Has anyone ever considered that Valentino is clearly very experienced with guns and is great in combat and that that was probably his main resource of survival/payment when he first landed in Hell (aside from maybe also sex work)? Has anyone considered that he’s also hella big and intimidating?
And has anyone realized that all of these are qualities that a certain mafia spider family would very much find useful?
All of you wondering if Angel worked for his family in Hell or not, but I think we should consider that maybe VALENTINO worked for them. And that’s how he met Angel (maybe hunting him down, or because Angel was also working for them).
To me that would explain why Val seems to enjoy humiliating Angel publicly so much. It would be like in the Godfather, where the husband of the daughter of mr Corleone is horrible and cruel to her because he likes the idea of having a member of the most powerful family in New York under his heel.
And wouldn’t that be fitting for Val, who always wants to be the center of attention and hates taking orders (unless it’s kinky) to very much enjoy humiliating the disgraced son of his ex bosses?
anyway this is a genuinely fresh take to me and i’m kind of obsessed with it lol. i am currently imagining a scenario where they start off both peripherally involved in the family but don’t actually get to know each other until later on. also would be very sexy if angel eventually ran away and val ditched immediately after (something he was already planning to do because he truly doesn’t play well with others unless they’re vox and vel…also because i believe in my heart angel’s family is genuinely fucked up on a level to rival val slash the vees so. very possible it would just genuinely be a shitty time for him) and played it off as a like. act of love and care putting himself at risk so they could be together lmfao. i have no trouble believing that he would do that or that angel would wholeheartedly believe it. he’s fun like that
also, no one wants to talk about this because it makes angel look bad (as far as we know he was all in on the mafia thing while he was alive, despite the tensions w his family) but like. “the mafia” is and has always been involved in sex trafficking and prostitution rings lol. it is not at all a stretch that val, someone we are introduced to as a pimp who knows his way around guns, would find employment in those circles!
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Anyone else feel like "Vaggi's first ask to Lucifer was to have him kill Vox" should be more examined by the Fandom?
Cause I so just imagine a fanfic or something of her explaining that and someone jokingly going "Typical EXORCIST move. Kill the unruly sinner" and this just causing Vaggi the BIGGEST crashout.
I know this is a slight tangent but I genuinely feel Vox’s criticisms of Charlie, Lucifer and Vaggi were not merely him giving them shit to paint him as a bully, but were also meant to be seeds for the audience’s genuine reflection on how the non-sinner characters are interacting with the sinners.
Because Vox DID comment on Vaggi, albeit not the Lucifer thing, but when she comes with Charlie to the event, he basically says “Inviting angels to the cookout? Yikes!!!”. Of course, it’s not Vaggi calling on him, but Vox also does say “smite me! That’s all you angels know how to do!” To Lucifer… it’s a thing! Unfortunately, Vox is not the best messenger, but it’s definitely a thing!
When Vaggi comes out as an angel and is debriefing the hotel, the sinners show disdain for both angels as a whole and the way sinners continuously get the stick from all this non-human activity happening above their heads, her and Charlie included.
And I’ve felt this way since season 1 but like… surely we are overdue a discussion about how while Lucifer hid away entirely, Charlie’s internal bias against sinners was so strong that of all the billions of people, she ends gravitating towards the ONE angel in Hell other than her dad 😭. And she doesn’t know about Cannibal Town and is just generally very naive about sinners idk. Like what’s going onnnnn.
Like when Velvette questions the Morningstars thinking sinners need to fundamentally not be themselves and Charlie even flat out saying her dad hates sinners… whew!! As Alastor said “WHO’S JOKING?” We (the characters) neeeeeed to talk about this.
And just tying it back to Vaggi, who is also clearly not that fond of sinners either… Yeah she did say Lucifer should just abuse his angelic power. These three are stewing in privilege and prejudice and we gloss over it. But I feel like with Lilith’s introduction, we could have an opportunity to address it, since she seemed to have some militant ideas about Heaven, and also was not happy with Adam in Eden in the first place. She was always a true rebel and she’s human.
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Unpopular opinion maybe but if I were asked who has less impulse control between Angel and Husk I think the answer would be Husk.
