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Miles Morales and Spider Maguire are the only movie Spider-Men that matter

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is Miles and Gwen like Peter and MJ ??? like,, in every other universe they get together,, and we know now that there will be other Gwens in Beyond The Spiderverse,,,
is that why every Gwen who falls for Spiderman don’t work out because they’re meant to be with Miles instead of Peter or ?????????
That’d be pretty funny tbh. Having all these Peter’s going on about Gwen and a bunch of Miles’ thinking to themselves, “Skill issue.”
saw this tweet and thought about how before the spiderverse movies, comic!miles storylines were largely inspired by different spiderpeople/superheroes
and spiderverse fully embraced this as a miles morales signature: he's the one most fit for the position of main character in a multiverse trilogy precisely because he was originally created as an amalgamation of the characters that came before him
and now this animated movie series is going to propel miles morales as the incomparable, irreplaceable spiderman in our cultural canon by giving him his unique spiderman narrative within the context of his character having been created as a parallel to other spideys
he learns things from the people he meets and he makes them his own! he puts his own twist into it! he does what no one else can! he is exactly like the others and absolutely nothing like them!
the glowup of a spiderman achieving full individuality in a Multiverse Trilogy featuring a hundred other spideys is just absolutely incredible, who is doing it like him
I’m glad you like the movie but OP is completely wrong about Miles. His origin arc was about discovering the bravery within himself to follow his heart as someone innately heroic and fling himself into a cruel and unfair world to do the right thing, and yes, undertaking Peter’s scary baggage was a part of that, but to say that it makes him less of his own character when what I described is completely different from Peter Parker clout chasing his uncle to an early grave and deciding to actually be heroic is just. Completely egregious. It’s part of a grand misunderstanding in the narrative that Spider-Verse “fixed” Miles even though ITSV hits the exact same beats as his origin comics. Miles’ origin being a heroic coming of age while Peter’s was explicitly a cautionary tale should be enough to let you know what makes them different but everyone’s a critic ig
Why does Miles Morales need a different name?
Why not give Peter Parker a different name. Yeah, he was the FIRST Spider-Man, but if Miles is taking his place, then maybe give him a DIFFERENT name.
Because Peter was Spider-Man was Spider-Man and is the one people mainly think of when they think “Spider-Man.”
Also, taking his place? Where? In the comics?
Like, in general. Miles was the one who took Peter’s identity to honor him. But then universes combined and now they’re both Spider-Man, so…he can’t do that anymore.
But if he COULD take his place in the comics, then he can. Peter could just retire. Or take on a new identity. Give Miles the name, let HIM be Spider-Man while Peter can be…someone else.
…And, real talk, this is partially a thing to piss off the shitbags who do the whole “Peter Parker is Spider-Man, Miles Morales is Miles Morales,” despite the fact that there are multiple versions of Spider-Man throughout the multiverse and the same universe. Yet for some reason it’s MILES MORALES that draws the line.
I can’t imagine why…
And I know it’s not the case for YOU. You actually have a viable reason. Others don’t. And it’s really THEM that I want to piss off.
I’d say Peter taking a new name wouldn’t work because it’d be…too strange. Again, Peter was the OG Spider-Man and probably has the most right to the name and legacy itself. Having him take on a new identity would feel….too od. It’d be like Batman taking on a new name because Tim Drake became Batman or Barry Allen taking on a new name when Wally West became The Flash. THEY were the original, so having them take on a new name feels…..too strange. It’s why I’m more for heroes like Miles taking on original named then having the same as their predecessor before actually replacing them. It’d why I was glad Ultimate Spider-Man took to calling him Kid Arachnid. It gave him his own original identity while still keeping him as part of the Spider legacy. Same with Gwen being Ghost Spider rather than Spider-Woma/girl.
I also think there’s another viable change that I can live with:
Call Peter the Amazing Spider-Man, and Miles the Ultimate Spider-Man.
They’re both still Spider-Man, but with ways to differentiate them.
To be fair, I meant in-Universe. Editorially, yeah. There are ways of doing that.
It could work in-universe too.
Fans can call them AS-M or US-M for short.
Friends could go, “Hey, Ultimate, Amazing, get over here.”
You can even have this cute interaction:
Miles: Is it good or bad that I’m the ULTIMATE Spider-Man? Because I feel like Amazing’s better.
