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âAnd in many a land they speak thus, that Kay, Arthurâs seneschal, Was a firebrand, hell-born, yet I wot well far other the tale I'ld tell. From reproach would I gladly free him, thoâ few but should say me nay, Yet a gallant man and a worthy, I swear was this knight, Sir Kay. And my mouth to this truth beareth witness, and more would I tell to thee; Unto Arthurâs Court came strangers in many a company, And their manners and ways were diverse, nor all there might honour claim, But Kay an he saw false dealing, he counted such ways as shame, And his face he turned from the sinner, yet he who dealt courteously, And true man with true men would hold him, Kay served him right heartily. And one who fall well discernĂšd the manner of men was Kay, Thus he did to his lord good service, for his harsh words drave far away The men who would falsely vaunt them good knights and true to be, Ill was he to them as a hailstorm, sharp as sting of an angry bee. Small wonder that these deny him his honour and knightly fame, True servant and wise they found him, and for this cause upon his name Their hatred doth still heap slanderâ
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Parzival by Wolfram von Eschenbach, Book VI: Arthur
âAlthough Keii might be unpleasant and quite mannerless, he still had not lost the pride of nobility. Indeed, he was so brave that he wouldnât avoid any monster: he dared fight it no matter how large it seemed to him and whatever his chances of success. You should also know that Arthur was zealous in virtue and in his faultless youth has chosen such attendants as were free of deceit. How could Keii have remained one of them for even a short time if he had been as evil as many have said? The truth is that he liked to scoff and spared no one. That was his chief failingâ
Diu CrĂŽne by Heinrich von dem TĂŒrlin, Chapter Two: The Tankard
I love it when there are little âyes, heâs an asshole, but heâs our asshole and we love himâ asides about Kay in Arthurian texts
Mabon Dreams
How would you rate The Borgias costumes as far as accuracy? I love these costumes, but they're very different from what other movies depicting this time give us. Thanks :)
I love them as well but they are not accurate at all. Like most costume dramas they made the costumes in order to appeal to modern audiences and portray a message. One huge inaccuracy that stands out are the colors. Lucrezia wears a lot of pastel colors before she is married in season 1 to represent her innocence with colors like baby pink (Later on she wears dark colors like blood red and dark blue to show how she has matured, although she wears a few pastel colors in later seasons but mostly to show moments when she is particularly happy). In this time period however, only dark dyes where used by the rich because they where more expensive and displayed your wealth. So she would never have worn dresses in those pastel colors.
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The Borgiasâ costumes, while gorgeous and I would cut a bitch over most of that fabric, are also a weird mix of some details from the 1490s, and a lot of inspiration from the 1520s-30s.  They compress Lucreziaâs historical timeline quite a bit, but for dating purposesâAlexander became pope in 1492, she married Giovanni Sforza in 1493, it was annulled in 1497, she married Alfonso dâAragon in 1498, and he was murdered in 1500 (the show ends hereâ1502 she married Alfonso dâEste and in 1519 she died of childbirth complications).  So everything the show covers takes place between 1490-1500.  Iâm sticking mostly with her clothing, since the other womenâs tends to be stylistically similar, and Iâm just not going there with the guyâs buckled-up doublets and leather pants (what IS it with costume shows and leather pants?).
Late 1480s-90s clothing:
Straight neckline with minimal to no cleavage, sleeves mostly snug along the arm with underdress puffing through the separate pieces, especially at the elbow. Â Brocades and patterned fabrics do show up, but not extensively.
Believed to be Lucrezia herself modeling for The Disputation of St. Catherine of Alexandria (patron saint of librarians), Pinturicchio, 1498. Â Thatâs a crown and then a halo around her head, the aging process has made it look a little funky.
(Lorenzo Costa, 1488: The Daughters of Giovanni II Bentivoglio and Ginevra Sforza, Cappella Bentivoglio, San Giacomo, Ferrara.)
(Vittore Carpaccio, 1495: Meeting of the Betrothed Couple (detail) Venice, Galleria dell'Accademia.)
1493: Portrait of Bianca Maria Sforza,by Giovanni Ambrogio de Predis. Â Brocade AF, but also probably her best gown at the time, not an everyday or even church dress.
Unknown Florentine Painter - âPortrait of a Lady,â c. 1500. Â The lacing on the lower sleeves is awesome, not entirely sure whatâs going on with the closures across the bodice.
The Borgias Costumes:
A Vanozza costume sneaking in, because this is actually one of the more accurate dresses, especially the sleeves. Â Neckline is low, but its constructionâthe two side pieces coming together over a central oneâis a step in the right direction. Â Not a big one, but itâs a step. Â
Also not a bad start here.
