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The poll received 62 responses total, including one self-admitted joke submission.
Question 1: Who's your favorite character?
Jeong Eunseok / Acacius Duval: 71%
Acacius Duval (Original) and Veric: 6.5% each
Roxana and Rhoswen: 4.8% each
Luka, Raoul, Zaire: 1.6% each
Baby caterpillars: 1.6%
Question 2: Who's your favorite character excluding our main character?
Veric: 35.5%, easily sweeping the competition
Luka: 16.1%
Rhoswen: 9.7%
Raoul: 8.1%
Cynara and Roxana: 6.5% each
Acacius Duval (original): 4.8%
Dagian, Etienne, Jules, Zaire: 1.6% each
Depends on who's on screen: 1.6%
Totally butterfly Eunseok: 1.6%
The [Last Genesis of the Kaleidoscope]: 1.6%
The Tripartite: 1.6% <- Good taste!
I was pleasantly surprised by how many people voted for the original Acacius Duval. I'm glad that he can posthumously receive so much support.
Thank you to everyone who participated in the poll! It was great to hear from you all! Which, of course, brings us to...
Author Q&A
I got quite a few questions about the story, the writing process, and also a little about me.
Where would you say we are in the story so far, and how many more arcs do you have planned out? How much of this plot has been outlined?
I have an approximate outline for Part 1 of 2, with a vague idea for Part 2 that I’m sure will become more solid as I write. I’d say we have at least 8-9 arcs left to cover in Part 1. I don’t think Part 2 will be as long as Part 1. It’s hard to say exactly how long this will end up being.
For reference, as of finishing Arc 4, there are about 250k words in this story.
Do you plan to publish this story officially?
Yes, eventually, definitely as an e-book. I’m not sure how printed copies would work; it might be best to do “novellas,” one per arc.
I also have plans to make epubs for each arc available on the website, but it's been put on hold due to lack of time.
Can I print the story and bookbind it myself?
Yes. I’d love to see the final result if you do!
Please include an appendix/page that lists the titles/proofs/skills of other characters
Now updated on the website.
Is this the author’s first story/piece of fiction?
No, my hobby has been writing stories since I was a kid. Quite a few of my current readers and commenters know me from previously published fanfiction, which I’ve written on and off since high school.
However, this is my first published original work. It’s exciting to finally share one of my original works with the world.
How much do you think the settings & tropes that you're playing with are influenced by East Asian fantasy webnovels/stories, compared to Western ones?
When it comes to webnovels, I read almost exclusively translated East Asian ones. This story is heavily influenced by transmigration academy webnovels, along with a few other genres, such as Saintess romantic fantasies and “transmigrated as a villain into an Otome game” webnovels.
Who did you think the fan favorite will be? How do the actual results compare?
My prediction was that Eunseok would be the most popular, because the main character of a story usually is. This turned out to be the case.
I wasn’t sure who the second favorite would be, but in retrospect, I shouldn’t be surprised that it was Veric. We’ve spent a lot of time with her, after all, and people have been extremely supportive of her since the start. That makes me very happy.
What’s YOUR favorite character?
My favorite character is Eunseok, or else he wouldn’t be our main character. But I have a lot of love for everyone else, too. They’ve all got their own stories.
As for my favorite character excluding Eunseok…? Hmmm. That’s a secret.
Who is your favorite character to draw?
Eunseok because he’s my favorite. But I give everyone designs that I will enjoy drawing.
What do you do for work?
I work on enterprise software as an engineer. Things have been quite shaken up lately due to AI.
So I’ve been contemplating whether to leave my job and try making a career out of writing… The benefits, of course, would be that I would have a lot of time to write. The cons are that, to really make a career/living out of webnovel writing, you’d need a rapid update schedule (1.5-2.5k words per chapter, 5-7 times a week) that would definitely degrade the quality of this story. I don’t know if I’m willing to compromise on that.
A possible compromise would be a Patreon with short updates 3x a week (such as sharing the next scene), whereas the publicly available chapters are published with the same schedule (once a week, with a pause any time I need to finish the next arc).
How are new worlds/frames discovered? Is there any logic behind their internal rules (ie, are there common rules among them?)
The entrance to a Fantasm World will occasionally spawn in Kosmonymia according to the Tripartite’s discretion. They’re usually just found by someone stumbling across the entrance unexpectedly.