What do you think?
wait this is so funny lol can we put it to a vote
who has worse impulse control no nuance go
angel
husk
Voting ended onJun 2
i can see both…like angel is constantly trying and failing to get clean but husk has been either drunk or hungover for the entirety of his screentime (don’t fight me on this assholes he’s a functional alcoholic. if you ever think he’s sober that’s only because he’s winning at the functional part.) so its hard to judge on the substance abuse front. angel I think has more trouble with his emotional impulses than husk does but that’s mostly because husk is the number one avoidant suppressive freak on the show (oh well maybe #2 iykyk…). so I think when he goes off the deep end he falls harder than angel does every time.
truly I do think you’re onto something though anon. sometimes people have the tendency to portray husk as like. very levelheaded/calm/ cautious and its like bitch you only think that because he’s apathetic and depressed and speaks in the dulcet tones of famous voice actor keith david. get real he probably spent 100% of his time as an overlord banging hot demons losing money at his own casino and temp killing people for being mildly annoying. he’s a lot more like angel than he seems at first glance I think.
I'm taking this way too seriously, so I tried to remember every time Husk did something impulsive and kind of stupid. And it surprised me how much of these situations there is, to be honest, and the ones below are my favorites.
First of all, in s1ep4, Husk was supposed to just follow Angel (a guy he didn't even like) to the bar, where he saw his drink getting spiked, which resulted in my favorite ship I mean, this conversation:
"I was an Overlord once, you know."
Hear me out, I absolutely love this scene. But when I got thinking about it, it's kind of wild to share something like that with someone you barely know. Husk saw Angel's breakdown and suddenly decided that he might as well share one of the greatest mistakes of his existence with someone he doesn't even like that much. And he just went with it.
Or when in s1ep5 Husk went to Alastor to talk about Mimsy? And when Alastor brushed him off (because of course he did) and called him a pet?
You remember what Husk responded with?
"Big talk for someone who's also on the leash."
And look, I'm not saying his anger wasn't justified, because it certainly was, but it's one thing to just insult/complain about Alastor casually (which Husk does, and Alastor usually responds with irony) and it's another thing to say that ONE fun fact about Alastor that could make him go:
Again, Husk's anger was justified, but it's still something to say that one thing that could make Alastor threaten Husk like this. And let's remember that it's our season 1 Husk, someone who generally doesn't care and wants to stay out of trouble.
The real rollercoaster starts in season 2. Particularily s2ep2, which if I remember correctly went like this:
Vox: redeem someone on my watch or I don't believe you
Charlie: ok :D Angel, you're getting redeemed :DD
Vaggi: how???
Angel: that's a bad idea.
Every sane person in the audience: that's a very, very bad idea.
Husk, our "cool-headed wise bartender", for some fucking reason:
"She's got a point there, Legs."
WHAT POINT EXACTLY, HUSK?
Husk is not as naive as Charlie, and he knows Angel close, he knows what's going on on a daily basis in the Vee Tower. And he advices Angel to partake in this idea, anyway. Because he believes that Angel can be redeemed, and that's all he things about before he goes up to Angel.
Not exactly smart, Husk.
And it doesn't even end there.
Husk. Husk what the fuck.
If I wrote a fanfiction a year ago with the exact same plot as this episode, I would definitely choose Husk to be the one deciding that, you know, tying someone to the tracks with Vox and Velvette as an audience mightttt be a little bad idea. I wouldn't expect Charlie to think about it (because, let's be real, it's Charlie we're talking about), certainly not Niffty, probably not Angel who's living his best life being in danger all the time anyway, not Vaggi because Charlie is still her girlfriend, but Husk? Husk should be the wise old bartender, right?
Nope. No, Husk just puts on a dress. Okay, then ._.
Alsooooooooo
"I'll fucking spank you!"
I know I'm being a bitch, I know this line was added by Keith David (but it's still canon!), I know I'm ruining the fun here, I KNOW, but Husk, why? This is, well. Not a very good thing to say during an argument. Even if (going with my favorite interpretation) he wanted to humour Angel, give Angel a chance to make a stupid comment about it and for the conversation to become less tense, it's STILL not a great thing to say. Don't do this, Husk. And not with Angel of all people, for fuck's sake.
Of course, I'm ignoring the fact that Husk is the guy who lost his soul in poker. I know gambling is addicting, and I don't know nearly enough about addiction to say my thoughts on Husk's impulse control surrounding it, but losing your soul in a card game is still pretty wild. And to the famous Radio Demon who is known for tearing souls apart.