The majority, however, have slashed or paned upper sleeves, a much lower neckline showing the undergown (or at least looking like it shows the undergown; most costume shows live in fear of the dreaded undergown, so these may be plackets added onto the gown to look like one instead).  The strong V shapes typically made by the construction of the 1490s gowns is replaced by a straight bodice, frequently made of one piece, with back or side-lacing rather than front.  The skirts are visibly gathered into the bodice, rather than being cut from one long piece (of all costume choices, I do understand this one as fabric conservation at the cutting stage, but there are ways to hide it).  Most of her skirts are also made of panels of different complementing fabrics, so you have these vertical lines of pattern running up the skirtâagain, understandable in a âwe could only find so many saris we likedâ and a way of getting the most out of limited yardage of specific fabrics, but not accurate.
As much as the overskirts splitting to show an underskirt underneath is a favorite look of mine in both historical and modern clothing, and she is getting great dramatic skirt wingage here, nooooope.
Second wedding dress, so historically taking place in 1498. Â Headroll, voluminous upper sleeves, bodice of the dress is in fact an underbust, with only the undergown covering the actual bust. Â Pretty good shoes, though.
About those headrolls, fluffy sleeves, waist seams, and low necklinesâŠ
Raphaelâs Lady with a Unicorn, 1505, has some similarities in the bodice and skirt, but not sleeves.
Same with his Portrait of a Young Woman -âLa Mutaâ, c. 1507-1508.
Portrait of a Lady by Domenico Puligo c.1525.
Paris Bordone, The Venetian Lovers, 1525-30, Pinacoteca di Brera, Milan. Â Her sleeves are gathered to maximize fabric usage and puffage, but the bodice is very like Lucreziaâs second wedding dress.
Sebastiano Florigerio, St. George and the Dragon, Chiesa di San Giorgio, Udine, 1529.
Peter de Kempeneer (previously attr. to Girolamo da Carpi) c1530s. Â Except that her partlet comes all the way up to her neck, as you can just barely tell by the lines of gold woven into it, and the skirt is of one fabric, this is basically a Lucrezia dress. Â (And yes, I accept that on-screen clothing is almost invariably going to include more boobage than is historically accurate. Â This is a fact of costume movies. Â I will still comment on it.)
Bernardino Licinio, Portrait of a Lady, 1532. Â Yes, I know, theyâre all Portraits of a Lady, what are you going to do. Â Also the embellishment on this bodice is pretty wild.
Bassano, Jesus and the Woman Taken in Adultery, 1536. Â The upper sleeves arenât paned/slashed, but otherwise, very close in construction.
Titian, Portrait of a Girl in a Blue Dress (thank you, Captain Obvious), 1536.  Also great example of fancy hair (I admit it, I LOVE The Borgias hair despite its own issues which Iâm not getting into here).
None of these sleeves have been slashed or paned the way quite a few Borgias garments are, possibly because that Snow White shit came even later, and Iâm reaching here.
Lucas DâHeere, Girl and Women of Saxony, 1575.
Ludger Tom Ring the Younger, Portrait of a Young Patrician Lady, c. 1565
Hans Eworth, Portrait of Lady Mary Grey, 1571.
Giovanni Battista Moroni, Luisa Vertova Agosti, ca. 1570 -1575, Musée des Beaux-Arts de Nantes.
Taken to terrifying extremes by Elizabeth Littleton, Lady Willoughby, 1573.
1570s, Eleonora of Toledo, 1570s Florence.
And to be completely honest, the construction method of long strips of fabric poofing up is later stillâŠ
Copy of Peter Paul Rubens Portrait of Anne of Austria, c. 1620-1625.  This is the Queen of France in The Three Musketeers, Louis XIVâs mom.
Anthony  van Dyck, Portrait of Marie-Louise de Tassis, c. 1630.
Conclusion
The Borgias costumes are pretty.  Really, really pretty, and thereâs a reason Gabriella Pescucci (also of Penny Dreadful, Dangerous Beauty, A Midsummer Nightâs Dream, The Age of Innocence and The Brotherâs Grimm, among others, and doesnât it all make sense now) was up for an Emmy for them.  But theyâre not wholly accurate to any one time, let alone the period in question.
