When are we going to talk about how utterly over the top and ridiculous neurotypical advice for ADHD and sleep is?? Itâs straight up fucking bonkers.Â
Someone with ADHD: I really really struggle to fall asleep at âregualr timesâ, no matter how tired I am I just canât seem to fall asleep at 10 pm!!! But I almost instantly fall asleep any time after 2 am. What should I do?
NT sleep advice: You, someone who cannot conceptualize time in any way whatsoever, need to identify TWO HOURS in advance when you want to sleep and, with your executive dysfunction that makes making decisions at will almost straight up impossible, make the decision to stop whatever youâre involuntarily hyperfixating on. Then, you, with a focus disorder that makes it so that you have to be doing something at all times, sit and do nothing for 2 hours. You cannot read. You cannot be on your phone. Do not move. Do not talk to people. Just sit and do nothing. If you canât fall asleep itâs because you Did Something and itâs your fault. Bluelight 24 hours before you want to sleep is the reason. Never look at a TV, Phone, computer, OR let one of these objects be within a 24,000 mile radius of you. Never ever go NEAR your bed unless youâre already asleep. If you are AWAKE in your bedroom ever you will not be able to sleep.Â
ADHD Sleep Advice: Get a job that starts at 2 pm or later and go to sleep at 4 am and wake up at noon.Â
Half my life right here lol
All my life I have had intense insomnia and all the sleep advice Iâve gotten has been like the NT bullshit. Everyone told me it was my fault and I wasnât trying hard enough. I finally went to a sleep doc and she just laughed and gave me the ADHD version of sleep advice. She told me more often than anything else she prescribes people permission to go to sleep late.
Non-snarky question: does anyone have good ADHD sleep advice for someone who is not able to get a job that starts in the middle of the day? My sister teaches high school and is a single parent to an elementary aged kid. âSleep till noonâ is not an option, but thereâs got to be something better than âso youâre just screwed, I guess!â or the aforementioned impossible nonsense. Brilliant ADHD folks, any ideas?
actually yes! For most of my life I have had horrible sleep habits, because not only do I have the classic ADHD delayed sleep phase pattern, but my goddamn hamster wheel of a brain would often keep spinning well into the early morning hours. Lots of nights spent tossing and turning, unplanned all-nighters in college, etc.
What helped was 1) anxiety meds and 2) melatonin. I have multiple timers on my phone to ensure that I take both of these before 10 PM every night, and if Iâm consistent about it I can reliably fall asleep around midnight and wake up at 7 even without a morning alarm. (I still HAVE a morning alarm, obviously. not gonna tempt fate over here.) Waking up before 7 and being any kind of functional is still a challenge, but if I had to I could probably make it work.
Also, I have emergency backup Xanax (in a tiny baby dosage) for nights when my usual routine fails to silence the hamster wheel. I go through a 30-pill refill of that in six months or so, normally. Although 2020 has been, uh, a lot more anxiety-inducing than average.
(my last doctorâs appointment was at the very beginning of March, and at the time I asked to refill my emergency Xanax for upcoming election reasons. really glad i did that, yâall.)
A) PERFECTIONISM WILL FUCK YOU
So yâall know the ADHD perfectionist thing, right, the âif I canât do it right i might as well not do it at all?â thing? Your brain tells you the same thing about sleep. âOh well, didnât make it to bed by 1230, guess Iâll stay up till 1; oh well, didnât make it to bed by 345, might as well stay up till 4.â
Please learn that that is bullshit because sometimes just consciously being aware that what youâre doing is an ADHD thing is enough to remind you that youâve got coping mechanisms for this and can shock you out of your dysfunctional pattern.
Also your ADHD brain is a shithead and will sometimes say âwell I couldnât get to sleep on time, might as well just stay up all night.â And FUCK YOUR ADHD BRAIN, any sleep is better than no sleep, Mythbusters did a thing about that, even just going to bed and closing your eyes for 20 minutes is better than not getting into bed at all and sometimes thatâs ALSO enough to trick your brain into going to fucking sleep.
