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especially when they are fat. especially when they are Black or Native or Asian or any racial/ethnic group that isn't white. especially when they are tall and broad and have a deep voice and a beard, and especially when they like themselves that way and still are hurt by misgendering. especially when they have gone on E and T blockers and have gotten facial feminization and vaginoplasty and have DD tits and like themselves that way and still are hurt by misgendering (even when people think they should be grateful for it, even when it feels like the better of two evils). especially when they transition in ways people see as "only halfway" and dress androgynous and use contradictory labels and call themselves femboys in the same breathe they do tgirls and they like themselves clockable as fuck and still are hurt by transphobia and exorsexism.

I talked about how conservative authoritarians define "pedophilia" as "youth autonomy," but even among less overtly authoritarian communities, the spectre of The Pedophile is, at best, a distraction from the reality of CSA.

"Pedophiles" are a distinct, discrete type of person. They're Not Like Us, but also, they Could Be Anywhere. They're hiding in plain sight among us, lurking and sabotaging. Anyone could secretly one of them. They're queer, they're Jewish, they're vaguely foreign. They conspire. They're a cabal. They have secret signals. They're rich and powerful and secretly control governments, but they're also poor and dirty and hide in alleyways. They're sexually deviant. They're everywhere and nowhere, and you should constantly be on guard against anyone who might be one.

Child sexual abuse, on the other hand, is abuse. It's an action, not a type of person. Anyone can commit it, because it's an abuse of power, and all adults and many other children have power over all children. Any adult has the ability to sexually abuse a child, because every adult has the ability to wield power over any child. Child sexual abuse is part of the continuum of child abuse, which in turn is part of the continuum of abuse, which can be committed by anyone who has the power to commit it.

The Epstein clients are the most prosaic phenomenon in the world. Rich, powerful people trafficked powerless people to force the powerless people to serve them. Rich, powerful people got away with breaking laws. Rich, powerful people uses people as objects -- in this case, as sex objects, but by the same structural mechanisms by which they use people to clean their houses, pick their crops, and assemble widgets in their factories.

You're the one projecting that us being trans means we're not real men, rather than just different men with different needs and experiences under patriarchy. YOU are the one who is insecure about being different from cis men, to the point where you can't even engage with theory that takes these things into account with any kind of curiosity or intellectual honesty.

We need protection because we are transgender. In what world did I imply that trans men do not also experience oppression? Did you even read my post? Your denial of your behavior proves exactly what I was talking about to begin with: you are behaving like a man. You are throwing women under the bus for talking about their oppression at the hands of men by stating “😟! We’re oppressed on the axis of being men!”

Wanna know where I came to this conclusion? It’s pretty simple: Men like Clavicular spend their whole lives feeling inferior to other men so they spend the rest of their lives bending over backwards to try to aspire to the ever-changing standards of masculinity. “Mogging” isn’t just some silly joke about dunking on someone, it is a serious dick measuring competition to these people. They are trying to make other men feel inferior to them because they spent their whole life feeling inferior themselves. They talk about how their life is hard and how the standards they have to hold themselves to are difficult and self-destructive, and they place the blame on women. They belittle, degrade, and undermine women’s attempts to talk about the ways in which these things are a direct result of patriarchal society, they center the conversation around them instead of listening to women. Having shame around your transgender status is a breeding ground for men who feel as though they are inferior to cis men and even other transgender men. Ultimately, you feel “mogged” by other men and are taking it out on your own community.

I am saying that you are speaking on transandrophobia theory from an incomplete set of information. It's clear that you are not correctly defining it, nor are you correctly applying intersectionality in this argument.

Let me ask you this: what exactly makes trans men transgender, if not that we identify as men? How do you think that differs, systemically, from being a cis man? The baseline idea of intersectionality is that people's relationships to patriarchy are not the sum of their parts (Black+woman or trans+man) but an complex web of experiences that cannot be divorced from one another (Black woman or trans man, a whole thing unto itself).

Binary trans men are oppressed for being men because were they not men, they would not be transgender. Obviously the conversation becomes more complicated when taking nonbinary experiences into account, but that's the pillar we're working from when we talk about the oppression of trans men. However, transandropbobia does not describe the systemic oppression of trans men.

Transandrophobia describes hostility that trans men are subjected to that stems from understandable hatred of cis men. "We are the dog you hit instead of your boss", was an apt way I saw it described. It is not defined as systemic, it is not described as a form of oppression in its own right, even.

Acting like this is completely baseless is genuine denial of the reality of the world around you. Your refusal to engage with this component of transandrophobia theory and your insistence that we are implying that trans men are not real men is the reason I call you insecure, not just to say "no u".

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You're the one projecting that us being trans means we're not real men, rather than just different men with different needs and experiences under patriarchy. YOU are the one who is insecure about being different from cis men, to the point where you can't even engage with theory that takes these things into account with any kind of curiosity or intellectual honesty.