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full climate doomerism but i expect that richer states will start geoengineering more recklessly when heatwaves get more difficult to bear. you've seen cloud seeding operations careen between ineffective and dangerous, i expect earnest attempts to recreate the plot of snowpiercer soon. there's already an israeli startup lobbying the us govt and getting good press to disrupt conventions around solar reflection materials research. lets disrupt sensitive global weather patterns like monsoons to cool the planet <3
I think I know what I like from a text (literary pleasures, if you will) but if you were to articulate this for yourself, what would it be?
so well, there are multiple levels to this for me, not all of them immediately conscious to me! some of these layers are also only available to me in retrospect - and by retrospect, i mean, sometimes it takes years, if not decades, to figure out why i spent an entire season reading just x fic, or why a specific novel hit really hard at a specific moment of my life, but a later revisit felt flat and empty. i don't think that i'm particularly unique in these reading experiences fwiw! its fairly common to see posts on here abt like, how revisiting something that was formative can sometimes be a disappointing experience and well, i think part of it is the growing up part of it, but also some of it is just that whatever generated a specific deep-seated pleasure managed to resolve itself and now that heightened emotional state is no longer accessible.
but okay anyway to be more specific, for me at any rate there are like approximately three layers to textual pleasure for fic especially. these layers operate at a mix of conscious, subconscious and completely unconscious - and it is not always that i am completely aware of what the specific pleasure being experienced is. they are, roughly: craft/technicality/language, encountering (or examining) ideas/concepts, intertextual relationships, novelty, catharsis/emotional stimulation, fantasy & the erotic.
illustrating this w a reading of @balrogballs The Admiral's Folly, which he very kindly agreed to in order to make this a lot less abstract. its a fic that i've done a lot of thinking abt, it has a lot of layers of textual pleasures to it ranging from the technical to the highly personal & idiosyncratic and you can theoretically read it canon blind (tho i think the beauty of this one is that reading it in context of the canon also enriches both the canon and fic in other ways.) please be warned it goes into discussions of religious homophobia and also a frank discussion of my own Issues In Life, so pls disengage if you don't want to read all of that
craft/technical/language textual pleasures - this to me is the sheer pleasure you get from encountering a passage that is just beautifully put together, so much so that you feel that you're watching a virtuosic performance crescendoing to its grand triumph. but its also about like, the broader cleverness of form and structure and style the author is working with, which may not always be immediately available to the eye - and which are sometimes that much pleasurable for not being easily accessible, sort of like completing a puzzle to access the prize. in this particular fic, one of the things that gives me great pleasure is the disjuncture between the narration in finnu's voice, which recalls to me the wry restraint of older english novels, juxtaposed against the dialogue which has the cadence/rhythm of malayalam translated into english - which Z has also very specifically talked abt as a very specific regional dialect of malayalam. its a very sort of cerebral but also playful joy in seeing how someone deliberately wields language to create the character's field of view for us. plus there are a lot of really beautiful passages/sentences. take this perfect little sentence: When it came to public punishment, perpendicularity was the point. elegantly, pithily constructed and both beautiful to hear and say. there is something very pleasurable in prose that has been refined to its sharpest point.
encountering ideas/concepts - i don't even think this has to be new ideas to oneself necessarily, but even just a rearrangement of thinking, or a joining of dots that hadn't been joined before. in this particular fic there are so many ideas/thoughts: of the forms of abuse that take the form of instilling perpetual shame in a child, of the way this form of turning a child into the sin-eater of the family is replicated at the state level in the way in which india turns its muslim citizens into sin-eaters for the state. again, another very cerebral pleasure that feels more like a puzzle slotting into place: its a very conscious and aware pleasure.