Peter: What? No. You’re TOTALLY better. Ultimate is, like, the ULTIMATE complement.
Miles: Yeah, but no one ever says, “You’re ultimate.” They go, “You’re Amazing.”
Eh, I don’t know. Maybe have them be “Blue and Red (Miles is red)” because “Amazing” is more how people DESCRIBE Spider-Man. And since he doesn’t technically come from the Ultimate universe anymore, I don’t know why anyone would calls Miles “Ultimate Spider-Man”. He’s not even billed that way in the comics. Now his comics are usually “Miles Morales, Spider-man.”
Yeah, the shitbags use that to feed their argument too.
“Oh, Marvel don’t even call him Spider-Man! They call him MILES MORALES.”
Honestly, if the comics could call him Ultimate Spider-Man again, I wouldn’t mind. At all. Especially if it would shut those shitbags up.
Well, that’s dumb. That’s just an editorial thing. Again, he was “Ultimate Spider-Man” because he was from the “Ultimate Universe”. But he’s not anymore, so they just a different way to distinguish him from Peter Parker.
But would it really be so bad to call Miles the “Ultimate Spider-Man” again? I mean, when was the last time they went back to that universe? As far as I know, it died after Secret Wars.
Exactly. So there’s no reason to call him Ultimate Spider-Man anymore since he’s not from that Earth anymore. It’s not even the case of “Oh, he’s just the only person from that universe” The universe was literally rewritten so that Miles and all his supporting cast had just always existed in Earth-616 now. He doesn’t even have the memories of his time in the Ultimate Universe.
I guess.
Actually, Miles’ legacy count includes every issue of Ultimate Spider-Man, both his and the volumes that centered Peter Parker. Chronologically, editorially, objectively speaking, he’s already the Ultimate Spider-Man, and Marvel should just admit it already instead of shoehorning is name into his titles. And trying to force a different hero name altogether for him is stupid, redundant, and Kid Arachnid in particular sucks unbelievable amounts of ass. They just don’t like that Peter shares the spotlight
Can we please stop pretending Raimi Norman was a good parent
he was a horrible parent
People think he was a GOOD PARENT?!? He blew up a balcony his son was standing on!
he was pretty good by Norman standards...
Dude he shot a balcony his son was on Norman standards are in hell

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Across the Spiderverse is gonna serve the most organic and well written superhero romance in the last ten years on top of being the best cbm since ITSV and I hope you all feel dumb as shit about it when it happens
I am sorry to break Marvel's heart but Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy is a not terribly interesting romance for a variety of reasons
I know the default response is "one of them should be queer," but tbh as a queer it's not even that for me. that pairing just feels like someone was running on Fanfic Brain and treating superhero romance like when you replay a BioWare game and decide to go through different love interests
All superhero "One True Love" romances are kinda bullshit when you get down to it, but that one is like...do you have no real ambition for either of these characters? is someone putting a gun to your head? what is the reason
….so even though ITSV is about Miles becoming Spider-Man and Gwen learning to open up to people, and ATSV is gonna be about Miles fulfilling a promise to his mom to protect the little boy she raised while Gwen copes with her father trying to arrest her and what that means for her life as Spider-Woman, pairing them together means the production has no true ambition for either of them?
Morbius notwithstanding, I actually support Sony’s apparent determination to build their own little cinematic universe consisting exclusively of the grab-bag of random B listers they picked up in the Spider-Man deal. I want to see Big Wheel’s tragic backstory next.
Tell me you wouldn’t watch 105 minutes of this bullshit:
I'll do you one better. I wouldn't watch 5 minutes of that bullshit
Picture this. Peter knows that pumpkin bombs are either
Flying knives
Grenades
Vaporizing grenades
And they're all identical.
He still swung that back around and decided whatever happened was between Harry and God
Legit “fuck me? no, fuck YOU” energy.
