i like to imagine how people in the post-material-scarcity future would romanticise the current time period.
having a job gave people a sense of community and purpose lacking in our modern age where nobody is forcing you to get out of bed on threat of starvation. actually the average office worker in the early 21st century was so much wealthier than a UBI-having-modern if you forget to count paying rent and also make some very bad purchasing power conversions. if you look at contemporary records (sitcom where the main characters are only at work when it's plot relevant) it is obvious that employment was never really a major obstacle to having an active social life or pursuing your own passions.
Honestly I have a lot of...concerns about how a post scarcity society would work in relation to the things that I love. But I hope having to give up things like tv and pop culture and toys makes them happier
why would a post-scarcity society have to give up those things? what do you think post-scarcity means?
I mean, cartoons are probably going to end up "reduced" to Glitch Productions type things, like 10 minutes of animation every 6 months. There's just no way to produce 20 minutes of quality animation on a weekly or even a monthly basis in a world where no one has an incentive to work on an idea that isn't theirs.
Why would anyone choose to do inbetweens on someone else's cartoon, when they have no financial or occupational obstacles to just working on their OWN cartoon? Animation takes dozens or hundreds of people to do to current quality and a lot of it is a really shit job to get stuck with.
The same goes for things like toys and collectables. Who is going to CHOOSE to make someone else's dolls all day when anyone with the skill or the talent is 100% fo the kind of person who would just be making their OWN dolls in miniscule batches.
Remove employment from the equation and I just don't see any reason why ANYONE would do large entertainment projects at current scale. And even if they did, most of them would crumble under the fact that the entire workforce can and will just leave at any possible moment, right?
This isn't a dig, or a gotcha, it's just the thought I constantly have when this concept comes up
i think you're imagining 'nobody needs a job to survive' but 'post scarcity' is a stronger postulate than that, and implies something like e.g. if i have an idea for a doll or a tv show it can trivially be mass produced (generally under the assumption that we can automate almost all things that nowadays require human labour)
We're uhh...kind of already starting to try and do that automation step.
and the results are not great.
we've been doing the automation thing for centuries and I would describe the results as nothing short of amazing.
Also why would people not work jobs in a post-scarcity society? Not everyone would, of course - not everyone does today after all. But status & economics wouldn't go away. You would absolutely get teams of artists making animated films that people would pay utility-bucks to see and popular influencers would praise. It would use whatever techniques work to make the most "in vogue" art that people would want to see. Almost certainly sometimes that would be totally human-drawn stuff because that is Cool Now, and other times it would be heavily automated - just like the animated film industry today.
Production efficiency changes, but human nature doesn't - we are going to want the same things we always did. Unless this post-scarcity society is like cyborgs and uploaded minds and wire-heading or whatever; but we all know that isn't what we mean here.
nitpickspot gives it away in the premise of their own post: even if they didn't have to work for food, rent, healthcare, and necessities, they would still want more stuff! the majority of people would! and in order to get that stuff (animated movies, expensive vacations, weird collectable products), then you would presumably get a job or start a buisness in order to have extra income for those luxuries. far from capitalism being the system that the powerful use in order to exploit the masses, it in fact just organically rises from people having wants in a world where resources are finite! turn every person into a self-sufficient plant that photosynthesizes, as long as we want something more than mere survival, we will make markets and jobs in order to get stuff that we want