I think fandom generally describes Angel as the more impulsive one, beecause 1) Husk was a very quiet and generally calm (and probably drunk most of the time) for the most of season 1, and 2) one of the first serious interactions we saw between Husk and Angel was:
Because here, compared to Angel? Husk is the most calm guy you know.
The thing is, Husk didn't care about Angel back then.
Imo, Husk was way, wayyyyyy more reckless as an Overlord than he is now. When he lost his soul, he tried to cut it out a little, and it worked - for a bit. Because when there comes to something important to him (Hazbin Hotel, something he considers good and should be done, Angel), it all goes out of the window. Husk will do whatever comes to his mind first because it's important, and he won't think about the consequences whatsoever.
I think the HuskerDust fandom in general wants Husk to be calm, collected, sweet, soft and kind, first of all - to match spontaneous Angel, but secondly, to be different from Valentino. I feel like people sometimes forget that Husk's got flaws, too. (Especially in the Overlord Husk AUs, because. Guys. GUYS.) (I'm including myself in that statement, by the way, sometimes you just want Angel and Husk to be together, happy and peaceful.)
I'd still pick Angel as the one with less impulse control, though. I think in Husk's case it's more of he's-impulsive-when-it's-important thing, while Angel seems like someone who acts/talks before he thinks a lot of the time. But maybe it's just fandom vision rubbing off on me lmao
Possibly hot take and 100% RadioVees agenda-posting:
I don’t think Alastor would care about the Vees’, specifically Valentino and Velvette’s, unethical attitudes toward consent, nor their monetisation of it.
(I’m basically just gonna be rambling about Alastor not giving a fuck so if this is a dead take, have this WIP that it inspired as penance lol)
Alastor is someone who was embroiled in nightlife, hush-hush business (his hidden identity and dealings with the producers), and was a serial killer cannibal, who embraced that he was an immoral person and specifically summoned a demon so that he could keep THAT party going. In HELL.
Besides the HC/fanon that Valentino is a serial rapist (irl he definitely would be, but in the show, he – so far – has not actually shown to roll this way, and ngl I don't at all see the show actually see the show daring to characterise such a darling character in a popular ship that way), Valentino is a classically abusive pimp, and Velvette is a dealer of morally dubious drugs (it’s a matter of philosophical debate if u step outside the visceral ick) that are easily and often used to roofie people. [Elaboration on the philosophical debate and the depiction of Valentino's abuse in my analysis of him and Lucifer as foils]
What we know for certain is they do awful shit for money. They’re morally bankrupt hustlers that will cross any line for a check.
...Maaaaaan, what the fuck does Alastor care?
He’s not some champion of an honest hard day’s work. He goes gambling for souls, he eats like a vampire, and he always finds someone to shack up with. He only really needs money for cigarettes, whiskey and the tailor. It could never be an honest ‘living’, and his life is not honest in general.
While he may not care for just how large the Vees live due to the clinical corporate aspect (he loves fun!), I just can’t see Alastor turning his nose up at taking whatever shortcuts as means to an end. He is the KING of shortcuts as per his overlord origins.
And this is the self-indulgent lowkey crack part but, imo, Alastor is borderline hobosexual HAHAHA; I feel like he only isn’t because he’s ace.
When you deep it, he gets all dressed up and brings a bouquet of roses, all romantic-like, to pop up on Rosie when he quits and needs new digs; he reverse psychologies Vox into letting him live at V Tower when Rosie refuses to help him and the Hotel's off; and Alastor's the one to comment on the Hotel being shitty and free in ‘Hazbin Guarantee’ knowing DAMNNNN WELL his ass lives there, rent-free, when he could just clock out and fuck off at the end of the day.
Alastor’s relationship with money, as we've been shown, is just… Like, come on, this is notttt a man who gives a shit about getting it how you live by whatever means. I cannot see him blinking at Valentino and Velvette's business ventures at all. It's absolutely a "c'est la vie" vibe.
(I am definitely probably using 'C'est La Vee' as a name for something RadioVees one day, probably Valastor... #cringebutfree 🌽 !!!)
If we're saying he's super squeamish and uninitiated about sex, and that's why his moral compass would kick in here…
It’s one thing to personally not participate in something yourself, but I think he’s been shown to acknowledge all manner of degeneracy and enjoy the atmosphere, even if not every act is for him.