The historical period of time that loops in an unsolved Fantasm World usually: 1) is of historical significance, 2) is related to the original world’s ultimate fate, and 3) showcases the potential of that world’s power system or technology. Not every Fantasm World contains an apocalyptic disaster, but if it doesn’t, it usually shows a node in history where the end could have been prevented.
Fantasm Worlds tend to share common geographic features or biomes with the place where they spawn, such as the mild coastal weather common between Fulsgate and KP-04. This is not a hard and fast rule.
If you solve a Fantasm World, then the Tripartite judges you as being capable of handling the disaster that led to its end. For example, since KP-04’s visual disaster was resolved, then it’s fine to release KP-04’s frame to Kosmonymia because you can avoid the same ultimate disaster. It is also then your responsibility to prepare successors who can handle the dangers introduced by a new frame.
Whether this philosophy actually holds up in practice is a different question.
Any juicy frames that you'd want to reveal before they're brought up in-work?
No. They are all surprise tools that will help us later.
Is there a romantic subplot between Acacius and Luka?
There is something much more sinister going on between Acacius and Luka (and also Eunseok and Luka).
That said, I am deliberately following in a very long tradition of transmigration webnovels having weird and kind of gay relationships between the transmigrator and “original protagonist.” So please feel free to read as much or as little into their relationships as you want.
Will there be an identity reveal?
Yes, but due to my tastes, it’s probably far more diabolical than whatever you’re thinking of.
What's your process for brainstorming & plotting important events? Do you tend to plan/outline arcs in detail, or more like just write as you go?
I don’t have a very detailed outline. However, I have a bullet point list of events I want to cover and information that needs to be revealed. These bullet point lists are most detailed for the chapter I’m about to write, when I have the greatest sense of what information needs to be conveyed. They tend to be less concrete for things that are far off in the future, though I have some lynchpin events that I know I want to occur.
When it comes to planning an arc, I often start off with a “feeling” of what I want to happen. Arc 3, the Fantasm World, started with me wanting to cover the classic plot of “school trip gone terribly wrong” as well as introducing Kosmonymia’s “dungeon” system. So I knew I wanted this feeling of desperation, layered schemes, and just barely scraping your way through by the skin of your teeth.
What gave that arc a concrete direction was combining it with a different thought I had, which was, “It’d be kinda funny to force the guy always paying attention to how others perceive him to literally only be able to see the world through other people’s eyes. And then he has to adjust his acting by referencing what they see.” Then I combined that with the butterfly eye spot motif. Connecting together things that you find fun and interesting will take you in novel directions.
So I have a pretty clear direction of where I want to go with a story arc and where I want it to end. I usually have scenes that I want to hit, too. For example, in Arc 1, I had a very clear mental image of Eunseok looking behind Cynara to see the moon path realm losing control, then turning to run; in Arc 2, I had a sense of Linden’s dramatic challenge to a duel. If I can vividly imagine a scene like that, I make sure to write with purpose in that direction.
When making characters, are they typically made to compliment another character, or to explore a certain character concept? What’s your process for character creation?
I tend to start with a trope (“transmigrated as the villain”) or core motif (ex. The Hunt) that I find interesting, and then I build on that by complicating the trope and/or adding additional themes. I like thinking about the personality and motives that drive their actions as well.
Sometimes the trope/motif someone starts from is a “narrative role,” for example, the heirs of the Six Noble Families. Those people needed to exist, to be part of a system of power, and to be important. So from that, I knew they had to be students we see semi-regularly, and they also need backstories/personalities that have them invested in upholding the system as it is. From there, I thought about geography and cultural influence for each family’s “specialty,” and then imagined the kids who might come out of those traditions.
For every character, I also like coming up with an interesting “complication” of their surface-level impression. I like characters who aren’t single-note or straightforward to understand, and I like writing strange people. So that’s how my characters turn out the way they do.
How did you come up with Eunseok & Acacius's characters?
Warning: This section contains statements that may influence your subsequent reading of the story.
My idea for Eunseok started from all the mediocre villain transmigration webnovels I read where someone would transmigrate into a petty villain with a bad reputation and bad deeds under their belt. Then that transmigrator would immediately own up to and apologize for wrongdoings, rectify the past, and wipe the slate clean.
