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So let me get this straight: The new Ted Lasso episode is titled Curiouser and Curiouser.
We all know that means the womens team is going to have Alice in Wonderland themes, right?
That was kinda worrying for me at first, I didn't think the show would go "hey so all of these women are absurd and unrelatable and aliens" because obviously that would be very shit.
*Then I realized that Ted isn't Alice.* Alice Chilton is Alice, Ted Lasso is the white rabbit. He causes *Alice* to become curious about the womens team and she follows along down the rabbit hole.
Now I'm not an expert in Alice in Wonderland so be free to correct me. But Alice comes from a world where she is ostracized as an outsider, yet she dreams to become something more and greater. Yet she is rigid as she enters the curious environment of Wonderland and learns how to grow up and observe rules. But if she is part of the absurdity of the womens team (idk about the other roles but two red twins who fight a lot and are aggressive? tweedle dee and tweedle dum?) then she must also be "mad".
My best friend LOVES alice in wonderland and has informed me that the very similar story Through the Looking Glass has Alice wanting to become the queen and she ends up staying. SO! Considering that Coach Alice has ambitions of becoming something greater, this could mean that Coach Alice stays.
Gosh, this makes Rebecca the Red Queen and Keeley the White Queen! Oh and Beard has to be the hatter, right?
I really don't have much of a clue, I more hope that this inspires other people who know a lot more than I do to kickstart this theory and examine these themes more closely.
reblogging this for my friend, who is understandably very upset about this and has told me this fact multiple times already, because it bothers her so much
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Reminder that Pantalone is not named after pants. Pants are named after Pantalone.
Our modern English word pants comes directly from the 16th century commedia dell’arte stock character Pantalone, whose costume famously included a pair of egregiously tight-fitted trousers.
Pantalone’s outfit was so well-known that, when similar trousers came into fashion in the late 1600s, they were referred to as pantaloons because of him. This is where we get the shortened words pants and panties, so he’s pretty much a fashion icon.
Extra fun fact: the stock character’s name might have been a tongue-in-cheek reference to Saint Pantaleon, patron saint of doctors.
Yeah… yeah...
Commedia dell’arte history, a sprinkle of Shakespeare, and some thoughts on the patron saint of physicians ↓
Commedia Dell’arte Background
Unlike a lot of modern theatre, commedia dell’arte performances aren’t scripted. Instead, they’re more like highly-structured improv where performers take on the roles of stock characters and act out comedic scenarios following an outline from the Director (hi Pierro).
Most scenarios are built around pairs of archetypes, which include:
Vecchi, the old men (Pantalone, Dottore)
Zanni, the trickster servants (Colombina, Arlecchino, Pulcinella)
Innamorati, the lovers
and then a handful of other characters that combined tropes such as Capitano, Signora, or Scaramuccia
To ensure the audience could immediately recognize stock roles across scenarios, these characters needed distinctive looks that could be carried from town to town, generation to generation. To that end, each character had a unique mask and costume tied to their characteristics.
Pantalone’s was one of the most recognizable by far.
Pantalone as a Stock Character
Pantalone’s inclusion among the stock characters dates back to at least the mid-1500s. As one of the principle “antagonists” (along with his foil, Dottore), Pantalone was often the catalyst of the action making up many of the routines. So he needed a recognizable appearance.
And, whoo boy, did he get one.
Keep in mind that the commedia dell’arte was hyperbolic. Everything was exaggerated, and Pantalone was the ultimate exaggeration of a greedy, lecherous, materialistic old man prone to emotional outbursts.
One of the defining features of Pantalone’s outfit were his long, red, extremely tight trousers, a stark contrast to the more common wide knee-breeches worn at the time. These were so tight that they flaunted his codpiece—a piece of fabric that cups the genitals. During the Renaissance, codpieces had started to become increasingly padded and sculpted, not to hide the crotch but rather to call attention to it.
(In some cases, instead of wearing the codpiece, Pantalone would wear a strategically-placed money pouch around his waist, and you can probably imagine what that looked like... )
The effect was meant to be vulgar and comedic. Here’s an old, greedy, horny man whose tight trousers and slippers make him look frail, yet he’s walking around with his hips cocked, showing off a his codpiece.
The audience found him hilarious because raunchy humour never goes out of style. And yet, while he satirized the ego-driven fool, he also served as a melancholic musing on aging. Even Shakespeare nods to this role in As You Like It, when the fool Jaques gives one of his most famous monologues on the link between life and theatre:
All the world’s a stage
...
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper’d pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side
That’s our guy, a representative not only of older characters but also of older actors whose time on the stage was coming to a close.
When long, tight-fitted breeches came into fashion in England during the Restoration Era in the late 1600s, they were called pantaloons after the Anglicized name Pantalone. He was so popular that the role defined an entire clothing item.
By the 1700s, pantaloons came to be used to refer to any long trouser, regardless of cut and also began to denote women’s undergarments as well (earliest record for that is from 1797). Pantaloons was eventually shortened to pants, and it also gives us the word panties. Do with that information what you will.
The Patron Saint of Doctors
There’s been a lot of speculation over where the name Pantalone came from in the first place, since the earliest attested records are from the commedia dell’arte itself.