“Hello there, wayward sinner, do you like blood, violence and depravity of a sexual nature? Of course, you do! That’s why you’re in Hell!” – that's literally bro’s FIRST line, and it’s him saying his perspective on fellow sinners plainly to mock the naivety of Charlie’s mission. He drew his own blood and made a Pentagram of it because he was so embracing of the fact he was headed here.
THIS is right where Alastor wanted to be, sexual creepers included. He knewwww where he was going, and he knows damn well where he is. HE DON’T WANNA BE SAVED, DON’T SAVE HIM!!!!
He was a party boy, a "city" boy back in ye olde days when they truly got wild, and he was a fucking adult, let’s be so fr. He’s not scared of a little fuck-tivity. And we saw that was the case with how he didn’t react to StaticMoth’s bedroom antics. He literally does not give a fuck (heh... literally).
I’m sure Alastor thinks what Valentino and Velvette do is wrong, but he also always thought what HE does is wrong too. Before he even died, he thought he was SO wrong that he was 101% sure he would go to hell… and he enjoyed being wrong SO much that he wasn’t willing to stop.
Alastor wasn’t willing to let fucking DEATH stop him from sinning. He could not live another day with the thought that his sin would be limited by his mortal vessel; he just HAD to dial up the other side and get his shortcut to the top. This mf hustled HELL, all because he wanted to keep murdering people, dancing and backing whiskey until the end of time. Do you know how diabolical it is to reject death being your time because you want to keep sinning in peace hahahaha.
And I say that because did you see how he was living at the end? In that DISGUSTING shack. Alastor was by himself in the woods, nothing but corpses, no more fucking friends, no more fucking parties... just horrors and gore. And my god, what did he call it? What did he describe his antics as to Rosie? Reparations? Retribution? Revenge?
FUN. All that shit was FUN. He’s in hell for FUN, he says.
I know we love them, but the thing about villains is that they acc do know exactly what they and the people they support are doing. They know it’s immoral, and they simply do notttt care. They’re selfish and hypocritical and only pipe up when it’s something that impacts them directly. Because they have moral codes, they have beliefs and philosophies, but those few moments where they follow them are few and far between.
Vox accuses Alastor of cheating, and he goes, “Baby, I’m a demon in Hell!”; Alastor accuses Vox of manipulation and lies, and he goes, “I try!”; Valentino is winding up to bust Vox’s face over micro-aggressions and is the same guy whining about “diversityyyyy”; Velvette poses naked to promote her product and goes around shit-talking people for getting pimped out by HER besties.
And they all love to have a big ‘ole evil laugh about this.
They know it’s wrong, and they still get satisfaction out of abusing their powers. That's why they're overlords and people with complexes about being decent are not, because people who genuinely care about being good are not cut out for actively running and purposefully CREATING the systems to exploit people. These villains have their own moral compasses, and they simply do not follow them if it's not to their benefit. They are predators, they oppressors, they are literally called demon OVERLORDS.
So while I think Alastor would find the seedy, sexually exploitive arms of VoxTek disgusting, I just think he’s a lot more down with disgusting than people give him credit for.
If he truly felt some emotional benefit or pragmatic alliance with the Vees, I don’t think anything could stop him. He already proved that by offering himself up to them on a platter, and having basically no complaints about his time, even seeming to warm up to Velvette and Val by ‘Scream Rain’.
Alastor's biggest gripes seemed to be getting dragged around on silly side-quests and Vox touching people's shoulders ffs 💀. No mention of the damn sexual assault of forcing Al to watch StaticMoth devil's tango. No reaction to the racism. No reaction to the brainwashing Angel Dust either. For Alastor, that's all some c'est la vie shit! Boredom and overfamiliarity with personal space (not the purposeful violation – the overfamiliarity) are the things that personally affected him, so that's all he gives a shit about.
They may be rivals now, but he and Vox were literally serial killer besties once upon a time. That's his long-lost brother, man. If he thought Vox was too immoral to stick around with, why would Alastor still have him as his emergency phone a friend when Rosie falls through hahahaha.
And Alastor’s content to associate with/rep Rosie and her cannibal society, even though he has his very deep criticisms of Rosie herself when it comes down to it. Mind you, whatever gripes he has with her for her 'wrongdoings' against him, he's veryyyy happy to do unto Husk, using her words bar for bar on him.