I thought that was pretty boring. After all, if someone has a history of hurting you, would you really be so quick to believe them or forgive them if they said they’d change their ways? Personally, I wouldn’t be convinced. So I thought it would be more interesting to have a transmigrator who was, for one reason or another, invested in keeping up the persona of the villain whose identity they’d taken. It’s only if they’re invested that it feels satisfying for other characters to catch that slip and start digging for answers.
Eunseok was also inspired by a transmigration webnovel where the main character was assumed to be from mundane, modern-world Korea… only to reveal 700 chapters in that he was actually from a Hunter / Tower dungeon world, so he had some extra abilities. That was really funny. But I didn’t want to wait 700 chapters before revealing my protagonist had something else going on, so you get hints that something is off from the start. Like that, his past becomes an important part of the story.
As for Acacius, I knew he had to be a “villain” for Eunseok to transmigrate into. But I thought it would be more interesting if he was a “villain” who knew the future that was coming for him, tried to escape it, and in trying to escape it only changed the trajectory by which he arrived at the same end. By the end, he understood exactly why he’d been that kind of person in the future he saw. I don’t imagine he was very happy about that.
Since Eunseok was going to be someone invested in keeping up a facade, I knew I had to make the separation between him and Acacius clear. Many transmigration novels have the transmigrator inherit the memories of the person whose body they take, while also switching names clearly. I went in the opposite direction of that… Though I have a reason for writing this novel in first person instead of third, where the usage of the main character’s name would be required.
I want to physically bring out this story and use it as a chew toy.
It’s an honor. Chew away!
Once again, thank you to everyone who participated in the survey. I always love hearing from you. Let me know if you'd be interested in a Patreon with advance updates, or any thoughts on that front. Hope to see you around for the next arc!
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"his plan was actually so smart and brave" smart yes of course. but you will notice that part of what's so smart about his plan is that it always puts OTHERS in danger instead of himself and if he is not keeping far from the action he is actively being shielded lmfao. he's not a heroic guy and that's exactly what's so fun about him. love him for who he truly is!!! the man who killed a bunch of cats for the express purpose of throwing kids into mortal peril so wei wuxian would do the grunt work of his revenge plot!!!!!!
he went to the jin guangyao school of machination and improved on the method by caring LESS about "collateral damage" and "morality" and i INSIST you respect that
I hate... fanon archetypes. You know how people sand down their blorbos to fit into the same handful of incorrect quote templates and then they forget their actual canon personalities because they've gone too long without engaging with the source material? I hate it. I hate it. He would not fucking say that. The joke was slightly funny when it was on the office or whatever but we've all heard it over and over with different characters pasted into it how are you still laughing please let me out
The funny character has no other personality traits. Also he's incompetent now. The one who's kind of prickly is just weirdly mean OR sad and did nothing wrong, take your pick. Gotta have the Sunshine Boy. Woman 1 is yass slay badass. Woman 2 is the rest of the cast's Mother. If there's only one woman, she can be both. Do you want to kill yourself yet
I didn't say a fandom but you thought of one, didn't you? That's because they all do this. All of them. You search the main tags for the media of your choice and you will find them there. The same incorrect quotes you've been hearing for years. It's like a time loop. It's my own personal torment nexus
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deeply funny to me when MDZS fans pretend that the first siege of the burial mounds happened because of The Classism :( and not in reaction to the multiple killings, justified or not, that wei wuxian and wen ning committed
Mmm... while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I do think there's some interesting things to be said about who, in the world of MDZS, is allowed to kill - who is entitled to things like self-defense and revenge.
Yes, Wei Wuxian and Wen Ning killed a lot of people - as a direct result of being ambushed and attacked. If WWX had still been an upstanding member of a major sect, with a good reputation and the Jiang at the height of their power backing him, had been jumped by a contingent of Jin cultivators because of a baseless accusation with no proof beyond "trust me bro," nobody in the cultivation world would have batted an eye if he and his faithful retainer sent them home in boxes. (Admittedly the Jin sect heir getting caught in the crossfire would still have been one hell of a complication, but even then I think at least some people would be arguing to call it a tragic accident and I don't think anyone would be condoning wholesale slaughter.) Because as a member of a powerful sect, he would be considered to have the right to defend himself from an attack. As the Yiling Patriarch, he does not.