For a wide audience, though (and this is Showtime weâre talking about here), I get where theyâre goingâthe idea isnât to recreate 1490s Rome, itâs to evoke Renaissance Italy as a sumptuous, decadent time.  The 1490s clothing, especially to a modern eye, is just edging out of medieval silhouettes and styles, itâs not the image a wide audience has of âthe Renaissance,â something carried over in the sets as well.  Even though itâs set decades earlier, itâs the heir to The Tudors (also a Showtime production), coming out in 2011 with The Tudors wrapping up in 2010.  So thatâs the audience and expectations the show is dealing with, and it does a hell of a lot better than The Tudors did.  The authenticity geek in me cries, especially because the only way to correct widespread incorrect beliefs and impressions, is to, you know, stop perpetrating them in the first place, but thatâs not the job the producers chose for the show.  The job they choseâbeing pretty, decadent Renaissance Italyâit does just fine. Â
If youâre interested in more accurate costuming and storyline, Borgia, first produced by a mixed-nationality European company in 2011 and picked up by Netflix for its final season, is worth a watch, and it continues to Cesareâs death in 1507. Â Itâs far from inaccuracy free, either in costume or plot (the ruff on Lucrezia here is just bizarre), and is less consistent about its inaccuracies, since three different women will be running around in gowns influenced by three different periods, and has a horror of menâs shirtâs as well as womenâs undergowns, but it is closer for the most part. Â Itâs also a harsher, grittier show, so heads up there. Â
Lucreziaâs costumes look kinda okay for some episodes, then they hugely deviate towards 1530-40ies fashion for reasons I cannot really fathom. That second wedding dress, with the Balzo and all? It could as well be a replica of the Portrait of Isabella dâEste by Tiziano Vecellio from 1530-39: exact same sleeves, exact same underbust and chemise, exact same hairstyle. Another very close reference for her outfits (including that wedding dress) are Agnolo Bronzinoâs portraits, and they too date to the mid 1500s (1530-40). Funny thing, she didnât even manage to wear that style in real life, since she died in 1519. Itâs a real pity because they started out quite well, although we may discuss that, if Florentine 1480-90ies is the reference for her outfits, the waist is too high and the construction as a whole is incorrect as it lacks the layers required for that V-shaped shilouette (that was obtained by juxtaposition of a dress and an outer layer called gamurra). It is true, tho, that that shilouette wasnât worn everywhere (the portraiture from the Sforza court shows no gamurras and the Este fashion from 1470 was a whole other thing, with roundish necklaces and contrasting sleeves as per the frescos at Palazzo Schifanoia), but the construction of her dresses strikes me as only partially accurate, except for that red and green dress she wears while posing for a portrait. That one is the most accurate outfit weâll ever see her in.
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his joy so lightened him that he felt as if he had wings
from lancelot, the knight of the cart by chrétien de troyes (tr. william w. kibler)
The Green Knight, a spoiler-free review.
Once in a decade there comes a movie that shakes you to your core in the best possible way, opens your eyes, and fills your mind.
This is that film.
I canât believe we finally have a modern good movieâŠ
yeah but...how can we see it :(
ok history side of tumblr probability of king arthur speaking latin at home GO
zero because he wasnt a real historical figure and the literature while ostensibly set in the 500s exist simultaneously then, in the 400s, in the 1100s, in the 1500s, and in magical fairy tale time.
anyway for a king in subroman britain in the 500s ad, who was directly descended from roman rulers, chances are pretty good latin would have been at least one of the languages spoken, as well as a regional dialect of old brythonic which was in the middle of become welsh, briton, gaelic, etc respectively
a. see above! arthur wasnât really a real guy so depending on what text you go by he could even be speaking in 1400s middle english lmao (see le morte darthur, which is set during maloryâs time or a little before) butÂ
b. the time where a nonexistant historical arthur (as attested to in the historia brittonum and annales cambriae in the earliest arthurian stuff) would exist, britain in the five hundreds ad, the native language arthur would have been speaking would have been speaking would be common brittonic, which at the end of the five hundreds rapidly split into various languages based on region (note, goidelic and brittonic are two different branches of insular celtic entirely, the goedelic branch containing irish gaeilge, scottish gĂ idhlig, and manx gaelg, not really related to this convo, and the brittonic branch (see above) containing welsh cymraeg, cornish kernewek, breton brezhoneg, and cumbric, the extinct celtic language spoken in northern england/lowland southern scotland and also maybe The Pictish Language thatâs an entire thing)
but would it make sense for arthur via his class status and background?