He does NOT care until he does. And even people like Mimzy and Niffty... he thinks these girls are batshit, unreasonable, and he thinks Mimzy is a leech. But them, Rosie, the Vees... this is Alastor's roll squad, people! He actively chooses them!
Remember RadioDust? HE DOESN'T!
When Alastor dips from the hotel, though he allegedly likes him, he does not give a rat's assss what Husk is up to; if his buddy, ‘HUSKER', wants to spiral out in his addiction, Alastor says, c'est la vie.
Vaggi, Charlie... when they need help that’s no fun for him, Alastor says double it and give it to the next person. Husk even called him out on it in S2E1, and Alastor literally SAID he should help, but he won't, and HE'S PROUD. He ENJOYS bystanding. He said that from the start but like, it’s not just edge-lordism, he genuinely doesn’t give a fuck hahahhaha.
Cherri got replaced by Emily with SPEED in the finale when he's telling Rosie he'll let his pals die. RadioJoy didn't even exchange a word; meanwhile, Cherri's been at the hotel since season 1. But Emily saved his hind, and that's that: Cherri's chopped liver.
Alastor's concern is NUMBER ONE: HIM. And after that, his favourite people are mainly people he thinks are TERRIBLE.
I fear he loves baddies. If it's meant to be, a lil Love Potion and pimping ain’t gonna stop him!!
He even threw together a pretty good camcorder commercial for shits and gigs, and was talking about some “that’s the tea” in the first two episodes. What happened to being stubbornly old-fashioned, anti-modernity, anti-tech? This bitch is over here trying to be a 2016 vlogger!!!!!
And not to mention his clean ass movie set??? Talk about reheating Val's nachos.
If not for their RadioStatic history, I think Alastor and the Vees would get on like a damn house on fire. I’m very biased in that, but I truly feel his ego about the Vox thing is the main hurdle here.
Also, his voiced issue with TV isn't just a personal petty thing. See what happened every time Charlie tried to promote the hotel on “picturebox technology”? Yeah. YEAH. Vox was NEVER gonna let that happen. And Alastor knows that, but he doesn't give a shit enough to give them a heads up. He'd rather dick around and waste their time because it's fun for him. It's not right, he hatessss it when the shoe is on the other foot, and he still does. Not. CAREEE. He doesn't even believe in the "enemy of my enemy" for fuck's sake. Alastor is about ALASTOR.
And apparently, he’s gonna get worse over the series, so… maybe this is unpopular now, but one day... I put my coins on his villainous apathy becoming very undeniable!!!
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the best fanfiction you've ever read was written by a woman in her 40s before she made dinner for her kids. it was written by a teenager after school when they should've been studying for a history test. and a barista came up with the idea while they cleaned the espresso machine and busser fact-checked it on their break and the post-doc edited between writing grant proposals and the nurse apologized for typos in the notes after a long shift and behind every drabble and one-shot and multi-chapter fic there is a person with a wonderful and interesting and chaotic life and it is such a privilege that we get to be a part of it because they decided to do this thing we all share, for fun.
i rag on alastor a lot on here bc he deserves it but if i sold my soul for power before i even got to hell, was shot in the head less than a day later, and woke up in the pit as a prey animal i too would start biting. well he was already biting by that point. but you get what i mean
How do you think sinners respawn? Like something in them change or they go through unimaginable pain (both psychological, emotional and physical) to respawn again??
Ok here's my personal headcanons of how non-angelic-steel-induced death works in Hell
cw mild gore
Addendum: Aside from danger of being taken advantage of and pain, why would a sinner fear death? The answer is that it's a matter of dignity. And for Overlords who have plenty of power and can recover quickly, life and death are only matters of social currency.
For sinners and Overlords, going missing is scarier than dying.
Regenerating and respawning are unpleasant processes. The dimension knits your form back together and leaves you with the memory of the sensation. It's also like waking up from a shitty nap that wasn't restful at all
↑↑ All of the above is talking about death without the involvement of angelic weaponry, by the way
Imagine being a detective or forensic scientist in Hell, wow
There are so many questions I have about regeneration and temp "death" in Hell. There's also Vox and Val's damaged antenna; did that have to happen with angelic power for them not to heal? Val and Angel each have a gold tooth, how are they missing teeth? Niffty stabbed Val through his chest and he didn't seem all that affected. Velv and Vox both survived decapitation, I assume just due to their forms, so is that just a natural advantage they have?
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