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I sure as hell hope they've saved some of the nastiness they gave Gabrielle for Marius. Because I'm telling you all, if I suspect that while they've turned stoic, balanced and independent Gabrielle (one of my favorite book characters) into a sex crazed maniac who casually and repeatedly SAs her own son, they opted out for giving Marius (a canonical sexual abuser as well as predatory pedophile) a whitewashing, boy, I will absolutely lose it.
Louis’ actions are wrong and uncomfortable, but they come from a deeply broken place
jacob anderson and delainey hayles did not give us some of the strongest performances and the most compelling arc of this season so far just for people to reduce it to “haha pimp louis is back to his pimp ways” and “once a pimp, always a pimp.”
it's still baffling how that's the main fandom interpretation of this arc when it clearly is supposed to be about louis' grief. it’s about a father grieving his daughter in the worst, most unhealthy way possible.
and if nuance can be applied to every character under the sun, it can be applied to him too. we can discuss that story line without reducing it to shallow conclusions that dismiss both the arc and the writing choices.
louis is a vampire in a perpetual state of grief and guilt, with paul, his family, and his humanity and claudia was deeply tied to that grief and guilt.
he chose claudia partly because of his immense guilt over the violence inflicted on his community (and i also have my own issues with how this fandom talks about that because people are way too quick to blame louis for starting a race riot as if racist white people needed an excuse to brutalize black people)
anyway, louis was not a perfect father. no one is arguing that but he loved claudia. and then he watched her get tortured while both of his lovers played a role in that trial and in the end, she died while he was completely helpless to save her and louis never actually processed that trauma.
immediately after claudia died, he entered a relationship with armand. a relationship built on manipulation, and lies because according to louis’ memory at that point, armand was also the one who saved him.
except we know now armand orchestrated the play and we also know armand manipulated louis’ memories in ways we still don’t fully understand.
we don’t know how often louis spiraled in grief and how often armand stepped in to “help,” only to further distort his reality.
but we know the grief never left, we saw a glimpse of it in the 70s interview when louis walked into the sun and wanted to die. and armand wiped it away.
then the marriage with armand collapses because of daniel in modern day and for the first time in decades, louis is left alone with himself, alone with his grief and guilt.
and then he sees a girl who literally looks like claudia.
imagine losing your daughter in the most horrific way imaginable, blaming yourself and never properly grieving her. and then one day you see her again.
of course he doesn’t know what to do with that.
and i think part of louis genuinely believed he was helping her.
he failed claudia. here is a young girl struggling. he has the money, power, and resources to help. maybe helping regina becomes a way to soothe his guilt and keep claudia close.
also, louis is: 1. rich and powerful 2. a man 3. a vampire.
any one of those things creates an imbalance but louis is all of those things. regina knows that too.
she’s not naive, she’s smart and knows a man this rich and powerful does not approach her with a story about his dead daughter without wanting something.
so she plays the role for money.
the whole story is tragic, and louis knows this is wrong and wouldn't end well but he can't stop because grief does not make people rational.
and louis, despite being a vampire, is at his core still deeply human here. this is a very human thing to do, if you've ever felt grief you'd want to do anything to escape it. it's painful and the pain is all he has left of claudia.
so i don't think the point of the louis/regina arc is to ONLY show that louis would always be a pimp, you can explore his pattern of paying for emotional intimacy the same way we’ve seen him do with miss lily and even daniel in different ways.
but honestly, i also think it’s incredibly boring that every bad thing louis does gets explained by “well, he was a pimp when he was human.”
he’s a capitalist. he’s rich. he’s powerful. he’s a vampire and what he’s doing is deeply immoral by human standards.
but it’s also very relatable and understandable in a deeply uncomfortable way.
grief makes people irrational and desperate. it makes people cling to anything that gives them relief, even when they know it’s wrong.
camp isn't an excuse for bad writing
i like camp. i like theatricality, melodrama, tonal absurdity, all of it. camp can be incredible when there’s actual good reason behind it and the writing understands exactly what it’s doing.