Killing the guards previously at the prison camp doesn't quite fall into the same classism model, but you can still see this concept at play of who is allowed to defend themself and their family and who isn't. Most people would consider it justified to strike back against someone who mistreats you, kills your friends and relatives, abuses old people and children (were there any kids besides a-Yuan left in the camp when WWX got there?? What do you think happened to the others?), etc... unless ☝ you and your family are associated with a defeated enemy, in which case you'd better shut up and take it.
(See also: Jin Guangyao killing Nie Mingjue is considered a horrific crime, even though NMJ tried to kill him multiple times before and gave every indication of being willing to try again. Who is allowed to do violence? Who is allowed to defend themself?
See also: JGY, now powerful in his own right, wipes out an entire sect - not just the people responsible - in revenge for the murder of a child, and it's seen as right and just. Xue Yang wipes out an entire sect for the cruelly deliberate maiming of a child (and let's be honest, given his poverty and lack of access to medicine it's a minor miracle it didn't kill him), and it's seen as unconscionable. Who is allowed justice? Who is allowed revenge?)
So yes, you're extremely right that the siege wasn't just people rubbing their hands together evilly like "let's go kill all these helpless people because we're so powerful and we can." It absolutely was in response to the violence WWX and WN did! They probably felt horrified and wronged, and justified in their revenge! BUT. I think there's room to argue that they felt so shocked and horrified by the deaths because WWX and WN were not, at that point in the story, part of the class of people who were considered "allowed" to defend themselves against their social betters, let alone people who deserved to have their side of the story heard.
(Before anyone says it, yes I'm aware that I'm kind of folding the "Wen Ning goes berserk" part of the story into the larger "Qiongqi Pass massacre leads to the first siege"; I'm doing so for two reasons. 1, because Wen Ning wouldn't have been in that position if people hadn't reacted the way they had to Qiongqi Pass, and 2, because we only get the story of what happened 2nd/3rd hand, and we know at least part of what we're originally told about it is a lie - WN wasn't destroyed. There's no way to know how much else of the story is unreliable, especially since the people in power have a vested interest in shaping public perception of it. So I'm not gonna try to sift through exactly what happened and make sense of it when we don't actually have a reliable account of it.)
yeah in hindsight you're correct and my original post was lacking nuance. i wrote it rather quickly in reaction to a common phenomenon i see in the fandom, which is to attribute the first siege of the burial mounds solely to wei wuxian's class while not taking into account at all the fact that he did kill a bunch of people.
i also agree that the question you bring up - whose acts of violence are sanctioned by society, and whose are not - is arguably one of the central themes of MDZS. this is especially true in the case of xue yang, as his entire arc is built around this question. as you pointed out, other character (eg. jin guangyao) are allowed to wipe out entire sects with society's full approval, but xue yang doing the same is not socially sanctioned in the same way. and the maiming of xue yang's body, which prompted a lot of xue yang's future violence, would have been unacceptable had it happened to a higher-status character, underscoring the theme that not all acts of the same violence, targets of the same violence, and perpetrators of the same violence are made equal in society's eyes.
that said, one thing i really admire about the writing of MDZS is that it does not make the background characters idiots. there are in fact no shortage of stories about a sad misunderstood protagonist, who due to various reasons - including societal prejudice - is unfairly maligned and persecuted by society; these stories, however, often rely on the background characters perpetrating this persecution to be complete idiots. in order for these stories to work, the background characters often have to have an irrational hatred of the main character that borders on obsessive, such that they will go to ridiculous lengths to ruin the main character's life over literally nothing, even though realistically most people have better things to do with their lives. in order for these stories to work, the background characters also often have to be incredibly stupid, such that they can directly witness the main character being virtuous or harmless and still believe some random antagonist going "but he's Bad!" with zero evidence.
such stories, which makes the average person inside of it a complete moron, are dogshit. happily, though, MDZS is a better-written work, and thus does not suffer from the same problem. one of the smartest things about MDZS is that, if you analyze the story based on what information the average outside observer would have access to, the logic that leads them to the first siege of the burial mounds is reasonable.
