poc kids like Scott don't get to be kids, and they sure as hell aren't given the lenience that white characters are treated with. (this also happens with female characters like say Allison. Whose mistakes are treated far more harshly than far worse mistakes made by white male characters)
It's esp noticeable how often people give Scott flaws that he doesn't even have, while ignoring his actual canon flaws, because they don't fit the stereotype they try to push Scott into.
It actually makes it hard to talk about Scott's actual flaws, his actual mistakes, because far too often posts about those are used not to discuss Scott's actually character, but are used instead as an excuse to attack him even more.
Take the scene in Lies of Omission, where Scott confronts Stiles with the wrench. Fandom often uses this scene to condemn Scott, when if you actually look at the scene, Stiles is the one actually at fault.
I've even seen Stiles fans claim 'well Scott is at fault for talking about it with Stiles at that point, instead of delaying it' (or something along those lines)
But those same fans don't point out that Stiles had a chance to tell Scott about Donovan's death for over a week, if not longer, ... It's Stiles lies that led to that situation, and Stiles refusal to ask questions about just what Theo told Scott. But somehow Scott is supposed to be completely emotionally detached and logical and ask Stiles all the right questions, while perfectly reading Stiles mind... Despite all the trauma Scott is going through at that point. Despite Stiles attack on Scott, despite Stiles throwing abuse at Scott...
That's part of what I mean when I say that often Sterek fics, push Scott into the 'lamp' mode or 'fluffy teddybear' mode even in 'Scott is a good friend' fics. whereas in 'scott is a bad friend' often they just push Stiles' and Derek's canonical negative traits onto Scott.
These same fics can go on and on about Isaac's trauma, or Liam's trauma, or Jackson's trauma. While still focusing on Stiles and Derek.
Yet for Scott it's like they completely flatten his portrayal and limit him entirely to being Stiles' emotional support. If you replaced him with a teddybear, he'd have the exact same role, which is something these writers don't do with other characters, aka white male characters.
I'm not saying people can't have character preferences. But it just gets hard to ignore when people claim to hate Scott's character, for traits he canonically does not have. And when it's obvious they weren't paying any attention to the show itself, and are basing their dislike of the character on how he's portrayed in fanfic, or assumptions they have on whom they assume him to be, rather than on what the character was actually like in canon. Along with a strong refusal to think deeper on the character beyond the surface level.
the only time we see scott truly happy about becoming an alpha is when stiles calls him a hot girl. which i think could inspire some queer analysis

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Trauma in fiction is treated as a currency not as a character trait. And depending on who holds it, the story gives you total immunity or demands you pay for it.
If a white male lead is toxic or cruel, the narrative immediately rushes in to show you his broken childhood or his mental health struggles. Suddenly itβs not about the harm heβs actively inflicting on the people around him, itβs about how much heβs suffering on the inside. His choices get rebranded as trauma responses, and the story flips the burden onto everyone else to heal him, understand him, and forgive him. If his partner sets a basic boundary or asks for an actual apology, the narrative frames them as rigid and unfeeling for not catering to his pain fast enough. Itβs a complete free pass. His past trauma becomes an absolution machine where he never actually has to take responsibility for his own actions because poor him he's so so sad.
But the second you look at female characters or characters of color, that entire grace period disappears. When a POC character has trauma, the story almost never uses it to excuse their bad behavior. Instead their pain is written as baggage they need to deal with quietly so they don't burden anyone else. Theyβre routinely forced into the role of the patient, grounded anchor whose entire narrative purpose is to perform emotional labor for the volatile white lead, completely stripping them of their own right to be angry, complex, or messy. If a female or POC character makes even a minor mistake, reacts out of hurt, or dares to hold the fan favorite accountable, both the narrative and the fandom drop the hammer on them. They get called annoying, selfish, or toxic, while the white guy gets thousands of words of fan essays dissecting his childhood to explain why heβs actually just a broken boy who needs a hug.
Thatβs where the racism and sexism sit so heavy in these spaces. White male characters are given infinite interiority, range, and grace, while marginalized characters are flattened into tools meant to facilitate his growth. Trauma should explain why a character acts the way they do, but it shouldn't be a narrative shield that erases their agency. Real redemption requires facing what youβve done, not using your past as a voucher to treat people like garbage while everyone else pays the price for it.
