Wanted to add the issue isn't with people acknowledging trans men are men because they areâand I just cut the sentence too early because I thought everyone knew what I was talkikg aboutâbut they aren't CIS men and the kind of sentence I was referring to was "trans men really are the men of the queer community because they're all transmisogynistic predatory birthday boy theyfabs who can't be trusted because they get gender euphoria from harming trans AND cis women and always detransition into safety when they're done ruining things for trans women" which is bonkers transphobic, not "trans men are really men" which is true. I should have phrased it better, again, I kinda assumed people would know what I meant, but trans men are men, they just aren't *cis* men, and that does mean treating them like shit bcs you treat cis men like shit is feminist praxis is actually blatant anti-feminist transphobia, makes you a transphobe, and you need to shut the fuck up and go read some books and spend a bit of open-minded time in any queer spaces you have access to.
Also it's fine to talk about a demographic having shitty people who do harmâI have so many critiques about how common biphobia is in lesbain spaces, don't get me started on how misogynistic and biphobic everyone's favorite spphic girl power song 'Good Luck, Babe' isâevery identity group has horrid people in it, but you cannot have a trans man/masc, enby, aro and/or ace, bi/pan/omni/poly, polyam, trans fem/woman, or intersex person, mistreat you and then decide ALL trans men/mascs, enbies, multisexual, polyam, aro and/or ace people, trans fem/women, transhet, and intersex people are your fucking oppressors because they aren't, you're letting suffering turn you into a the very same kind of people who make your life hell and pretend that doesn't make you a shithead who should be ignored. until you grow up.
(Also huge side note but to be fair, 'Good Luck, Babe' isn't the only biphobic shit that gets spread uncritically. I say this with love as someone tmasc as I love trans men and mascs and never would have figured myself out without you.....buuuuuut y'all talking about cis bi men should probably reconsider statements like "I don't feel comfortable dating cis bi men anymore because they're always chasers who want to detransition you" bcs it's the tmasc equivalent of a lesbian(cis or trans) saying she refuses to date bi women because they "always leave you for a man" and neither are okay.
You don't have to date anyone for any reason, but I've seen even trans women say they "refuse to date trans men bcs [equating an identity with individual bigoted behavior] and that does not make me a bigot!!" and that's what some of you sound like. This behavior is not unique to bisexuals or cis men, ANY queer person can abuse and detransition you including OTHER TRANS PEOPLE!! And as a bi transmasc in a relationship with a cis bi man, if y'all could maybe not make it sound like I'm doomed to be abused when discussing chasers that it'd be great. I'm tmasc and I date bi cis men, don't lump me in with your bs "trans guys aren't comfortable dating cis bi men for their own safety" it's not praxis, it's biphobic, and untrue. I do not feel that way.
Just...please consider how bi trans men/mascs feel hearing you associating their sexual identity with shitty people who hate them, and please also consider how me saying "I don't date lesbians because of how biphobic they tend to be" would correctly be taken as lesbophobic even if some lesbians are insanely biphobic. I'm a bi man and a bi woman and I am sick of both of these. If you're gonna talk about this word it better or at least do it where bi people can't see. Thanks.)
Anyway, all that to say, if you hear a queer person say shit about any queer demographics AS A WHOLEA rather than criticizing a small portion or just the person that hurt them, you can ignore them. You can just fucking ignore them. Do no listen to them!
Bigotry is never okay, no matter what.