intertextual relationships - this to me is one of the key cerebral pleasures of fanfiction that original fiction can't always deliver on i.e. the transformations of meaning that takes place in having a work of fiction interact both with a source text and possibly even with other texts. there is a pleasure in this fic in tracing the ways in which fingon's rescue of maedhros is repeated (fingon gets maedhros out of prison) and then also subverted (maedhros rescues fingon from his family) and the sort of ways in which politics and romantic sentiment sort of shift around bc of the repetition and subversion (fingon saves maedhros and saves a protector; is this an act of selfless romanticism or selfish love? what is the difference?); or in the ways in which feanor and nerdanel "make" their children, and feanor especially molds them to a self-destructive political cause etc. but!!! Z has also talked abt the influence of the saki story Sredni Vashtar on the story and that also makes a difference to how i read the fic and also sredni vashtar when i revisit it - the fic generates new meaning both for the silmarillion and this other story, which is i think one of the very unique cerebral pleasures fic can do that published works can't.
novelty - ok so the funny thing abt this one is that i don't think fic has to deliver on this textual pleasure and fic is effective precisely bc of the act of repetition it delivers... but there ARE pleasures in reading a new version, a new take on a story: in this case a new take and exploration of religious christian homophobia, one which focuses less on the standard... let's call it the boy interrupted form of homophobia, and more on the form of homophobia that presents itself as a gentle love that simply wants their child to have a happy life, free of suffering - while being the primary agent of that suffering.
which brings me to the less cerebral pleasures of reading i.e. everything going on in the id -
emotional catharsis/stimulation - one of the great powers of fic more so than published works is that fic is almost exclusively oriented around strongly emotion-driven narratives & journeys (which is what people mean, i think, when they say they love character-driven narratives, but are uninterested in litfic which is very character-driven). sometimes this is through the language deployed, which is highly emotive, or constructed to arouse strong emotions in us. but its also a more structura thing. the big fic genres and tropes are in some ways charting emotional journeys for us - some kind of internal or external emotional confrontation, forced on the character through a confluence of structural circumstances, followed by resolution of some sort. this particular fic does not hew to standard fic tropes, but it delivers a very classic form of triumphant emotional catharsis when maedhros shows up on his motorbike to rescue fingon from the public humiliation ritual being inflicted on fingon. the reader is pulled into the vortext of fingon's emotions first, both his deep sense of shame about himself, but also his deep and giddy love for maedhros culminating in a very deeply romantic encounter in the eponymous folly, before hurtling towards the disaster. we experience fingon's devastation along with him, but also the moment of liberation and elation - and that movement in emotion does deliver a very specific charged pleasure! i always feel like john bender punching the air at the end of the breakfast club when i reach that particular scene y'know?
which brings me to the really personal stuff -
fantasy - fic particularly is good at i think a process that some forms of therapy are really good at (e.g. narrative therapy), which is allowing you to experience the same sequence of emotions over and over again in a safe and controlled way, because the outcome is predictable - the fake dating ends in real dating, the enemies become lovers etc - and so it is safe. bc of the often highly structured form of fic, it allows you to engage with these complex and difficult to articulate fantasies of intimacy, being loved and cared for, of escaping shame, of healing, of confrontation, of self-destruction and to do it safely bc of the predictability - and to do so without having to speak these thoughts out loud to a therapist, where you might have to encounter both your own shame and their complex emotions. of course this is not always a safe process - and this is where the paranoia about experiencing the "wrong" pleasure is most visible. e.g. are you experiencing this incest fic in the right way? are you experiencing this noncon fic in the right way? what is the pleasure you are finding? how dare you?
in this particular fic, well to put it very baldly: this is as close to a pure id fantasy for me because i was that child in the parental torment nexus. in many ways i am still that child. so when i read finnu here, i read my own thoughts, my own anxieties and fears mirrored at me. and then i achieve some kind of fantastical catharsis: maedhros rescues finnu and i experience the fantastic pleasure of having been rescued by someone who cared enough to look beyond the overt "kindness" of my parents, to what actually was being done - who cared enough to "see" me, but also to act and rescue me, so that the child could still continue circling around the difficulty of parental love producing parental cruelty and still survive. this is not a pleasure that could have been produced by any other kind of sequence of the telling. of course i read garrard conley's boy interrupted and while there was some level of catharsis there, there was no real room for that kind of intrusion of the fantasy child self because it was an experience so different and yet also so tangibly "realer" than my own bc it lacked that plausible deniability. this fic touches on exactly that plausible deniability and how the plausible deniability is part of the cruelty of it all through its association with love and the process by which shame is placed as a burden on a child. and part of the pleasure is being able to stick a middle finger up and walk away from that mess and to be liberated and loved in equal measure - rather than the hard reality of having to walk away to possibly precarity and loneliness.