B) DONâT LAY IN BED AND TORTURE YOURSELF
If youâve been in bed and unsuccessfully trying to fall asleep for more than an hour just get up (or even if you donât physically get up just pick up your book or your phone or whatever). This isnât âFine Iâll Just Stay Up All Nightâ this is âmy cycling thoughts arenât going to let me sleep so Iâm gonna distract my brain by focusing on something else for a bit.â
If you try to force yourself to fall asleep you just get stuck in a âI should be asleep, why am I still awake, what the fuck is wrong with me just go to fucking sleepâ thought pattern and keep yourself awake. Just. Play some tetris for a bit. Youâll probably get sleepy pretty soon.
C) BRING YOUR HYPERFIXATION TO BED. YES EVEN IF ITâS BLUE LIGHT.
Okay so I quit smoking about a year ago and thatâs the thing thatâs made the single biggest difference in my sleep schedule because when I was still smoking Iâd sit in the garage next to the ashtray and read/write/draw/whatever and have a cigarette every once in a while. And then Iâd get sleepy but I wouldnât be able to motivate myself to stand up and go to bed until I was more awake at which point I got more engaged in whatever it was that I was doing.
When I quit smoking I started hanging out in bed and drawing or reading fanfic or whatever and the magical thing is that when Iâm tired I can just put my phone or my notebook down and go to sleep. I even keep my meds and my phone charger and a bottle of water on my headboard so I donât have to stand up and take my pills I just put my stuff down and go to sleep. This has taken me from an average bedtime of 4-5am to an average bedtime of 1-3am and sometimes I can even go to sleep at midnight if Iâm tired enough. THIS IS MAGICAL AND HAS LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED FOR ME BEFORE. I still have âwhoops, got into this book and stayed awake until 5 amâ nights once every couple of months but it is so much better than when that used to happen two or three times a week.
(that is, of course, with a work start time of 9am; left to my own devices or working a schedule I choose Iâm more likely to be in bed by 7am and getting up at 2pm.)
D) Hey you know how they tell you to stop drinking caffeine at like, 5pm or some ridiculous bullshit? That made everything immeasurably worse for me. Honestly see if having a cup of coffee around bedtime helps.
E) TAKE FUCKING NAPS
Because hereâs the deal, if you canât get around the terrible and cruel daypersonâs schedule requirements then youâre going to just have to get used to dealing with less sleep and that is *terrible* for you but you can make it slightly less terrible by taking an afternoon or a just-off-work nap. And sometimes the nap will hit you really hard and youâll sleep for like ten hours and then youâll probably be awake too early but what, you probably didnât even have enough of a sleep schedule to be worried about ruining it.
F) If youâve got the hamster wheel going try to think about things that require your focus but that are kind of boring. I tend to either multiply by 3s until I canât keep track and then start over OR I focus on feeling the pulse in every part of my body from my toes to my scalp and back down until Iâm asleep.
GOOD LUCK.
ALSO YOU ARE NOT A LOSER OR LAZY OR A SHITTY PERSON IF YOU CANâT SLEEP AT âNORMALâ TIMES.
And Iâm sorry because youâve probably heard that and heard âwell you could do it if you really wanted toâ and that fucking blows and I wish nobody had been such a fucking asshole to you.
Not everybody sleeps on the same schedule and itâs not your fault if your brain is wired to a schedule that society thinks is wrong BUT you probably do need to recognize that society is going to do its very best to fuck you over and if you can start planning now for the kind of work that lets you set your own schedule you might want to do so. That is the kind of benefit that is on par with health insurance and 401K matching. If one business is letting you sleep at your normal schedule and another business needs you in at 8AM but pays 10K more Iâve gotta tell you that the sleep schedule that makes you feel best and not getting yelled at by your boss over lateness because you overslept AGAIN is probably worth ten thousand dollars.
And if youâre a teenager and dealing with this that is so, so, so, shitty buds. You may want to see if you can get assistance through your schoolâs disability accommodation team.
Okay but these tips are not even helping the slightest for people with ADHD that asks for tips on how to go to bed around normal time because life requires them to, and people are like âjust get a job that fits your sleep scheduleâ or âjust take napsâ as if thatâs helpful. I hate to be that person, but not using your phone 1 hour before sleep works, also reading books works really good too. The biggest issue is the executive dysfunction and to deal with that, start your going to be routine one hour earlier than what you actually planned. That way the body gets used to going to bed one hour earlier too. Also, stay consistent with that. The biggest issue is when we stay up to four am and the problem there is that we get jet lagged and sometimes it takes days to recover from one.
