Onyx here ! Decided to do a little interactive game thingy and thought of some Spring awakening questjina in the style of those anon asks lists āŗļøš
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orrr tumblr fashion you can make them into ask prompts and have people request a number for you to answer,
ORR you can treat it like a daily challenge where you answer one question a day however you want !
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(By @winter-asleepening )
1. how were you introduced to the show?
2. Seen a production live?
3. Dream role/character you relate to most
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Anyone know of some good, well recorded productions of Spring Awakening the musical ā¦? I wanna show a friend and I donāt mind if itās not the OBC or Deaf West (though deaf actors would be cool to show him <3)
I have a captioned version of DWSA that I am willing to trade for as well :)
Moritz hitting a growth spurt earlier than his classmates and putting another brick on the pile of reasons he feels uncomfortable in his teenage years.
He always feels like he stands out because of his height, the odd man out that everyone stares at because heās different.
In actuality most of his classmates just wish they were that tall, so they seem more like teenagers and men than boys
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Do you think a Spring Awakening movie musical could be made today?
Yes
No
Voting ended onApr 17, 2025
(Similar to my other poll about Bare: a pop opera but leaving it up for a week this time lol)
From an internet perspective at least, it seems like people are moving away from-Or at least becoming more critical of- sexual themes and explicit scenes in their movies and tv. And there has been a lot of discussion (I believe mostly on the internet but still) about children and teens being subjected to sexual imagery.
Makes you think if most people would stick their noses up at the subject matter. I personally think it could be a hard sell but worth it if they found the right devoted team with a vision, rather than any studio willing to have them
Do you think a Bare: a pop opera movie could be made in with todayās queer acceptance/normalization?
Yes
No
Voting ended onApr 9, 2025
While I definitely believe/know that religious groups are still not accepting of queerness, I wonder if mainstream (and most likely mostly queer) modern audiences will have the same reaction and relation to the characters and its story.
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potentially controversial b;apo take, but hey, why not -- there are many more things i would've liked to say, but they didn't really fit neatly into the main thesis i was working under ;
the merit of considering Jason and Ivy's sex during 'One' as a depiction of assault, drawing parallels to Spring Awakening
To preface; I acknowledge that I am not using 1:1 examples. Since both b;apo and Spring Awakening are stage shows, there is so much of the atmosphere that is created through lighting and blocking and the subtleties in the way that each of the characters are played against one another, thereās no way to make a definitive blanket statement. That said, I was personally inspired by the production of b;apo I got the absolute pleasure of seeing live last year. Not only did we have the Ivy ever, but the team made an, in my opinion, super brilliant choice when it came to 'One'. They cut the āit was cuteā line from Jason when Ivyās apologising, and they really played up a visceral discomfort and overwhelm, culminating in Jason pacing up and down beside the bed while Ivy tells him he is āall [she] need[s]ā, and itās at that point that he concedes before focus shifts across to Peter trying to call his mother on the phone.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
Right off the bat, I think weād be remiss not to acknowledge the gender dynamics at play when drawing these parallels, especially when gender as a concept intersects so much with the way sexuality is understood and explored by the characters in both b;apo & Spring Awakening. In particular I want to touch on the fact that - at least to my perception - Jasonās fully realised masculinity functions almost as a barrier to his emotions within the context of the story overall, but also when it comes to the meta context of his decision to have sex with Ivy. Because Jason is presented as this sporty, conventionally hot, outgoing guy who is popular with women, and because he is the one who is delivering most of these innuendos during 'You & I', I think there is a subconscious bias towards seeing him as someone who wouldnāt have sex with anyone he didnāt want to. And while generally a fair assessment, I think this subconscious bias is what leads people to unfairly assign amounts of blame when it comes to an analysis of his and Ivyās relationship. Of course, 'One' and 'I Believe' donāt serve as exactly 1:1 examples even without the gender factors, given the time periods in which both shows were written and set, but I think both explore the idea of a grey area when it comes to sex as the crux of complicated relationships, both shows have running themes of dubious consent and religion, and most obviously both instances result in a pregnancy.Ā
Where it gets interesting to me is where the lines start to blur ā yes, Wendla ālet [Melchior] love [her]ā, and Jason made Ivy āmake [him] promise [ā¦] āI love youāā ā but the contexts of both shows paint Wendla and Jason as confused and uncertain. Both Melchior and Ivy know, or believe they know, within themselves that both parties want to have sex. And while they may be correct on the subconscious level, this belief and expectation that they are holding dismisses the material reality of the situations. Itās not that Wendla wants to have sex with Melchior, itās that she wants to know about sex, wants to understand why she has this physical attraction to him, not necessarily act upon it. Itās not that Jason wants to have sex with Ivy - itās that he wants to want to and doesnāt have the safety to express that in any other way than simply going through with it. Where this is often acknowledged in the Spring Awakening context, I find that analysis of Jason and Ivyās interactions in One donāt dig quite so deep.Ā
Which is not to say that Ivy or Melchior are terrible people - it is more so to say that they are both characters who struggle with appropriately communicating, and understanding other peopleās communications, about sex and sexuality. Where Ivy likens pursuing Jason to āsuch a game of hide-and-seekā, Jason only ever takes their sex as something deep and important. Where Melchior has been āplaying with [Wendla] in [his] fantasiesā, Wendla āonly wanted to be close to himā. Despite Ivy and Melchiorās knowledge on and experience of the subject, it manifests more so an intellectualisation of the act of sex itself, as opposed to a genuine understanding of the ramifications on a personal level - especially for people like Jason and Wendla who donāt have the same experiences or beliefs as they do.