my problem is that TVL often feels messy and indulgent.
it wants to be everything at once. funny, tragic, sexy, profound, chaotic, self-aware. and instead of those things elevating each other, they often just clash.
and before anyone comes at me to say “but that’s the point, it’s camp,” camp is not an excuse for weak structure or sloppy writing. camp still requires precision. arguably more precision, because if you’re constantly operating at that level of excess, you need control or the whole thing starts collapsing under its own weight and becomes cringe.
bojack horseman is a good example of media balancing absurdity with emotional depth without feeling shallow or dated and it literally came out in 2014 and is packed with satire and references rooted in a very specific cultural moment, and yet it still works in 2026 because the writing underneath is strong. the references enhance the writing. they never become the writing.
that’s where TVL loses me because a lot of its humor and theatricality feels rooted in current online fandom culture. parts of it feels like it's made for viral clips, gifs, memes, tweets. just for anyone that wants to farm content on how iconic a scene is five minutes after it airs and that kind of writing ages fast.
the first two seasons were camp too, it has always been part of this show’s dna but the difference is in s1 and s2 every ridiculous moment had a narrative purpose.
and yes, i know we’re dealing with different narrators now. i understand that louis and lestat are different storytellers so of course the show was always going to feel different from his perspective, i expected that.
“it’s from lestat’s pov” should explain the tonal shift but not justify weak execution.
and i want to be clear, i’m still enjoying the show and i don't want it to be cancelled, i'm leaving high reviews because i love these characters. i love this world and this is still one of my favorite shows.
which is exactly why i’m being critical.
i actually think a lot of the ideas here could work. i understand what the writers are trying to do but the execution, the pacing, the tone, the way scenes are structured and how the emotional beats are landing is terrible.
i know this show can do better and part of my disappointment is coming from high expectations.
i'm not holding tvl to some impossible standards, i’m holding it to the standard the show itself already established in s1 and s2.
and right now, i just don’t think it’s meeting that standard.
the last four episodes have been passable to me and for most shows, passable would be fine but this isn’t just any show to me, this is a show i genuinely love, and i expect more from it because i know what the writers are capable of.
i’m still hopeful the final three episodes pick up.
because i want to love this season the way i loved the first two.
right now i just feel more disappointed than impressed.
snobby “media literate” fans are genuinely upset that i’m comparing bojack horseman to tvl like tvl is some prestige television and bojack sucks because it’s a cartoon about a talking horse.
when honestly, tvl writers should’ve taken better inspiration for the direction they wanted the show to go, because bojack managed to center an incredibly controversial, destructive lead for six seasons without making him unbearable to watch.
i’m pretty sure the tvl writers are already taking inspiration from bojack too, especially with the episode where lestat sits at a table with his fledglings (i.e. his failures), which looks very similar to the dinner table scene in the view from halfway down.
and even if you don’t agree with my comparison, there’s nothing wrong with comparing two of my favorite shows when i can clearly see similarities, especially when both writers seem to be aiming for similar emotional territory except one succeeded while the other just... isn't.
Last IWTV critique of the day, I swear. And probably the most sensitive one for some folks. But I am tired and out of sensitivity spoons, so. Consider yourself warned:
I'm very sorry to many of my beloved mutuals and followers for having what is obviously a very different opinion/experience of this aspect of the show than some of you.
But like.
The DM confession is the biggest jump the shark moment in the entire show.
It's more or less over for me.
Even if I watch the rest of the season, I just. I can't take this show seriously from this point. I just don't really have any expectations that the show will ever right the course for me again.
Because they did this. And now they can't undo it.
Instead of belaboring the point, I'll go through it as quick as I can:
Outside of fandom conspiracy theorizing, this was not earned. It was not an actual unmistakable romantic plotline the way that Loustat and Loumand were. Or Claudeleine. Or Gabistat. If they wanted me to buy into it, they would've had to lead up to it. And they simply... did not. Even compared to whatever the fuck they're doing with the sexual history between Armand and Lestat. Or the sexual/fond relationship implied between Daniel and Louis? But Armand and Daniel, more than any other relationship in the show, did not earn this moment here. Not at this point.