and like, there are other ways this pleasure plays out right? my fic also holds these fantasies in one way or the other, narrated and structured through various different means. but the specific pleasure of fandom is that against all the odds you might find a work that runs around that specific fantasy and delivers something that you weren't able to articulate for yourself otherwise. but it also means that any disjuncture in expectation can be felt and experienced as life-threatening - which is exactly the point at which many of these moral crusades begin and also where many of their hypocrisies lie.
erotic - it feels really funny to come to this after those very intense sections, but like, this is also something fic is really good at bc ao3 anglophone fic especially is so centred on the erotic. sometimes this is a little and specific detail: "I was almost afraid of the hollow ache between my hips, a spiritual womb, feeling as though I might die if I did not cleave or was not cloven unto." and sometimes it is specifically the point at which erotic pleasure and fantasy pleasure intersect and become one:
“Unburnt,” he said softly, his hand running up my thigh. “The folly is unburnt, Finnu. The mark of the love between the Zamindar and the Marakkar, to this day stands unburnt.”
Unburnt, yes. And I loved it, and I loved him. I loved him so much I could have wept, but I laughed, shameless, uncaring as to the fact that we were, technically, out in public. ...
“Unburnt,” Russo reminded me again, quietly, kissing the nape of my neck as he draped himself over me. “It remains unburnt.”
“Because they were the very best of friends?” I asked again, twisting the question so I could hear the answer anew. I had let him in, and he was holding so perfectly still, so the moment would last. His deepest breaths were mine. “Is that why, Russo?”
“Because they loved each other,” he corrected me as he started to move behind me. He was everywhere at once, his teeth grazing just under my ear as he took me in hand. “Because they loved each other like this. Like us, Finnu. Like—oh, just like us, Finnu.”
in this case the specific erotic fantasy pleasure of: shame does not need to exist and there is a person like me who is genuinely loved and genuinely desired and cared for, who can be fucked and not be destroyed or damned; a child who can be seen and held and who can still be considered perfect, rather than ruined and destroyed and despicable, bound for hell.
(see also: the erotic fantasy pleasure of the rape fantasy as means of achieving agency over rape or the anxieties around it; or the erotic fantasy pleasure of enemies to lovers as the specific libidinal catharsis of trying to piece together what to do with the person or thing that keeps hurting you. frankly, maybe all of this is the substance of all the darkfic fantasies that so upset people for doing "reading" the wrong way: experiencing a pleasure and fantasy that is not morally condemnatory alone, but in the process unsettling society because it reveals the failures of social structures in themselves...)
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anyway, reading this fic aside, i do think a lot of anxieties in fandom about "pleasure" in reading are really about what people are enjoying: are they enjoying this work in the right way, as an edifying and moral piece of literature? or are they experiencing libidinal fantasies, erotics or even worse erotic fantasies through it? if they are experiencing these pleasures, does that render the text rotten? if they are experiencing these libidinal pleasures while reading an ai generated fic, does that mean these libidinal pleasures are rendered even more childish, immature and bad? and like. i cannot stress enough. these are 18th century anxieties. we have been having these same anxieties since the advent of the novel, especially abt experiencing its joys in the wrong ways and taking away the wrong, corrupting, libidinal pleasures rather than the right edifying pleasures. and in fic fandom we try to launder these libidinal pleasures thru the cerebral ones, but like, the power of fic is precisely its power to dig deeply into these libidinal pleasures.