One of the potential inspirations—and the one noted in the Oxford English Dictionary as the likely etymological root—is San Pantalon (Saint Pantaleone), a Christian martyr who was condemned to death for miracles of healing and who earned the title all-compassionate for begging Heaven to forgive his executioners.
San Pantalon was a popular saint in Venice, and Pantalone is one of the primary Venetian characters in the commedia dell’arte. The audience would absolutely recognize the irony that the extraordinarily greedy stock character Pantalone is named after an all-compassionate saint who, notably, gave all his money to the poor.
What makes this potential origin so so delightful is the fact that Pantaleon is a patron saint of physicians
Given that Dottore and Pantalone had a deeply intertwined relationship in the commedia dell’arte—as sometimes rivals, often friends, always ridiculous together—this also feels quite fitting. (Pantaleon is also the patron saint of lottery winners, funny enough, so that works here too.)
"Are you suggesting I worship you as a god?" "No, but as a Saint might be nice."
Wearing the Pants
All this to say: the reason we have the modern word pants is because of the stock character Pantalone. Our Ninth Harbinger is not named after the clothing item, he’s its etymological origin. His costume helped bring them into fashion.
So the ludicrously tight pants he wears in Genshin? Canon event. He started that trend. Give this man his royalties, please.
I think it's not a bad thing that when talking about Pantalone, someone can end up talking about his relationship with Dottore.
Pantalone is his own character and a really interesting one, but part of that character is his relationship with Dottore. Saying a character is his own doesn't mean ignoring the relationship that clearly has an important influence in his character and arc. In fact, understanding his relationship helps to understand part of his character.
Pantalone is 400 years old. He knows Dottore for 380 years. Of course, Dottore would be important to Pantalone's character if they knew each other for 380 years, and Feofan was 20 at the time they met. They met when Feofan was starting his adult life and was in a really vulnerable situation.
In that relationship, you can see A LOT about Pantalone. That's why relationships are important to the characters. In those relationships, you can see so much about them.
Talking about his relationship with Dottore doesn't mean reducing Pantalone to the relationship. It's just talking about a part of his character that relates to other parts, and you can really get a lot about who he is by analyzing that relationship bc it's important.
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i think people really under sell the physical side effects of mental health disorders sometimes. like sure the depression and anxiety may be 'just in your head' but when what's in your head happens to disrupts your sleep schedule and prevent you from going outside regularly and eating consistent meals and exercising and generally taking care of your body. well it sure takes its toll huh.
you may be familiar with disney twisted wonderland, the gacha game in which various disney villains are used as direct inspiration for handsome anime boys. well that game was so successful that disney is trying to do it again but this time they're just animeboyifying whatever
here's mickey, goofy, donald, and chip & dale. yeah they turned mickey & friends into anime boys. they're an idol unit or something. they're technically not anime boy versions of the source characters, they have different names. mickey's guy is "Neo Michel". not michael, michel, like he's french. chip & dale are "Ruska Moncrief" and "Ranka Monk", they have different last names, they're not brothers anymore so that they can be yaoibait instead, anyways this post isn't actually about these guys I'm just setting the stage for the actual humanizations I wanted to show you
They also did monsters inc. And. Well it's obvious from the designs who mike and sully are. but you will also notice. the blonde one on the left. with glasses. monsters inc is kind of famously about just the two guys so they didn't really have a lot of other non-villain characters to take anime boys inspiration from, I guess, so, well,
Yeah it's her. they made an anime boy version of the mean receptionist slug. her name is roz btw, as all of boygachagame twitter has become extremely aware of in the past 3 days as we speculated prior to the release of the full image who tf the third guy was. the anime boy's name is "noah slugger". at this point no parody of the types of things gacha games will make gijinkas of will ever be able to live up to what disney is officially spending their own real money on designing
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what is it with able bodied people saying “get well soon” after you say that you’re chronically ill?? like? i am not gonna? and i once literally responded with “i’m not gonna, it’s chronic, as in permanent.” and they went like “oh well, hope you get better!” like bro 💀
Speaking for me personally (and also as someone who has their own chronic health issues), most of it is, as someone mentioned in the replies, script failure. Humans have a lot of scripts and shorthands for social interactions, and the most common one for finding out someone is ill or injured is to wish them a swift recovery. There isn't really a script for how to respond when someone won't recover tho, and so many people end up falling back on the script they do know even if it's not really applicable.
In my own personal experience, when I end up saying - or feeling the impulse to say - 'get well soon' to someone with a chronic condition, what I'm really trying to convey is something more along the lines of 'I hope your good days outnumber the bad ones', and 'I hope you find treatment that is effective for and accessible to you', and especially 'hey the fact that you are in pain sucks and I wish you weren't but I know that's not likely to change soon but also I hope that it will anyway because I hate to see people suffering and the 5-year-old inside me is insisting it's not fair even though the adult me knows that's not how it works but anyway the point is I hope you're in as little pain as it's possible for you to be in'. All of which is quite a bit harder to fit on a greeting card than 'get well soon', and which don't have any conveinent shorthands that will let me express those sentiments in a concise, understandable manner.
thank you so much for explaining this! i saw the “script failure” reply but didn’t really understand what that meant & also didn’t have the time before to further ask.
but this actually makes sense and i think i’ll try to just take it to mean things like that whenever someone wishes me well/a swift recovery now! again, thank you so much!!