Retconning what Louis meant to Armand, even in a complicated way, is just Not It for me. From a writing standpoint, from a narrative consistency standpoint. For honoring the time I've spent invested in this story, and trying to follow the actual strings of the character development they've laid out with intention in the past across seasons. (Also: lowkey racist!).
I also don't feel like I know who Armand is anymore. That's a huge problem for me. Like many DM shippers, though I'm not one, Armand was tied for being one of my top two favorite characters along with Louis. Seeing him be written in a way that feels like it unravels and retcons two seasons of carefully crafted character work? Ummmm. NO!! Like? what...?
Ebogo is not good enough of an actor to be a romantic lead. There, I said it, and I feel bad about it, because it's a mean thing to say. Which is part of why I've been mostly keeping my mouth shut about it for 2.5 seasons. But it's what I've always felt, and it hasn't ever really gotten better. He's barely good enough of an actor to be kept afloat in most scenes by the other actors around him. I honestly used to like him and think he was really good before this role, but... Pretty much the second he showed up on screen in iwtv, it was just scene after scene of him not living up to the material. And not syncing with the tone of the show. I tried to roll with it anyway, but. Suffice it to say, the idea of DM in its essence isn't bad (if executed in a way that makes any sense to people who aren't die-hard conspiracy-theory level shippers). But ebogo is not it. It's not working for me as-is. I just... cannot imagine him in a real romantic scene. Because of the baseline level of intimacy and softness it takes to do that kind of thing.
The worst part of all this is that, even WITH the problems with the actor that I've had since day 1? I was still getting sort of excited for where they would take that relationship from here. Even if it was going to be romantic! I was hoping that maybe I'd just be proven wrong, or he would get better directing, or maybe even an acting coach. And that after that, I could maybe be into it, if they built it up well!
After getting turned, there was finally some actual meat on the bone to dig into with these two characters! A place to start from, and grow from! Organically!
:/
I just cannot state enough how much that love confession jumped the shark for me. And I just don't think I can take the show with any real seriousness, or trust that it's doing intentional thoughtful character work anymore.
I have a lot more I could say about all this, and maybe I will say it later. Maybe not. I've already yapped a lot about all the problems in this episode and this season specifically. I want to be done writing any sort of review or critique or meta, at least for today.
Once again, I'm sorry to my friendly neighborhood DM shippers. Overall the ones I've directly interacted with have been some of the best ones in my particular bubble; truly been some of the best people in the fandom! I'm glad you feel happy and fed. For those of you that do.
But I feel like if I do keep talking about this show, I don't know how I can pretend that confession wasn't the last, biggest straw of this episode/season.
And how much it's making me not only disinterested, but actively dread whatever it is they have planned for Armand this season. (Which already feels noticeably underbaked to start with)

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A producer should've been gentle parenting Rolin.
Is that three books? Wow, that's so many! I love that you love your books, but let's do one at a time, okay?
It's okay... here, I'm going to put Queen of the Damned and Tale of the Body Thief right here! And after we take our nap, our mind will feel better, and our imagination will be so big! And we can make a list of what we learned in The Vampire Lestat!
And when The Vampire Lestat is ALL DONE 👏 then we will talk about starting Queen of the Damned! Does that sound fun?
Nooooo, we can't just say memory is a monster again. Noooooo, we can't just say the art of recollection when we forget or when we get confused about what we did or didn't read or write down. It's okay to be confused, but what isn't ok, Rolin? That's right. Lying! Just lying to the audience is cheap and disrespectful! So let's not rush and tell lies where we should've instead been so so patient.
Rolin, if you're gonna treat the Gabrielle and Nicki dolls like that, I'm gonna put them up. That's not respectful. That's not nice. That's not on theme. Do we wanna take a break until we feel better about theme? Yeah, I think that's for the best. Let's get you down for your nap and I'll see if I can fix Gabrielle and Nicki while you have nice, pretty Lestat dreams.