Peter had already won that fight. He could have finished it, but leaving it at that was an act of mercy (which was apparently unappreciated)
Harry was essentially stabbing him in the back, you don’t attack someone who’s walking away. That’s fighting dirty and escalates violence in a way that can’t be brought back down
Because Peter was using Harry’s own (unidentified) projectile, he could literally return the insult without escalating the scenario any further. This is like someone bringing a gun to a knife fight and then getting shot with their own weapon
Ergo, Harry deserved that pumpkin bomb no matter what was in it
oh thank god, it's genuine spider-man 3 discourse, like a gentle rain
Though, look, let's look at this in context. Harry's not throwing a bomb at Peter's back purely because he's a sore loser. Harry's throwing a bomb at Peter's back because PETER JUST SAID HIS DAD DESPISED HIM. That honestly hurts more than the eventual bomb to the face. Because it's TRUE. Harry knows it's true. His dad hated him. His dad was an evil fuck and he hated his own son. And Peter didn't tell Harry this because Peter was trying to help Harry work through his issues. Peter told Harry this because he wanted to hurt Harry. And he did hurt Harry. And so, having hurt Harry, Peter walked away.
He wasn't walking away as an act of mercy. He'd already hurt Harry as badly as Harry could possibly be hurt. He left because he'd twisted the knife.
I dunno, Peter might've been asking for that bomb to the back.
To everyone saying "Venom was influencing him" can you watch the fucking movie where it's explicitly established that it amplifies preexisting traits of the host
Picture this. Peter knows that pumpkin bombs are either
Flying knives
Grenades
Vaporizing grenades
And they're all identical.
He still swung that back around and decided whatever happened was between Harry and God
Legit “fuck me? no, fuck YOU” energy.
Peter had already won that fight. He could have finished it, but leaving it at that was an act of mercy (which was apparently unappreciated)
Harry was essentially stabbing him in the back, you don’t attack someone who’s walking away. That’s fighting dirty and escalates violence in a way that can’t be brought back down
Because Peter was using Harry’s own (unidentified) projectile, he could literally return the insult without escalating the scenario any further. This is like someone bringing a gun to a knife fight and then getting shot with their own weapon
Ergo, Harry deserved that pumpkin bomb no matter what was in it
oh thank god, it's genuine spider-man 3 discourse, like a gentle rain
Though, look, let's look at this in context. Harry's not throwing a bomb at Peter's back purely because he's a sore loser. Harry's throwing a bomb at Peter's back because PETER JUST SAID HIS DAD DESPISED HIM. That honestly hurts more than the eventual bomb to the face. Because it's TRUE. Harry knows it's true. His dad hated him. His dad was an evil fuck and he hated his own son. And Peter didn't tell Harry this because Peter was trying to help Harry work through his issues. Peter told Harry this because he wanted to hurt Harry. And he did hurt Harry. And so, having hurt Harry, Peter walked away.
He wasn't walking away as an act of mercy. He'd already hurt Harry as badly as Harry could possibly be hurt. He left because he'd twisted the knife.
I dunno, Peter might've been asking for that bomb to the back.
I think grtting his fsce blown off hurt more.
no it was the dad thing
After attacking Peter in the Street while dosed on a super soldier gas, with lethal intent. And then using his influence over Peter’s girlfriend, his own friend, to twist the knife and manipulate him. If Peter is asking for a bomb to the back, Harry is in the way of many men in movies from the era, deserving of it equally as much.
... Nobody's mentioning that the Venom symbiote is influencing Peter's behavior.
Because it's enhancing his preexisting qualities and impulses. Even before he gets the symbiote he makes out with another woman in front of his girlfriend before proposing to her the same night.

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My real superhero hot take is that "Into the Spiderverse" was good, but it wasn't that good or as good as the actual comic event, and half of it's adaptations were actively worse then the original characters.
SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE (PART ONE) – First Look
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Miles Morales and Spider Maguire are the only movie Spider-Men that matter
Ypu know, that's the most Biased thing you said all time. Like, Really, many people Really Love Andrew and Tom's portrayal as Spider-Men. And no, NWH has done the whole Multiverse thing as great as well. Really, that film was much more of a dedication to Spider-Man than anything. Really, just crazy abd pathetic of you to try to do that.
Will you cry when NWH isn't even called up while Spider-Man 2 and Into the Spider-Verse remain the only Spidey movies to win an Oscar
To this day I am still amazed they decided to not have Shinsou defeat Bakugou at the sports festival tournament, it would have perfectly established Shinsou as a non linear threat while also allowing for an Aesop on how it's not the flashiest or more powerful quirk that's needed in hero work most of the time but the sneakiest, or a lesson on companionship with Bakugou venomously rejecting Ojiro advice and help and wanting to do shit his way only to fuck up because of that and his quick temper, like...
