Hey âdrop the Tâ is disgusting because the modern gay rights movement was started by and meant to help trans people too and excluding them is disrespecting the memories of the people who fought and died to give us our rights.
no it wasnât but nice try
Except it was! Marsha P Johnson and Sylvia Rivera (two activists for /transgender/ rights) who started the stonewall riots which can be pinpointed as the beginning of the modern gay rights movement cofounded STAR or the Street /Transvestite/ Action Revolutionaries which was set up to help homeless people and /transgender/ women of color. If you do even a quick search about LGBT history youâll find that it has always concerned trans people.
I know youâre too busy denying facts to clearly comprehend reality but Iâll lay them out for you anyway. đ¤đ˝
First of all, the story of Stonewall is very complex. There is a lot of different accounts of what happened and who was there.Â
Letâs begin with Marsha and Sylvia.Â
1) Marsha P. Johnson was a gay man/transvestite/self-identified drag queen.
âJohnsonâs concept of her gender identity varied throughout her life. In the early 1970s, Johnson simultaneously identified as a âgay transvestiteâ and briefly considered surgical transition,[18] the latter of which she ultimately rejected, saying in an interview on June 26, 1992 (ten days before her death), âIâm a man.â[3]â
He was for transgender rights, thatâs true, but he himself was not transgender or transsexual.
2) Sylvia Rivera is a bit more complicated. Sylva referred to herself as a gay man, a transvestite, and a pre-op transsexual. So she may or may not have been transsexual, but that is not for us to assume.Â
~ âMy first lover taught me how to make love to another man, and in my youth I was always supposed to be the bottom. This is the way I thought a relationship wasâŚan effeminate gay boy was solely to be the bottom. My lover was a butch-looking boy, very butch. Actually, no one even knew he was gay.
~ âPeople now want to call me a lesbian because Iâm with Julia, and I say, âNo. Iâm just me. Iâm not a lesbian.â Iâm tired of being labeled. I donât even like the label transgender. Iâm tired of living with labels. I just want to be who I am. I am Sylvia Rivera. Ray Rivera left home at the age of 10 to become Sylvia. And thatâs who I am.â
~ âWhat about the term âdrag queen?â People in STAR prefer to use the term âtransvestite.â Can you explain the difference?Â
A drag queen is one that usually goes to a ball, and thatâs the only time she gets dressed up. Transvestites live in drag. A transsexual spends most of her life in drag. I never come out of drag to go anywhere. Everywhere I go I get all dressed up. A transvestite is still like a boy, very manly looking, a feminine boy. You wear drag here and there. When youâre a transsexual, you have hormone treatments and youâre on your way to a sex change, and you never come out of female clothes.Â
Youâd be considered a pre-operative transsexual then? You donât know when youâd be able to go through the sex change?
Oh, most likely this year. Iâm planning to go to Sweden. Iâm working very hard to go.Â
Itâs cheaper there than it is at Johns Hopkins? Itâs $300 for a change, but youâve got to stay there a year.â
Very few drag queens were allowed into Stonewall and the bar was meant for gay men.Â
âEric Marcus, Making Gay History
Actually, it was the first time I had been to the frigginâ Stonewall. The Stonewall wasnât a bar for drag queens. Everybody keeps saying it was. The drag queen spot was the Washington Square Bar, at Third St. and Broadway. This is where I get into arguments with people. They say, âOh, no, it was a drag-queen bar, it was a black bar.â No. Washington Square Bar was the drag-queen bar.If you were a drag queen, you could get into the Stonewall if they knew you. And only a certain number of drag queens were allowed into the Stonewall at that time.â
âMartin Duberman, Stonewall
Washington Square was Sylviaâs special favo[u]rite. It opened at three in the morning and catered primarily (rather than incidentally as was the case with Stonewall) to transvestites[.][âŚ]If she was going out at all⌠she would go to Washington Square. She had never been crazy about Stonewall, she reminded Tammy: Men in makeup were tolerated there, but not exactly cherished.â
From Marsha: âWell, uh, at first it was just a gay menâs bar.  And they didnât allow no, uh, women in.  And then they started allowing women in.  And then they let the drag queens in.  I was one of the first drag queens to go to that place.  âCause when we first heard about this⌠ and then they had these drag queens workinâ there.  They didnât never arrested anybody at the Stonewall.  All they did was line us up and tell us to get out.â
From Sylvia herself: âWhat people fail to realize is that the Stonewall was not a drag queen bar. It was a white male bar for middle-class males to pick up young boys of different races. Very few drag queens were allowed in there, because if they had allowed drag queens into the club, it would have brought the club down. That would have brought more problems to the club. Itâs the way the Mafia thought, and so did the patrons. So the queens who were allowed in basically had inside connections. I used to go there to pick up drugs to take somewhere else. I had connections.â Sylvia was said to not have even been at the Stonewall riots.Â
âPaul D. Cain: Whereâs Sylvia Rivera? Dubermanâs Stonewall placed her at the bar on the first night of the riots, yet your book makes absolutely no mention of her (although you do mention her buddy, Marsha P. Johnson). Do you think that, like so many others, she fabricated her remarks about being there?