as an outside observer, this is all of the information you have access to about the background leading up to the qiongqi pass massacre:
during the sunshot campaign, wei wuxian invents demonic cultivation. he uses it to raise the dead and use them to win the war against the wen.
after the war, wei wuxian continues to use demonic cultivation, refusing to return to the path of righteous cultivation or even carry his sword. he continues to use his demonic cultivation in flashy ways at public events (eg. claiming 1/3 of the prey at the phoenix mountain nighthunt). as a result, demonic cultivator hopefuls start cropping up, hoping to learn this heretical, corpse-desecrating cultivation from him. wei wuxian does nothing to dissuade these people.
furthermore, wei wuxian does not heed the words of his sect leader, and instead openly disrespects him.
wei wuxian crashes a jin party he was not invited to and accuses jin zixun of abusing the wen prisoners under the latter's purview. when jin zixun refuses to tell wei wuxian where wen ning is, wei wuxian threatens to kill everyone gathered ("if i wanted to kill everyone here, who could stop me? who dares stop me?").
upon learning that wen ning is at a labor camp in the qiongqi pass, wei wuxian kills 4 of the supervisors there, escapes with the wen prisoners, and sets up camp in the burial mounds.
wei wuxian's sect leader, jiang wanyin, challenges wei wuxian's actions; this results in a physical fight between the two and yunmeng jiang severing all political ties with wei wuxian.
wei wuxian refines wen ning into the world's most powerful fierce corpse in existence, a feat never before seen in the cultivation world.
wei wuxian continues to publicly use his demonic cultivation, which includes bringing his one-of-a-kind and incredibly powerful fierce corpse with him on nighthunts. as a result, more demonic cultivator hopefuls gather in yiling, hoping to learn demonic cultivation from wei wuxian.
here, there is plenty of room for classism and other prejudices to bias an outside observer against wei wuxian. for example, in #3 of the first list, if wei wuxian had been nobly born (instead of the son of wei changze, jiang fengmian's former servant), then people would probably not gossip about him not respecting his sect leader in the same way that they did in canon. furthermore, had wei wuxian been nobly born, then it is possible that the public would not have viewed his continued usage of demonic cultivation in as negative a light, either (#2 on the list): for example, maybe they would not have seen him claiming 1/3 of the prey at the phoenix mountain nighthunt as an arrogant move in the same way they did in canon, given that nie mingjue also claimed an entire third and no one had any complaints about that.
furthermore, had wei wuxian been nobly born, then it is possible that the public would not have as much of an issue with him publicly challenging jin guangshan and lanling jin on the issue of the wen prisoners. from the narration, it seems that part of the reason why the public takes issue with wei wuxian publicly challenging jin guangshan in this matter is because they view it as wei wuxian, the son of a servant, disrespecting a social better. however, it must be noted that this event happened during a time when yunmeng jiang was very weak, and yunmeng jiang was not invited at all to the party that wei wuxian crashed - a sign of disrespect. thus, even if wei wuxian had been nobly born, it is likely that the public still would have had a problem with wei wuxian challenging jin guangshan and comparing him to wen ruohan, because of yunmeng jiang's weakness as compared to lanling jin.
however, it must be noted that, during the time period of the first list above, classism was not the only bias turning people against wei wuxian. one of the problems people had with wei wuxian was his usage of demonic cultivation (which they did not think of as "ghost cultivation," regardless of whether or not that was what it actually was) itself, because the demonic cultivation itself was already viewed as heretical. even if wei wuxian had been nobly born, his continued open usage of demonic cultivation would still have been viewed as a problem. this bias against demonic cultivation actually has very little to do with classism (no matter how many pseudoacademic essays one might see about demonic cultivation being "democratic" lmao), because the cultural taboo against desecrating the dead has nothing to do with class (and in fact, historically speaking, things were often the other way around: the bodies of the poor get desecrated, while the bodies of the rich do not). keep in mind that this was the same era in which wei wuxian was puppetting around the corpses of dead women to fawn over him - how would you feel if that was the corpse of your daughter, your sister, yourself? did she consent to have her body be used in that way?
furthermore, wei wuxian's open usage of demonic cultivation was inspiring other people to want to learn demonic cultivation as well. even before wei wuxian left yunmeng jiang, demonic cultivation hopefuls were already seeking to learn demonic cultivation from wei wuxian, and from the point of view of the public wei wuxian did not do enough to dissuade them. and this in fact was a massive problem, as it meant more people were being swayed off what society considered to be the righteous path.