This may be my favorite #tvlcritical so far
HOW TO ALIENATE YOUR AUDIENCE SPEEDRUN ANY%
People who are more cohesive with their words have probably described the “fandomization” of every piece of media but ill try even doe I'm bad at writing.
Genuinely who is season 3 made for. Do the writers think their audience is really that stupid and wouldn't want to watch a period drama as if that wasn't the entirety of the last two seasons? And the fans that say they’re not showing Lestat's past because he struggles with it is such a cope. And a bad way to adapt a book that revolves around literally that. Shocking that these are the same people who wrote the first two seasons, but not really, because its telling we dick rode them too hard and inflated their egos like crazy and now we’re eating dogslop for it.
With the false memory and “unreliable narrator” theme they've got going on they're trying to create some kind of artificial depth that’s already there in the novels. Praised for being “cerebral” but its just Anne Rice's subtext and its way overdone this season because they took a gimmick fans were receptive to and ran with it. I really do think they believe the audience is dumb as bricks because its obvious Lestat has an incestuous relationship with his mom and Louis with Claudia without it needed to be dramatically pointed out consistently. It’s almost like despite all the flaws when it comes down to it Anne Rice is actually a good writer. Speaking of shoved down our throats, yes bro just one more post-ironic internet age quip bro it'll totally be the meta commentary people are asking for. And also make it racist and homophobic
Why are we wasting time trying to get me to care about these present day characters i don't gaf about the band guys doing coke or the lawyer whoring herself out. Feels like a tumblr user who listens to mcr trying to write about “”punk”” bands. It was funny the first time in the first episode and then they did it fifty more times as if we didn't get it already. maybe an uncommon opinion but i enjoyed the first episode, its a good introduction to our new protagonist and what hes got going on rn. clear storytelling which evaporates into thin air for the next three episodes. we only really need to see present day Lestat here in this one episode for the setup for the flashbacks. We did not see present day Louis this much did we
Most people who were invested in the second season read the books in anticipation for this one. And I've already read tons of posts of better ideas from just like random people on the internet, like its really not that hard, someone already did the hard part which was writing the novel. But really I blame the writers for reading Too Many Posts. We need more writers that have never heard of twitter at all and also maybe some that aren't so painfully straight adapting Rice's works. Calling Armand a twink feels like a hate crime. And the weird comment about Louis but POC have written about it better than I can. Which got me thinking i have seen critiques that theyre doing all of this to hype up a white lead and i didnt think too deeply of it until now, but yes like of course the show with the cringey white band dude as protagonist is the perfect appeal to tumblr fandom (bandom?) room-temperature-IQ shippers. Yes dude just keep saying the buzzwords over and over again the fandompigs will eat up their slop. I watch tv so I can get the same social media brainrot words that I'm already bombarded with thrown back at me of course. At the end of the day my question is who is this for? Is it like a fuck you to people who enjoyed the historical drama that made the last two seasons what they are? Is it for people who make posts like this? I guess
I'm watching for Nicki atp who btw is a compelling character that people fell in love with after 10 minutes of screen time and they nerf him for what? Bad devils minion and misogyny? Same with rewriting Gabrielle’s character. Why don't they want us to be invested in 1790s France?
“We’re the first team to ever adapt tvl” and then they dont
tdlr- Two years of hype for shit from a butt and its for fandomcucks
Imagine what this season could have been had they just worked with the books instead of writing the most derivative sex drugs rock and roll rockstat fanfic. If we had to include qotd in this season then why not take from the actual structure of the pre-concert chapters from qotd. Imagine if the bulk of this season was an actual Molloy interview on the contents of tvl with snippets of all the characters from qotd circling around the concert. If the point of all this random bullshit they're calling a plot is to build to the events of qotd, why not actually use the actual textual stuff that builds to qotd??
camp isn't an excuse for bad writing
i like camp. i like theatricality, melodrama, tonal absurdity, all of it. camp can be incredible when there’s actual good reason behind it and the writing understands exactly what it’s doing.