I feel like the reason most people on here donβt like Sterek as much is that they automatically assume all Sterek fans hate Scott? Iβm mostly new here so thatβs what Iβm going off of based on old discourse, but most of the currently active sterek blogs seem chill now
that's for sure some of it. i think a lot of sterek fans hated scott because they liked derek and the writers kind of treated him like shit sometimes.i think both characters have they're flaws but i love them both tbh.
i feel like as long as people tag they're stuff correctly than they can hate whatever they want
personally i don't like a Bad Friend Scott Mccall tag that's too ooc, reason why i despise this tag in the first place cause it can either mean "he doesn't answer his phone!" or "he kills puppies for fun"
i also think a lot of people hate sterek because of the age gap (tho i lot of sterek fans age stiles up) and think sterek fans are irl pedos because some of us might read stuff with underage stiles, it's not like they bother to actually interact with the fandom, ask why we actually ship sterek (guess what? for most of us is the emotional connection and how well the characters work together)
plus a lack of fandon/tumblr etiquette and people outside of tumblr not caring about shitting on other people's interests
I will say that my main reason to dislike sterek is all the hatred against Scott (the majority of which is based in racism)
It's why when I look for Teen Wolf fics, I use filters to exclude sterek as a whole. I've run into too many fics that don't even use the 'Scott is a bad friend' tag, but that still bash on Scott. (and with Scott being my fave character, that's a tag that gets filtered out period)
Another problem is that even the 'Scott is a good friend' sterek fics, often have a tendency to essentially turn Scott into a lamp.
Aka he is most often given no role in said stories beyond 'serving Stiles (or Derek's) emotional needs. Or he's just there as a cameo, mentioned, treated as if he's stupid, or 'obsessed' with Allison, and completely turned one dimensional. Ignoring his entire canon personality.
But another big problem for me at least, that keeps me from reading sterek fics, is how many of them write Stiles entirely ooc. I may not be a Stiles fan, but even if I were, it would annoy me how little fanon Stiles has in common with canon Stiles. All his rough sides get sanded off or erased. He gets turned into a Gary Stu, his negative traits ignored or excused. He's turned into a pack mom, which Stiles never was on the show. He's given Scott's role in the story, Scott's relationships with the other characters. (esp. the one Scott canonically has with Derek) He's made insecure, often whiny, doesn't dare stand up for himself in any way.... And instead of focusing on Stiles actual canon positive traits, he's just given Scott's positive canon traits instead...
I'm not saying all sterek fanfics do so, but enough of them do, that it makes me hesitate to even give sterek fics a chance.
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Scott sitting is so funny, because he genuinely looks hopeless and clueless.
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crazy how stiles stilinski picked the cruelest possible thing he could say to his best friend while they were both in a dire and heated situation and were both being actively manipulated by the seasonβs villain and people have the audacity to say shit like βpoor little stilesey boo :(((( big evil scott was being so mean to my wittle baby stiles :(((( scott should die three million times over :(((( for being so cruel to my helpless little angel stiles :((((β
I see so many arguments over what is and isn't "good queer representation" that really just boil down to "y'all are actually arguing over matters of taste and genre preference, which is incredibly subjective and personal."
Worldbuilding where being queer is normalized and queerphobia has no impact on the plot? THAT'S FINE. Worldbuilding that includes queerphobia and tackles the effects of it as part of the story? THAT'S ALSO FINE.
Low-stakes queer romcom where the characters are fluffy and cute? THAT'S COOL. Messy queer drama with toxic people who fuck each other over and clash repeatedly? THAT'S ALSO COOL.
Stories that center the characters' queerness, show a trans character's transition, and are about the queerness as much as the rest of the plot? AWESOME. Stories where the characters' queerness isn't treated as a big deal, and have trans characters whose transition happened before the story entirely? ALSO AWESOME.
You may PREFER one thing or another, but it is actually good to have all these things. It's about variety. It's about queer characters being allowed to exist without censorship. It's about queer artists getting to make things without being told we're a "niche issue" or "adult content." It's about having as many goddamn cakes as the bakery can produce.
At the end of the day, I'd prefer a media landscape with fifty pieces of problematic queer representation over a media landscape with one single piece of queer representation that's trying (and usually failing) to be 100% perfect for everything and everyone.

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