the other non-classist prejudice that biased people against wei wuxian was anti-wen bias. this is notably not classism: before the sunshot campaign, qishan wen was the most powerful sect in the cultivation world. the wen remnants are not commoners; they are fallen nobility. the remaining wen being persona non grata postwar has nothing to do with classism and instead has everything to do with the atrocities the sect the public associates with them, qishan wen, committed before the war. anti-wen prejudice is not at all comparable to classism; instead, it is best compared to anti-japanese sentiment in china after the second sino-japanese war, during which japan committed numerous war crimes against the chinese civilian populace.
therefore, the above list of information that the public could be reasonably expected to have about wei wuxian leaves plenty of room for prejudices to bias an outside observer against wei wuxian. however, of those prejudices, only one is classism; non-classist prejudices such as bias against demonic cultivation and bias against the wen would have also done a lot of heavy lifting in biasing an outside observer against wei wuxian.
meanwhile, this is all the information you have access to about the events of the qiongqi pass massacre and afterwards:
wei wuxian's former shijie jiang yanli, as well as her husband jin zixuan, invite wei wuxian to their son's 100-day celebration. wei wuxian goes to attend this celebration, bringing his fierce corpse, wen ning, with him.
jin zixun accuses wei wuxian, a demonstrated demonic cultivator, of casting the hundred holes curse on him. as a result, he and a group of around 200 jin cultivators confront wei wuxian in the qiongqi pass while the latter is on his way to the celebration.
jin zixuan attempts to defuse the situation but is killed by wen ning, wei wuxian's fierce corpse.
wen ning then kills everyone else gathered as well.
jin guangshan issues a statement saying that he is willing to let this matter go if wen qing and wen ning turn themselves in.
wen qing and wen ning go to jinlintai. however, once there, wen ning kills another 20-30 cultivators, which includes not just jin cultivators but also cultivators from the lan and the nie.
as a result of this, jin guangshan calls for a gathering at nightless city to discuss the question of what to do with wei wuxian.
at the nightless city pledge conference, jin guangshan says that the earlier deal is off and declares war on wei wuxian and the remaining escaped wen prisoners.
wei wuxian then shows up to the pledge conference and starts a verbal argument with the gathered cultivators.
one of the cultivators present shoots wei wuxian. in retaliation, wei wuxian raises the corpses in nightless city and starts massacring everyone.
the outcome of this is that anywhere from 10-3000 people are killed, including wei wuxian's former shijie jiang yanli.
my Hot Take of the day is that:
if the above information is all an observer has access to, then it is entirely reasonable for the observer to conclude that the first siege is necessary.
if wei wuxian had been nobly born instead of the son of a servant, the cultivation world would have reacted to the above events in the exact same way. classism no longer factors into the conversation.
because - let's be real here - this sequence of events makes wei wuxian look really bad. an outside observer does not know that wei wuxian lost control of his one-of-a-kind ultra-powerful fierce corpse (which up until now wei wuxian has never lost control of), so it's more reasonable for an outside observer to conclude that everything wen ning did, wei wuxian deliberately ordered wen ning to do. once this assumption is made, all of the above events look really bad.
wei wuxian arguing with jin zixun about the hundred holes curse? reasonable if wei wuxian actually didn't cast the curse. wei wuxian killing jin zixuan? pretty bad, considering that jin zixuan 1. was trying to defuse the situation; 2. is the heir of lanling jin; and 3. is the husband of wei wuxian's ex-shijie. wei wuxian then killing all 200+ people gathered there? unnecessary overkill.
wen ning and wen qing saying they would turn themselves in, only for wen ning to then kill another 20-30 people at jinlintai once they let him in? this is the big one. this looks really fucking bad. an outside observer has zero reason to believe that wen ning was not acting on wei wuxian's orders when he did this - they don't know that wen qing froze wei wuxian in the burial mounds with her needles, or even that wen ning was capable of making decisions that went against wei wuxian's wishes. thus, the most reasonable conclusion for an outside observer to come to is that wei wuxian deliberately ordered wen ning to pretend to surrender so he could kill more people in jinlintai. this sort of "i surrender, suckers" maneuver is viewed poorly even by modern standards (and perfidy is considered a war crime), so it is entirely reasonable that this maneuver would make wei wuxian look terrible to outside observers.