A tip from my psychiatrist when you have fucked your sleeping schedule: take half a melatonin pill if you have that around 5 pm and then your normal amount 30 min before bed. Then it will help you get back on normal sleeping schedule again.
âThe biggest problem is executive dysfunction and to fix that you need to have a functional understanding of time.â
Iâm gonna stop you right there, chief. I donât âplanâ to âgo to bedâ I get distracted inking and suddenly itâs 2am and I need to eat dinner.
Also no, my biggest problem is a delayed sleep phase, which is what a lot of people in this thread are talking about and which may be a problem for a significant percentage of people with ADHD.
Hi Iâm a person with ADHD and I fall asleep in bed with my phone in my hand and a cup of coffee on my nightstand hours earlier than I used to be able to because I broke the perfectionist anxiety cycle and learned to hang out places where it would be easy to fall asleep.
For 9 years Iâve also worked a job with a 9-5 schedule that is nearly as brutal on me as my 7-4 high school schedule was and I desperately miss my coffee shop job that paid a quarter as much because I was actually able to sleep on my natural sleep cycle for once in my life.
Iâm glad you found something that works for you but if âremembering to take a pill at the same time every dayâ or âhaving a set scheduleâ or âhearing alarmsâ is part of your plan for sleep management it is not a workable plan for me.
What works for me is getting around 5-6 hours of sleep a night and napping occasionally.
Iâm not saying âUwU go get a different jobâ Iâm saying âif you have the ability to plan on looking for work that allows you to set your own schedule you should understand that a benefit like that can be literally life saving if youâve got major delayed sleep issuesâ
If you have a sleep phase delay and you think youâre going to be able to successfully bully yourself into getting up at 645 every day to be a kindergarten teacher Iâve got to say that you are probably underestimating how much this kind of thing can impact your life and health and if youâre in the beginning stages of your life journey Iâd recommend maybe exploring other career options.
But after getting treated for insomnia and told to do light therapy and mediation techniques for 20 years I can tell you that what works for me is stable caffeine consumption, being able to just set stuff down and go to sleep when Iâm tired, remembering that a little sleep is better than no sleep, and occasional naps.
You ever been to the delayed sleep phase subreddit? That, my friends, is a depressing place.
But, as depressing as it is, itâs also liberating.
Iâm really, really happy that avoiding your phone after dark works for you but this was a problem for me before cell phones and home PCs were a thing I had in my life. Avoiding blue light and keeping distractions out of my room isnât going to work for me. Been there, done that, tried the melatonin.
You say âreading is any optionâ to calm you down for sleep as though a) I havenât just said that one of my remaining sleep issues is staying up because I got sucked into a book and b) sleep professionals donât tell you not to read at bedtime. They fucking do. Iâve heard them. âYou should be relaxing and settling your mind, not looking for distractions or simulation.â
Iâm not going to tell people to take melatonin or wear sleep masks or stop exercising 3 hours before bedtime because there seems to be some confusion about chronic vs. episodic sleep conditions and how they are treated.
Iâm describing pallative care for an incurable issue that Iâve had professionally treated since Bill Clinton was president. You are describing a sleep schedule that can apparently be resolved by half a dose of melatonin.
So maybe this is less âtips on how to go to bed at a normal person timeâ and more âtips on how to survive when you donât sleep like a normal person because of a condition that is fundamentally inseparable from you as a personâ
When your sleep is as fucked as mine your choices are to limit harm by getting what sleep you can or improving the sleep you get OR finding a job that lets you be your full nocturnal self.
By managing to roll my sleep schedule back more than 2 hours Iâm actually doing *incredibly* well. That is above and beyond what sleep experts expect to achieve for patients with DSPD. A 10pm bedtime is impossible for me and disappointing and disheartening to try to achieve. A 2am bedtime is a vast improvement to my quality of life and has excited and pleased my doctors to the point that my psychiatrist asked me if I had any advice i could share with his other ADHD patients.
AND I DID IT BY LETTING MYSELF FALL ASLEEP WITH MY PHONE IN MY HAND.
Or: how i leaned to stop worrying and love the blue glow.
HAVE A NICE NIGHT. I HOPE EVERYONE READING THIS SLEEPS WELL.
