I am specifically unhinged about the turn-taking here. The turn-taking implies that if ILYA wins: kissing.
But Ilya wins and thatâs not what happens!
From a show verse perspective I donât think we consider enough the possibility that Ilya did not expect to win or at least didnât make a controlled sex bet based on his possible win. The risk he COULD take was âif you win, Hollander, Iâll do whatever YOU wantâ. Then he could justify anything - he lost a bet.
But heâs not PREPARED to offer a counter âyou do anything I wantâ, in this bathroom. Thatâs where he ends up, but in this bathroom, after basically domming Shane into trying to dom HIM re the âget on your knees in this filthy bathroom and suck my dickâ bit, he⌠doesnât have an answer to âif you winâ. So he kisses Shane as both an assertion of control and a way to dodge the question.
But from an audience perspective and maybe from Shaneâs: is that an answer? If Ilya wins, kissing?
The Vegas penthouse scene is _deliberately_ failing expectations for both Shane and the audience, but the audience expectations have been set by this kiss in particular. Unlike in a deep 3p romance novel we have no access to internal monologue for either of them, which means there is no definitive canon on How Ilya Thought About This (but fandom really rather under-considers Character Lying To Themself Or Forming Wrong Conclusions Based On Incomplete Data anyway).
Hence I return to turn-taking, which is a concept I learned about in Shakespeare studies. Turn-taking conveys a lot about character dynamics on the stage. I knew a guy who studied interruption in Shakespeare: that was mainly about hierarchy. Interruption serves a different function in Rozenzencrantz and Gildernstern Are Dead, and multiple functions in Oscar Wilde. Hell, if I was trying to explain this concept to zoomers and Gen A Iâd probably use the âwe finish each otherâs / sandwichesâ duet from Frozen - the level of interruption and fast turn-taking is a deliberate contrast to Do You Wanna Build A Snow Man. Along with music and animation choices, it creates a sense of synchronicity and alignment- right up to the final âfinish each others / sandwichesâ line.
Turn-taking in conversation is MAINLY analysed in terms of verbal exchange, for a bunch of reasons. But we all know that Gesture can be a statement, right? Not saying anything at all can be a power move . Giving the middle finger is as much a conversational turn as saying âfuck youâ.
There is a significant difference between the book and the show in that scene. In the book, Ilya answers âIf you win?â with âI will let you know,â and only AFTER that does he kiss Shane. Shaneâs pov provides very little insight into how Shane is processing this OR what he thinks Ilya is on about. I actually think this conveys a combination of âwhat the fuck I donât know whatâs going onâ and âavoiding thinking about oneâs OWN motivationsâ quite well!
I actually have sympathy with the small group of people who prefer the Ilya POV deep 3p narration âwe didnât even kissâ post Vegas Penthouse over the unsent text.â
I am not disappointed because the âif you win?â / âkissâ exchange hits the key character point for me, ESPECIALLY combined with how quickly he responds to âI need⌠youâ. Shane didnât send the âwe didnât even kissâ text, Ilya didnât initiate more kisses - but âif you win?/KISSâ and âwe didnât even kiss are so clearly bookends.
It doesnât matter if Ilya KNOWS that - at a watsonian level, if this guy is telling himself he doesnât want, he doesnât even want SHANE to suck his dick he wants Shane to beg him to sick his⌠obviously his internal narration is not going to say âIf I win, I will kiss this man so muchâ. But he breaks and just kisses him.
From an audience level that sets an expectation.
Shane, idek. Watsonian level heâs mad and confused and the book scene is deliberately sparse.
Doylist, structural: in both texts, that kiss and the âwe didnât even kissâ line are foils.
Given that Shane never sent that text in the show, and show!Ilya didnât say the Mr Sex Knower line âIâll let you knowâ⌠I really like the show version. Itâs hot to me, sure, but itâs also a really good adaptation. The actual conversation/interaction turns are different because key dynamics are compressed and because TV show needs to be more explicit in some respects than a book, but can also be more ambiguous.
This has been: unexpected meta with Inept.