due to this perceived perfidy, jin guangshan reneging on his previous promise to leave the wen prisoners out of the matter would be viewed by the public as harsh, but reasonable. as would jin guangshan calling for the nightless city pledge conference - given that, from the public's point of view, wei wuxian killed jin guangshan's son and heir and then had his fierce corpse pretend to surrender so he could go kill even more people in jinlintai. none of wei wuxian's (objectively correct) arguments about ethics or how one should keep their word, in the ensuing argument after wei wuxian showed up at the nightless city pledge conference, would have held any water for the gathered audience - because, from their point of view, wei wuxian broke his word first by having wen ning pretend to turn himself in only to then kill more people.
and, after the nightless city massacre, the first siege is inevitable. there is no society in the world that, given the power to do otherwise, will allow someone who slaughtered thousands of their member to continue to exist. this remains true regardless of whether this mass-slaughterer is nobly born or not - because, at that point, the matter is no longer about preserving existing social structures, but rather survival.
after all, canon has demonstrated that MDZS society will not tolerate endless unpredictable violence from anyone, even if they are powerful and/or of high status: for everyone, regardless of status, there is a threshold of violence and unpredictability that society will not tolerate. if this was not the case, then the entire sunshot campaign would not have happened at all; qishan wen before its fall, after all, was the most powerful sect, recognized by society as a noble sect of righteous cultivation.
thus i believe that, if the second list of events had happened to someone nobly born instead of wei wuxian, then the same outcome would have occurred. if the "yiling patriarch" who killed jin zixuan, whose fierce corpse turned himself in only to kill more people, and then killed another 10-3000 people at nightless city, had been wen chao instead of wei wuxian, then the same outcome - the first siege of the burial mounds - would have occurred. even if the "yiling patriarch" had had a powerful sect backing him, the events of canon (eg. the entire sunshot campaign) indicate there is only so much violence and unpredictability the public is willing to tolerate, even from people of high status, before they respond with violence in kind.
by the time of the first siege, the people's problem with wei wuxian was no longer that he did not know his station or that he enacted violence against his betters, but rather that his behavior had, from their point of view, proven that he was unpredictable and unable to be negotiated with. people are able to tolerate violence so long as they feel that violence is predictable; so long as they can be certain that, so long as they behave in specific ways, then violence can be averted. however, how is one supposed to have this reassurance if the other party is unable to be negotiated with - if the other party freely kills peacemakers (jin zixuan), pretends to surrender only to kill more people (wen ning killing more people at jinlintai), and then kills thousands more people on top of this?
thus, it is true that, prior to the qiongqi pass massacre, classism was a major factor in what biased the public against wei wuxian. it was not the only factor, as bias against demonic cultivation and bias against the wen also played a major role in biasing people against wei wuxian. neither of these have anything to do with classism: the bias against demonic cultivation is based in the fact that wei wuxian's cultivation desecrated the dead, and the wen were nobility pre-war.
however, the public's reaction to the events of the qiongqi pass massacre and afterwards are no longer primarily motivated by classism. instead, the public's reactions are motivated by the fact that, from their point of view, wei wuxian has proven himself to be unpredictably violent and unable to be negotiated with. by this point, it was no longer wei wuxian's status as the son of a servant turning the public against him, but rather his actions. had a nobly born person done exactly as wei wuxian had done, the outcome would have been the same.
I've seen a bunch of "fandom etiquette" posts on my dash today and I'm going to say something that is maybe going to be unpopular but;
The absolutely pervasive mentality that unwanted criticism or critique shouldn't be given and should be ignored is why fans of color don't stay in fan spaces.
And I am not going to mince words here:
A lot of you are racist. A lot of your fan works are racist.
That might have been difficult to hear. And if it was, you should probably reflect on why that was.
"Fandom etiquette" has created a space where fans of color either bite our tongues and eventually leave or say something, get dogged on, and then eventually leave.
So much of "fandom etiquette" seems to be about insulating creatives from Feeling Bad and hostility to any kind of negative feedback is a pretty big contributor to why bigotry festers in these spaces.
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