Your issues are not representative for all people with ADHD, and they are absolutely not answering the questions people have on how to get a normal sleep schedule. Your tips will never work for me, someone with ADHD and have sleep issues. And it probably wonât work for someone whoâs asking about getting a normal sleep schedule either. So I donât see why youâre getting so worked up about it. You are literally just describing your own issues with sleep and expects it to work on everyone else. People are not in the same situation as you are, and therefore your personal method wonât work for everyone. And also, it is about understanding of time because people with ADHD donât. We have no sense of time at all. Also, schedules works. We set our bodies at a specific time to go to bed. The reason you fall asleep at 2 am is because thatâs the time your body is used to falling asleep at. If you would train your body to go to sleep at 12 pm, then thatâs the time you get sleepy and falls asleep. Also, half a melatonin helps with the sleep hormones kicking in earlier in the evening, making you more tired when youâre âsupposedâ to go to sleep. It also work for jet lag as well. Itâs not just some bogus, a sleep therapist recommended it to me. Reading works for many people, especially when itâs a boring book. I read Les Miserable at nights when I canât sleep because the book is so awfully boring and trying to enjoy it makes me tired. Doing boring things and pushing yourself to do âtiring thingsâ gets you tired, surprisingly enough. Iâve noticed that as a person with ADHD that I get tired the moment I do something that requires me to put energy and time into something. Which causes me to take naps, which delays my sleep even further. Naps are good, but only if they are 20-40 minutes. When I get tired enough I sleep for three hours and then I canât sleep during night instead. Great tips, right. And I also donât know how you can recommend not turning off your phone when blue light literally tricks your brain into thinking itâs still day. If it works for you, then great, but no sleep therapists recommends it.
And then again with the âyou should pursuit a career where you can continue with your sleep patternâ ignoring completely that people donât have that privilege or opportunity at all. I canât pursue such a career. Itâs impossible for me, and many others. Itâs also impossible for those still in school. They need help to fix their sleep so they can function at their work and at their school and your tips are not helping them.
The question that spurred this was âis there an option between âsleep till noonâ and âyouâre just fucked, deal with itâ?â and my tips all applied to that question ALONG with the recommendation that someone look for other work.
(Iâve got no advice for parents with children who have normal hours; no idea how you do it.)
They werenât asking for a *normal* sleep schedule, they were asking for an IMPROVED sleep schedule. You know that perfectionism thing I mentioned? Youâre doing that. Youâre saying âif youâre not aiming for normal then why even bother.â Donât Let Perfect Be the Enemy of Good.
Also I am clearly not expecting it to work on everybody else; I say things like âTry Xâ and âgive this a shotâ - and I also told you Iâm glad you found something that works for you but youâre telling me âjust take half a dose of melatonin and train your body to sleep at 12 instead of 2âł like your tips will work for me.
ALSO YES THATâS WHAT WEâRE SAYING. NO SLEEP THERAPIST RECOMMENDS THESE THINGS BUT THESE THINGS WORK VERY VERY VERY WELL FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ADHD. WE ARE SAYING âA LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ADHD ARE NOT HELPED BY STANDARD SLEEP ADVICEâ so, YES, blue light tricks your brain into thinking itâs still daylight. As it turns out, for a lot of people with ADHD that is WAY less important than doing something until they fall asleep.
Weâre going to have a talk about the disability model of disease and why itâs important not to dismiss someone saying âhere are a bunch of tips that worked for meâ and a bunch of people saying âWOW, I have that ADHD and that sounds EXACTLY like me.â
So, NO, I am not describing only my problems and I am not going to bed at 2am because my body is used to it, Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder is an actual, studied condition that happens to be present in a MUCH higher percentage of people with ADHD than in the general population.
Look you can do a wikipedia about it:
This is a significant, serious physical condition and most people with this condition have been told, over and over like youâre doing now, that theyâre just not trying hard enough or that theyâre doing something wrong or that basically itâs their fault for not sleeping right.
And thatâs what youâre saying. âItâs your fault for not sleeping right.â
And what I am saying is âA LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ADHD HAVE THIS SERIOUS SLEEP CONDITION THAT CANNOT BE EFFECTIVELY TREATED WITH STANDARD SLEEP HYGIENE AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COPE WITH IT IF YOU HAVE ITâ
Here, letâs do more Wikipedia:
Rehabilitation for DSPD patients includes acceptance of the condition and choosing a career that allows late sleeping times or running a home business with flexible hours. In a few schools and universities, students with DSPD have been able to arrange to take exams at times of day when their concentration levels may be good.