David Carter: Yes, I am afraid that I could only conclude that Sylviaâs account of her being there on the first night was a fabrication. Randy Wicker told me that Marsha P. Johnson, his roommate, told him that Sylvia was not at the Stonewall Inn at the outbreak of the riots as she had fallen asleep in Bryant Park after taking heroin. (Marsha had gone up to Bryant Park, found her asleep, and woke her up to tell her about the riots.) Playwright and early gay activist Doric Wilson also independently told me that Marsha Johnson had told him that Sylvia was not at the Stonewall Riots.Sylvia also showed a real inconsistency in her accounts of the Stonewall Riots. In one account she claimed that the night the riots broke out was the first time that she had ever been at the Stonewall Inn; in another account she said that she had been there many times. In one account she said that she was there in drag; in another account she says that she was not in drag. She told Martin Duberman that she went to the Stonewall Inn the night the riots began to celebrate Marsha Johnsonâs birthday, but Marsha was born in August, not June. I also did not find one credible witness who saw her there on the first night.â
âMy late uncle Bob Kohler was a Stonewall veteran; he could never actually place either Sylvia or Marsha at the bar.â
âThe eyewitness accounts in RAT (July 1969) specifically credits âone guyâ (not a lesbian or a queen) for precipitating a scuffle by refusing to be put into the paddy wagonâŚ. At least two people credit Sylvia herself with provoking the riotâŚ. But Iâve found no corroboration for either account[,] and Sylvia herself, with a keener regard for the historical record, denies the accuracy of both versions. She does remember âthrowing bricks and rocks and thingsâ after the mĂŞlĂŠe began, but takes no credit for initiating the confrontation.â
âThe Ambrosini photo does not show a single transvestite. Craig Rodwell told researcher Michael Scherker that âone of the myths about Stonewall is it was all drag queens. I mean, drag queens are part of what went on. Certainly one of the most courageous, but there were maybe twelve drag queens. In thousands of people.â
âRandy:  Marshaâs the only one, sheâs the only one everyone agrees was at the Stonewall riots. There were a lot of other people, but everyone agrees that Marsha was there, soâŚ
Marsha: Â The way I winded up being at Stonewall that night, I was having a party uptown. And we were all out there and Miss Sylvia Rivera and them were over in the park having a cocktail.â
Please note how it says transvestites - transvestite is defined as:
âa person, especially a male, who assumes the dress and manner usually associated with the opposite sex.â
âEric: Â Now you mentioned an organization that Marsha, you were involved with. Â What was the name?
Marsha: Â Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries with Miss Sylvia Rivera.
Randy: Â STAR.
Eric: Â What was that group about? Â What was it for?
Marsha: Â Ah, it was a group for transvestites.
Randy:  It was a bunch ofâŚ
Marsha:  Men and women transvestitesâŚâ
Films/interviews:
Pay It No Mind: Marsha P. Johnson
Randy Wicker Interviews Sylvia Rivera on the Pier
Stonewall Veterans Talk About the Night That Changed The World - Stonewall: Profiles of Pride
3) The person who started the riots was a black butch lesbian drag king named StormĂŠ DeLarverie.Â
âStormĂŠ DeLarverie (December 24, 1920 â May 24, 2014) was a butch lesbian whose scuffle with police, according to Storme herself and many eyewitnesses, was the defining moment that incited the Stonewall riots, spurring the crowd to action. âIt was a rebellion, it was an uprising, it was a civil rights disobedienceâit wasnât no damn riot.â[1]â
âFed up with constant police harassment and social discrimination, angry patrons and neighborhood residents hung around outside of the bar rather than disperse, becoming increasingly agitated as the events unfolded and people were aggressively manhandled. At one point, an officer hit a lesbian over the head as he forced her into the paddy wagon â she shouted to onlookers to act, inciting the crowd to begin throw pennies, bottles, cobble stones, and other objects at the police.â
âSeveral spectators agreed that it was the action of a cross-dressing lesbian â possibly StormĂŠ DeLarverie â which would change everyoneâs attitude forever. DeLarverie denied that she was the catalyst, but her own recollection matched othersâ descriptions of the defining moment. âThe cop hit me and I hit him back,â DeLarverie explained [in Kaiserâs own interview with her on 1995.12.09].â
Remembering StormĂŠ - The Woman Of Color Who Incited The Stonewall Revolution
However, there are some disagreements on this:
âCharles Kaiser suggested to the author that StormĂŠ DeLarverie (see The Gay Metropolis: 1940â1996 [Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1997], p.â198) was this woman, but she could not have been. To cite only a few of the problems with this thesis, DeLarverieâs story is one of escaping the police, not of being taken into custody by them, and she has claimed that on that night she was outside the bar, âquiet, I didnât say a word to anybody, I was just trying to see what was happening,â when a policeman, without provocation, hit her in the eye (âStonewall 1969: A Symposium,â June 20, 1997, New York City). DeLarverie is also an African-American woman, and all the witnesses interviewed by the author describe the woman as Caucasian.â
4) You know that before Stonewall, there were LGB movements, right?
https://www.out.com/entertainment/popnography/2010/03/homo-history-emma-goldman.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_actions_in_the_United_States_prior_to_the_Stonewall_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Religion_and_the_Homosexual
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Clock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Human_Rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Bilitis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Kameny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Gittings
Just a few examples for you.
5) You should also recognize that Stonewall didnât affect people outside America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific-Humanitarian_Committee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Benevolent_Association
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Federation_for_Lesbian,_Gay,_Bisexual_and_Transgender_Rights
You can deny history all youâd like, but it doesnât change it.
Stay mad. đ â
@barefootcosplayer anything? or you ignoring this because it hurts your confirmation bias?
Reblogging to read later.



