c. before the end of the roman rule of britain, when britain entered into its sub roman history period, vulgar latin was spoken especially by the most romanised areas of britain, and especially by the romano-british nobility. (it died out being spoken in britain soon after, not developing like the romance languages that ruled western europe but thatâs. an entire thing lol) arthur, as the son of a roman (aurelius ambrosius is given as one in multiple sources, iâd reckon the same applied to uther) would most definitely speak vulgar latin as well, but whether heâd speak it with his direct family? probably so actually, especially considering that guinevereâs mother is noted to be a âroman ladyâ, and at least one of his nephews spent time in rome (they might have not spoken the same dialect of vulgar latin though which is. an entire thing as well look up british vulgar latin on that one. there at the very least would have been a lot of vernacular differences. i donât even know if gawaine would have been speaking vulgar latin at all he may have learned classical latin but i donât know that much about the evolution of latin into italian historically yet ahaha)
d. anyways all of this word vomit is useless to anyone not writing a historic fiction novel ahaha. in my personal canon arthur himself uses latin professionally and on documents of course but casually he uses old welsh with his close friends and family :)Â
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Arthurian characters as headlines from The Onion (part 1)
Arthur
Mordred
Guinevere
Galahad
Gaheris
Morgause
Pictures from Jean cocteau's arthurian play
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âBut no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Ăowyn I am, Ăomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.â
my favourite bizarre arthurian facts to drop on unsuspecting people:
lancelot was very literally raised in a lake
gawain has a talking fox sidekick who shows him how to cross the river of the dead
morgan le fayâs best frenemy/gf is an ancient greek oracle who slept with alexander the great
gawain has to investigate his own murder not once but THREE times because people just will not stop faking his death
arthur has a pet parrot
one time mordred ate a dead body
gawain said he wanted to be turned into a maiden to be able to love lancelot as a maiden could. he was very high on painkillers at the time
lancelotâs birth name is galahad and his sonâs name is galahad and his ex-boyfriendâs name is galehaut and his grandfatherâs name is lancelot and his uncleâs name is bors and his cousinâs name is also bors.
there are upwards of ten characters named yvain
gawain was kidnapped by pirates as a child. this explains a lot about him i think
look i know its a basic one but the absolute shock that ppl go through when i say lancelot was raised in a lake? like IN a lake? classic. timeless. theres a reason i listed it first and it bears repeating. the man is aquatic

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Arthurian literature starter kit
Iâve been having a lot of Arthurian feelings lately, so I thought that Iâd put together a selective list of medieval Arthurian texts and where to find them. If Iâm duplicating a masterpost of someone elseâs hard work that Iâve failed to find in tag searches, apologies (and let me know so I can link back in this for maximum Arthurian goodness!)
Geoffrey of Monmouth, History of the Kings of Britain
Only sections deal with Arthur, but 1) the whole thing is enjoyable and 2) this version has Vortigern and dragons. Full text here.
Layamonâs Brut
Like Geoffrey, Layamon is writing a history of Britain, and Arthur is part of it. Itâs readable in Middle English if you have a little bit of background or a lot of patience. Have a link to the Arthurian sections in modern English.
The Mabinogion
These are wondrous and strange and I love them; they are a world of homeliness and magic, where ravens soar and Arthur plays chess for the fate of the earth and bargains with magic beasts, but also where Arthur and his knights sit around telling stories and playing games and eating chicken in the afternoons. (The Mabinogion is also why I started crying when Ioan Gruffuddâs voice-over for the terrible King Arthur movie started; I need to hear more Arthurian stories read in a Welsh voice.) Victorian translation online here, modern one for sale here.
Gottfried von StraĂburg, Tristan
Angst, pain, poetry. Full text online here, edition for sale here. There are those who prefer BĂ©roulâs version, but⊠I just really love Gottfried. Itâs so imbued with a sense of the sadness of the world, and the nobility of human endeavor! I have feelings.
Chrétien de Troyes, Le Chevalier de la Charette
Chrétien is the reason Monty Python has French jokes. Pick a romance, any romance, but The Knight of the Cart is my favorite Chrétien starting point. I also really like Yvain, though, and have seen it in new eyes ever since hearing a conference paper arguing that his lion could be read as a service animal! <3
Note: Iâm leaving out ChrĂ©tienâs and Wolframâs Percival romances; if you want to read about the quest for the Holy Grail, more power to you.
Marie de France, Lay of Sir Launfal
I needed to get Marie on here! And this is a haunting look at the proximity and distance of faerie in an Arthurian world. Full text here, contextualizing notes here.
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight
This is such a great poem about community and landscape, magic and honor, fear and desire. I first read Tolkienâs translation, but have recently been really into Armitageâs (which has the Middle English in parallel text, yay.)
Thomas Malory, Le Morte DâArthur
I sometimes ask myself why it is that I love Malory so much, and I think itâs because heâs such a great storyteller. And the emotional realism of this will punch you in the gut. Repeatedly. Thereâs a reason Steinbeck chose to retell this version.
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