Patients suffering from SWSD disability should be encouraged to accept the fact that they suffer from a permanent disability, and that their quality of life can only be improved if they are willing to undergo rehabilitation. It is imperative that physicians recognize the medical condition of SWSD disability in their patients and bring it to the notice of the public institutions responsible for vocational and social rehabilitation.
In the United States, the Americans with Disabilities Act requires that employers make reasonable accommodations for employees with sleeping disorders. In the case of DSPD, this may require that the employer accommodate later working hours for jobs normally performed on a â9 to 5â work schedule. The statute defines âdisabilityâ as a âphysical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activitiesâ, and Section 12102(2)(a) itemizes sleeping as a âmajor life activityâ.
Iâm sorry that youâve apparently signed a contract and locked yourself in a career that means youâll never be able to look for any other kind of work than the work that youâre currently doing but *literally* the only advice I gave students was âSEE IF YOU CAN TALK TO A DISABILITY COUNSELOR AT YOUR SCHOOL BECAUSE THIS IS A DISABILITY.â
(Iâm also sorry that you seem to legitimately believe that career changes arenât possible for a lot of people. Like. You are a clever and talented human being who can learn new skills and absorb new information. I believe in you.)
Iâm *aware* that students are fucked by this. I think it is WRONG that they are forced to comply with an unnatural-to-them sleep schedule that can cause injury or increase suicidality.
But Iâm sitting here saying âIf youâve got a broken spine you probably need to reconsider whether youâre going to be able to work as a barista; lifting things is difficult for people with broken spines and if you have the opportunity to look for a job that doesnât require lifting or standing constantly it will improve your quality of life and is a significant benefitâ
and youâre going âWell SOME people with broken spines donât have the PRIVILEGE of looking for other work, they should just do what I did for my sprained ankle and wrap their spine in a bandage until it feels better.â
Someone working as a barista with a broken spine is obviously impaired and disabled, they are literally not able to do their work. Somebody with a broken spine working in an office might not seem disabled at all, their injury likely doesnât have any impact on their work. Someone who uses a wheelchair might have a lot of trouble living in a building with 10 flights of stairs; that same person is going to have less trouble if theyâre living in a building with ramps and elevators.
âNormalâ sleeping hours are heavily reinforced by society and having a sleep schedule outside of those hours is pretty heavily punished and definitely ridiculed and dismissed as laziness (like youâre doing now).
But if we accept that some people donât sleep during ânormalâ hours and look for ways to accommodate them then everyone benefits.
And from me and everyone else with circadian sleep disorders in the notes here: Stop Telling Me That My Disabling Chronic Condition That Is Common In People With ADHD Is An Inconvenient Problem That Should Be Solved By Hard Work And Gumption By Recommending Solutions That The Original Post Listed As Ineffective For Their Brand Of ADHD.
I donât know why youâre getting this riled up about this, but damn. Itâs as if you talk to someone who has no idea how ADHD works. I know, because I have ADHD. And your tips are not applicable for people in my current situation, and to those who maybe cannot give up a career just so they can go to bed whenever their executive function allows them to. I cannot go to bed at 4 am when I have school at 8.30 am, and no matter how much I talk to my counsellor thatâs not going to change. My classes starts at that time and I cannot do shit about it. Therefore your advice just isnât applicable to me and many others in my situation. We need to sleep a certain amount of hours so we can do well in school.