my problem is that TVL often feels messy and indulgent.
it wants to be everything at once. funny, tragic, sexy, profound, chaotic, self-aware. and instead of those things elevating each other, they often just clash.
and before anyone comes at me to say “but that’s the point, it’s camp,” camp is not an excuse for weak structure or sloppy writing. camp still requires precision. arguably more precision, because if you’re constantly operating at that level of excess, you need control or the whole thing starts collapsing under its own weight and becomes cringe.
bojack horseman is a good example of media balancing absurdity with emotional depth without feeling shallow or dated and it literally came out in 2014 and is packed with satire and references rooted in a very specific cultural moment, and yet it still works in 2026 because the writing underneath is strong. the references enhance the writing. they never become the writing.
that’s where TVL loses me because a lot of its humor and theatricality feels rooted in current online fandom culture. parts of it feels like it's made for viral clips, gifs, memes, tweets. just for anyone that wants to farm content on how iconic a scene is five minutes after it airs and that kind of writing ages fast.
the first two seasons were camp too, it has always been part of this show’s dna but the difference is in s1 and s2 every ridiculous moment had a narrative purpose.
and yes, i know we’re dealing with different narrators now. i understand that louis and lestat are different storytellers so of course the show was always going to feel different from his perspective, i expected that.
“it’s from lestat’s pov” should explain the tonal shift but not justify weak execution.
and i want to be clear, i’m still enjoying the show and i don't want it to be cancelled, i'm leaving high reviews because i love these characters. i love this world and this is still one of my favorite shows.
which is exactly why i’m being critical.
i actually think a lot of the ideas here could work. i understand what the writers are trying to do but the execution, the pacing, the tone, the way scenes are structured and how the emotional beats are landing is terrible.
i know this show can do better and part of my disappointment is coming from high expectations.
i'm not holding tvl to some impossible standards, i’m holding it to the standard the show itself already established in s1 and s2.
and right now, i just don’t think it’s meeting that standard.
the last four episodes have been passable to me and for most shows, passable would be fine but this isn’t just any show to me, this is a show i genuinely love, and i expect more from it because i know what the writers are capable of.
i’m still hopeful the final three episodes pick up.
because i want to love this season the way i loved the first two.
right now i just feel more disappointed than impressed.
IWTV is a good adaptation, TVL is not: An Analysis
Strap in folks because this is a long one (TW: sexual abuse, incest)
Introduction:
I have always praised IWTV season 1 and 2 for being what an adaptation should be. It didn't tell us the exact same story we know and love, but it took the soul of that story and imbued it into new, unique ideas. The plot wasn't the same, but it was recognizable. The characters weren't the same, but they were recognizable. Not only that, but there was this intrinsic understanding of the source material that allowed for many of the themes in the books to be expanded upon in insightful ways. For example, one of the best changes they have ever made was making Louis a black man; Vampirism had always been, at least in part, about being the 'other'- outcasted, demeaned by society because of your traumas or identities. Tying race into that is BRILLIANT, and adds a whole new layer to the themes of the books that so many people took comfort in and related to. TVL, however, has shown none of the integrity the first two seasons had (so far), and- I would dare to say- is intentionally straying away from the source material, thus isolating book fans in favor for a more popular show.

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I can't help but find it interesting how everything Lestat says is true unless it's Lestat admitting he was an asshole. After episode 3 his fans were denying he cheated on Nicki, now it's confirmed and there's this new narrative that Lestat is lying because whatever reason you pull out of your ass. He admits he wanted to punish both Louis and Armand and it's him lying again, this can't be real, he never said this in reality or he said this because he didn't want to show his vulnerability to Armand. I don't think you guys actually love Lestat for who he is.
feeling totally normal and cool about them
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i sure hope gabrielle doesn't get humiliating scenes this episode
Just rude
I am a strict no rpf in my life sort of person, only fictional hyper fixations please, but Assad, Eric and LBF make it so hard... Like I got to Instagram for a second and THIS is waiting for me?
I am sorry???
I beg your pardon????
Excuse me????

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