Come on, it was right there, the perfect Narrative Foil, the lesson about no matter how strong or privileged you might be you also need discipline in a fight least you ended up killing a civilian or making a fatal mistake.
It's basic bitch narrative 101. And we didn't even manage to get that.
It'd invalidate Deku having needed All Might's quirk to be a real hero. Can't have that
Living in two different dimensions means she and Miles miss a lot of each other. She misses when he finished a drawing he is really proud of or when he passes a test he was nervous about and he misses when the she and the Mary Janes play in an exciting new place or when she caught a villain after an exhausting fight. They miss a lot of each other and they probably can’t tell each other everything they missed either. Gwen knows this.
But one of the things that always awe her about missing parts of Miles’ life is how much he keeps growing and growing as Spider-Man.
“You made your own web shooters?” Gwen asked, “figured you’d take advantage of being the only Spider-Man in history to get his own. I mean, I know I did.”
Miles shrugged, “it had a little delay so I made a better one. Besides, the red doesn’t work with my color scheme.”
Gwen snorted. She could see Miles grinning at her laugh through the corner of her eye but decided not to comment on it.
“I like the new suit,” Gwen commented instead, “you used stencils for that, right?”
Miles shook his head, “no, that was the old suit. I decided to go for a new technique here… let me see if I can find the design…”
Miles rummaged through the drawings and sketches he drew while she was gone and Gwen peeked at them - seeing glimpses of colorfully drawn flowers and sketches of a sleeping Ganke - Miles playfully shoving her back. She chuckled and backed off, only to stare at a drawing that dropped to the floor.
A beautifully drawn image of her skipping from building to building, swift on her feet, graceful as a dancer - to be more specific. She picked it up, looking at the beautiful pinks and cyans and blacks. Even the white seemed to glow on the rough sketching paper. There were tiny signs of erase marks and faded pencil on the page, like Miles drew and redrew the sketch again and again until it was perfect. Gwen didn’t do emotions or affection or friendship, but she couldn’t help but feel all warm inside.
“Found it!” Miles announced and turned right back around to Gwen’s smirking face. “What?” he questioned.
Gwen showed him the drawing, smugness growing, “my, my, Miles, I knew you had a crush but this is something else.”
Miles immediately disappeared in front of her eyes, found sketch book floating in the air. Gwen blinked from the whiplash and surprise. “I-I also draw Ganke, it’s not-” Miles began protesting but she cut him off.
“You’re invisible,” she noted. That usually only happened when Miles felt like he was in danger. “Is something wrong?” she immediately asked. Her spider sense didn’t alert her to anything but sometimes it became glitchy when she was in another dimension. Maybe Miles sensed something she didn’t. Subconsciously, her hands became fists and her stance became fighting ready.
“I am?” Miles seemed surprised. “Oh,” he seemed to look down, as the sketch book moved. “I am,” he said, voice small.
“Nothing is wrong, right?” Gwen made sure.
Miles confirmed awkwardly with a hum, “no, no, nothing is wrong, I just… sometimes it happens when I have um… dangerlikesymptoms.”
Gwen frowned, trying to think of what danger like symptoms Miles could have been showing right before he disappeared. “Oh,” she said, understanding, “you mean when you blush?”
Miles whined, “no, I don’t blush I just-”
“That’s so cute!” Gwen cooed.
“Shut up!”
“I made Miles Morales blush!”
Miles groaned, “is it possible to turn more invisible?”

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I’m begging Xi Jinping to nuke Hollywood at this point
ngl it is funny to watch Rat Corp. routinely throw millions of dollars at marketing their capeshit to a collection of ossified Hollywood oligarchs every year because even though they’ve achieved complete cultural saturation and made more money than any movie franchise ever they still need that one last sweet hit of total hegemony by getting an award from the Old Boys Club, and every year the Oscars say “lol no”
Another reason why this is so funny bc it feels like Eternals (directed by Academy Award Winner Chloe Zhao) was gonna be the marvel movie they campaign for an Oscar this time.
Why did they change it to No Way Home? Is it bc a certain other Spider-Man movie won an Oscar a few years ago? The same movie they most likely took inspiration from to make this one?
Tobey's Peter be thinking "Sandman is the one who actually killed my Uncle Ben but I don't think that detail is important right now"
You forgot it's been ex amount of years since the end of Spider-Man 3 where he forgives him?