Also, ADHD is not considered a disability in my country. I donât get aid or certain accommodations for disability because I have ADHD, so thatâs also out of the question. Schools and working places donât have to give me accommodation unless I struggle super hard in performing, which I unfortunately donât. So no, I cannot just get disability accommodation when ADHD is not even considered a disability. And the comparison to people wheelchairs and broken spines are just low. You have a âdisabilityâ but youâre not impaired physically in any way, and getting a ânormalâ sleep schedule isnât impossible with the right measures. Of course someone in a wheel chair cannot be at a construction site, but someone with ADHD can work at one if they get their sleep schedule fixed. And your advice just wonât help that. I, and many others, donât want to have to choose careers that matches our sleep schedule just because we have ADHD. We want to be able to pursue the career we want regardless, and thus wanting advice on how to make their sleep work. The question was literally SLEEP ADVICE FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT GET A JOB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, and you just said âdonât get such a jobâ as if people are able to choose their careers at all times. Thatâs incredibly tone deaf, and itâs not answering to their question. You just answered with what works for you. And even if many other with ADHD can relate to you doesnât mean all of us will. Your advice wonât work for me, and I said that and proposed things that works better for me so people can try it and see if it works for them. And you just got all defensive just because I said your tips doesnât work or is applicable to the question thatâs asked.
Also, itâs so ironic when you talk to me as if Iâm a neurotypical despite having ADHD myself and struggles with sleep. It seems as if someone cannot deal with the fact that everyone with ADHD just doesnât function the exact same. I cannot take your advice because they wonât work for me. And if thatâs an issue with you, too bad.
You talk about it like I didnât suffer through every year of my primary education on 5 or fewer hours of sleep per night with a misdiagnosis of insomnia and a strict schedule of going to my bedroom at 8PM, turning all the lights off, and promptly staring at the ceiling until 2-3am.
Iâm so glad you brought up the broken spine thing and called it low because the barista with the broken spine was me, and LITERALLY working as a barista with a broken spine was less of an issue than trying to treat DSPD.
It sucks that you live in a country that doesnât recognize ADHD as a disability because it SUPER DUPER is but I never told you to do what works for me, I told you to stop telling people that the only thing that works is a bunch of things that theyâve already tried that do not work and to stop dismissing people saying âit is impossible for me to go to sleep before 3am even with good sleep hygiene; what do I do?â
And my response to someone saying âsleeping till noon isnât an optionâ was to provide a bunch of tips that help me to not sleep till noon PAIRED with the recommendation that people who have this problem might want to consider other options.
You keep saying âsome of us WANTâ a normal sleep schedule and âsome of us WANTâ to work in daytime careers and, look, I wanted to continue working as a barista but I could not physically do it.
I am telling you: Many people who have ADHD also have a comorbid issue called Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder, many people with ADHD are not aware of that and will try unsuccessfully, for decades, with medical supervision, to create a ânormalâ sleep schedule but they are physically incapable of doing so without external monitoring and live-in aids; they are physically prevented from doing so by chemicals in their brains and no amount of wishing they were able to sleep normally will make it happen. People who attempt to treat this without recognizing that it is incurable and harm reduction is the best they can hope for frequently get extremely depressed or become reliant on addictive sleep aids.
You are saying ânuh-uh, that isnât real youâre just lazy, you could fix it if you really wanted toâ and Iâm telling you that is exactly what NT folks tell ADHD folks.
I, and many others, donât want to have to choose careers that matches our sleep schedule just because we have ADHD. We want to be able to pursue the career we want regardless, and thus wanting advice on how to make their sleep work.
Iâm sure you donât want to have to choose careers that donât have a lot of task switching, donât require uninterrupted focus on boring things, or provide a constant high level of stimulation either but those are things that are important to consider when youâre looking for work because itâs important to consider the symptoms of your condition when youâre looking for work.
Something that requires high attention to detail is not going to be a good match for people with inattentive ADHD. Something that requires long stretches of repetitive, boring actions is not going to be a good match for people with hyperactive ADHD. Something that requires you to wake up early every day is not going to be a good match for ADHD folks with DSPD.
Themâs the breaks, kid. Sometimes disabilities take your choices away.
âLook for work that it suited to the symptoms of your disabilityâ is completely uncontroversial advice that nonetheless is not frequently offered to people with ADHD and its attendant sleep issues.
And the reason Iâm getting riled up is because you keep saying âyour disorder isnât a disorder, you could fix it if you triedâ when I am repeatedly explaining that this is a well-studied chronic condition that is considered a disability requiring accommodations in a lot of countries and if your country doesnât consider ADHD or DSPD a disability then your country is straight-up wrong and coming on to an ADHD post to dismiss other peopleâs ADHD-related disabilities as laziness or refusal to make an effort is an extremely neurotypical move even if you DO have ADHD (âround these parts we call that âinternalized ableismâ).
