Melchior knows that the way the adults in their lives address sex and sexuality - or donāt address it, as the case may be - isnāt productive, and because of this perceives himself as the ultimate authority on the subject. I think that this belief is what leads to the implicit forcefulness of his interaction with Wendla in the hayloft. He knows whatās happening, and because he is armed with a preconceived idea of what Wendla must be feeling, ādefending [herself], until finally [she] surrender[s] and feel[s] heaven break over [her]ā, he isnāt receptive to her hesitation. Rather, he interprets it as a necessary part of the experience. He knows that Wendla wants it to happen - but he also knows that she doesnāt comprehend that it means sex yet. And because they are both so present in the moment, āhearing [each otherās] heart beatā, Melchior falls back on his belief that the truest understanding of sex and that kind of physical pleasure can only come through lived experience - such as when he all but teaches Moritz about how to masturbate during 'Touch Me'. Even when productions of Spring Awakening do revise the dialogue to include a verbal āyesā from Wendla, the presentation is still that of an assault, intense and hazy hounding and coercion.Ā Ā Ā
Ivy knows why boys are nice to her - āI know them, and what theyāre afterā - and when she stacks this belief up against the fact that Jason is nice to her despite his loyalty to and care for Nadia, it makes sense that she would assume that he wants to have sex with her, it makes sense that she wouldnāt put any thought into the subtleties of Jasonās responses to her or the hesitation in his questions about her āwant[ing him] to kiss [her]ā. Whatās very interesting to look at in regards to Ivy and her character is this dichotomy she has in her head. She knows that ā[...] boys will be boys [...]ā, and on some level has the same expectations for Jason, teasing him about āsee[ing] what [heās] staring atā on her birthday. Even so, she believes that itās different, because she loves him in a way that ā[sheās] never felt [...] beforeā, she has the notion in her head that Jason āwant[s her] just like [she] want[s him]ā, because he kissed her on her birthday when she asked. I would argue that it is because of her conviction in her belief that Jason does want her that she does put such a pressure on him in the moment of 'One' - āIf you like me, kiss me, donāt stopā.Ā
It is also important to acknowledge Ivy as a victim - while no abuse is heavily implied or stated outright in b;apo, there is an understanding that Ivy is a girl who has been sexualised for a long time, and that is of course going to skew her view of and relationship with sex as an activity and the role that she is expected to play within that. I donāt mean to detract from that fact at all by drawing out comparisons to her and Melchior, and acknowledging Jasonās own victim status as it parallels Wendlaās.Ā Ā
There is also something to be said for how both Wendla and Jasonās loss or lack of functional autonomy contributes to their deaths. Both of them are characters burdened by conflicting expectations - Wendla is expected by her mother to still be young and naive, while simultaneously expected to know better, and Jason is expected by his father to ākeep the McConnell flame burningā, an expectation competing with the one held by Peter that he cannot stay closeted forever. However, Wendlaās mothers expectations of her donāt conflict directly with Melchiorās expectations of her in the way that Mr McConnellās conflict with Peterās - in a way, Mrs Bergmannās expectation that Wendla is still young enough to follow blindly what sheās been told is the expectation that leads to the pregnancy in the first place. Melchior is explicitly more knowledgeable about the mechanics of what they are doing in the hayloft, and as such holds a power over Wendla by being able to lean into those expectations that if another person knows more they ought to be listened to. Similarly, it is Ivyās assumption or expectation being that Jason does truly want to have sex with her that snowballs into the conflicts as presented in Promise, and ultimately b;apoās āstory ends in total damageā at least in part as a result of these expectations being enforced.Ā Ā
To summarise, I believe that because Ivy and Melchior are so sure of their own wanting, their ownĀ understanding, and their own emotions, they end up projecting that onto Jason and Wendla respectively, turning them into vessels for sexual gratification and somewhat diminishing their personhood in the moment.Ā
There are of course many other parallels that could be drawn, many other configurations of characters to compare and contrast in regards to b;apo and Spring Awakening, and even on this topic specifically I think there is a lot of room for different takes and interpretations - I simply wanted to throw my hat in the ring, so to speak, when it comes to breaking down and analyzing Jason and Ivyās relationship.
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