Redstar6

What a cute Satoshi doll… wait a minute, that’s not a doll!

... *looks to see if there's anyone that wants to fight me on this before saying*

... I don't like Sonally. I think it's just stereotypical, and nonsensical. I'd argue that it strips both characters in the ship in question, because everytime they're paired up, Sally gets bossy around Sonic, and cannot seem to stop barking at him like he's some dog. Sonic's core personality traits -- his freedom, his ability to take care of himself, the works -- is often removed to make Sonic nothing more than a dog Sally can throw at her enemies. It's not good for either party, and the more you think of it, the more it falls apart because of how clashed the two are.

HAHAHAHAHA- no.

Try again.

If true, then please explain why that Got Gone yet the games continue to stick around.

I believe that part of the reason why I caught onto several of IDW's writing flaws and bad habits earlier than most readers (overusing lyrics in place of dialogue, flippant use of super forms, Sonic's characterization being a little off, Sonic announcing his philosophy to people who already know him by the back of their hand), was because I was going in with the knowledge that Flynn and the gang were handling it, meaning that I was taking notes on what lessons they had learned from Archie. Rather than going in as if it were written by newcomers with no prior experience with the franchise.

I NEED TO STOP MAKING SUCH LONG ASS PIECES.

anyways wooopiiee finally got this done!! i recorded a speedpaint alongside it too (first one that im actually very happy with :DD)

You have awaken ancient memories in me, because when I first got into the fandom (so around 2004-2006), I read that information being written as if it was canon, in a list of characters bios. Even back then I was like "Olgilvie...? What kind of name is that?"

I had no idea that it came from Archie and that Archie was an absolute mess :^) but then I kept playing the games, ignored Archie, and forgot about that fun trivia since, y'know, in the games Sonic is Sonic.

(and TIL that in Archie, Maurice the Hedgehog is Sonic's grandfather. lmao)

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The thing is though, for a serious animated series a story featuring two protagonists and a villain is a little limiting, so they added more characters.

As for Tails being sidelined, ONCE AGAIN in season 3 he was supposed to step up,it was supposed to go on for like 4 seasons I think.

And again as for canon material I mean backstory, and you know what is NEVER mentioned in the manual for Sonic the hedgehog 2?

TAILS' TECH SKILLS! It wasn't until Tails' Adventure a game released TWO years where Tails' tech skills are visually shown.

The only other indicator is him piloting the Tornado, but good pilot skills don't necessarily mean super genius, Sonic's a pilot and he's not a genius!

They seemed fine with having Sonic, Tails and Eggman for AoStH as the main three, as well. Also, why would anyone want to wait for Tails to 'get better' in season 3, when both the games and AoStH showed him capable already?

Tails'progression: See that's because of a thing called CHARACTER development, they wanted Tails to start out as the little brother but become into his own later. FOLLOW UP to that, even in Adventures Tails started out as a sidekick before showing his tech skills and saving the day on his own, so you're essentially criticizing Satam for doing something Adventures did.

My moot point: WOW, way to show your cards with the Mary Sue comment. But yes, she was generic/notthebest in the original drafts... which is why they friggin CHANGED HER to be more of an action girl, so what the hell are you even complaining about?! Finally, everything from Tails...AND Sonic and Eggman?! Yeah,no, they were still the hero and villain they were if not more so, Sonic had a god damn emotional arc and EVERYTHING with Uncle Chuck!

well yeah, Sonic is a GAME franchise, so.... naturally?

>Adventures was a different production that guessed right

Oh, it GUESSED using the fact that the series is ABOUT Sonic vs Eggman, Tails is Sonic's side kick, that the badniks look like how they look in the games, that the chaos emeralds and the Tornado exist, that the world has a surrealist design, and referencing the names of several game zones? You know, all stuff that was readily evident in the games which SatAM completely disregarded?

Also, no, it was not a "different production." They were BOTH produced by DiC and indeed had many of the same creative individuals involved in both shows. A casual appraisal of the shows imdb and wikipedia pages will lead you to discovering this information. I don't know what you think the word "production" means.

>Tails' progression

giving a character back traits they should have had in the first place is not "progression." Tails STARTED OUT as a side kick, pilot, AND YES mechanically inclined gadgetear in the video games. The show doesn't need THREE SEASONS to get to where the games STARTED AT.

>Hurst didn't have access to the Japanese manual because SEGA of Japan didn't give it.

I recall seeing an Archie panel (It was in a moots very recent post about Sonic playing guitar in both IDW and Archie.) in which Sonic slavishly states that things haven't been better partly because Sally's monarchy is young and strong or something to that effect.

Yeah. They should have done it when Sonic Adventure rolled around instead of the flipping Reboot.

Rotor would also be a good equivalent to the Tails Adventure Tails, committing war crimes by the dozen. (Mostly via Napalm)

As for Dulcy, well, I have no clue what to do with Dulcy at the moment.

Thing is, most Sonic fangames are about high speed platforming. What does 'high speed platforming' have to do with stealth/infiltration?

And Tails Adventure is a better Rotor-esque game than a hypothetical Rotor-esque game there would be. Last I checked, 'all underwater' games don't sell well unless there's some sort of survival mechanics involved, like Subnautica.

I can't stop thinking from the High Speed Platforming angle simply because the series is based around that premise. You wouldn't make a Kirby game - a platformer that's designed for even kids to learn how to play platformers the first time - to have the same difficulty curve as Dark Souls - the game series that's notorious for having such a barrier of entry because the beginning part is so hard to get through. Now, that doesn't mean there can't be difficulty spikes in Kirby, or that Dark Souls can't be easy to traverse through at points in the beginning. I'm simply saying that their identity is tied to what their premise was when the first game was being developed, and the core philosophy that follows thereafter influences the games that are made from it. As such, many Sonic Fangame makers are going to be tackling their games from a 'How will these characters work in a high Speed Platformer game?' as opposed to 'What Fangame will I make that hasn't been done for this series yet?'. Sonic was made because the idea of zooming through levels to get to that one Warp Pipe Zone that got one further on the levels in Super Mario Bros. was what sparked the idea of High Speed Platforming, and the characters have to be able to get to that very Warp Pipe Zone in as little time as possible for them to count.