and like, the libidinal pleasures are not divorced from the intellectual/cerebral ones, which is i think what also generates a lot of anxiety. that all that beauty, intertextual pleasure and deep thinking could be harnessed towards these fantasies of the id and the erotic and produce something that is meaningful on that level and not just on an assumed sterile literary plane...
but of course, that is the pleasure of the novel and how we've been enjoying novels for centuries and exactly what ye old 18th century moralists were morbidly terrified about. so you know. plus ca change and all that.
that said, that's what i mean by saying i'm not sure people know what they're talking abt the pleasure of a text, bc there is a vast gap between what people say and what they observably do/enjoy. that gap interests me and i think a lot of interesting things are going on at the subconscious/id level in that gap y'know?
im reading war of the jewels. it says the grey annals explicitly are taken from ‘annals that were made in doriath’ (which is already ??? because a few pages later it says the sindar didn’t really write things down… oral history ig.) and sure bits of it were edited/compiled later in sirion but i am sooo curious about the pre-sun TIMEKEEPING because it is formally annalistic but like. what are they basing the length of a ‘year’ on if they don’t have magic trees/The Sun yet??? ig the boring option is ‘melian knows how long a valian year is’ but there is still the issue of how to reckon that. also its boring and i am a fan of problems caused by ainur time blindness. animals have seasonal behaviours like hibernation but would those be happening without seasons??? arbitrary water clock shenanigans? they’re building the clock of the long now in menegroth. can you measure time based on the growth of lichen or something??? variable novae??? once the sun existed did they recalculate/retcon time??? thingol so into the language ban that he didn’t bother with stopping the noldorin calendar from becoming dominant? and even there: did the hosts of feanor and fingolfin end up on different calendar systems while separated from one another? ‘ohhh who is going to be the high king’ WHO CARES. which CALENDAR are you using??? or on a smaller scale: how long was a day in doriath reckoning, pre-sun? when the sun arrived did they all get mega jetlagged because their circadian rhythms were doing something completely different. they’re using tree rings. they’re using cicada periodical cycles. i have no fucking clue
in the angband calendar a year is however long it takes a cubic melkre (melkor metre) of lava to cool. this is dependent on the composition/viscosity/temperature of the lava etc. so the angband calendar distinguishes different categories of year-length-as-determined-by-lava-type. e.g. a few rhyolitic years followed by a basaltic one. this is incomprehensible to most and helps nobody.
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things that would exist if intellectual property wasn't a thing
so much cheap generic medication. reverse engineering compounds would be even more financially profitable.
fewer people dead of vaccine preventable illnesses in the global south bc the greatest barrier to distributing some vaccines like hpv is their ip
plant seeds and grafts that come from the plants instead of licensing them. don't invest so much in preventing cross contamination. more localised experimental breeding.
library of the world: every book and journal article in the world could be digitised and be searchable for every person in the world to read regardless of where they live. cheap reprint runs and local translations everywhere.
an online interface where every citation could actually lead to the text in question
freedom from the hell that is DRM software
everytime someone reverse engineered your shitty proprietary software we would all be freed from it instead of them getting DMCA'd
so much hardware would be opened up & therefore made so much cooler.
so many more songs that riff off and sample and interpolate shit from this decade instead of like 70 years ago and more analysis of music that didn't keep getting nuked off the internet
preserving movies and tv shows and games as long as someone, somewhere has the desire to host them
just go publish your fanfic/art/vid as is instead of all us pretending it isn't fanwork or begging the corporation for mercy / licensing
a world without ip lawyers. im getting chills just imagining it.
The other thing I have learned in the last few days witnessing fannish discourses is that very few people are able to actually articulate what precise pleasures a text is generating for them (what do you mean you need endless literary metaphors? what do you mean you enjoy imperfections? most people enjoy a set of imperfections within a very specific band of "imperfection" - why attach humanness to the level of imperfection allowed or not?) and tbh that explains the heightened paranoia everyone has about experiencing pleasure "the wrong way" in relation to fics versus the published text. In many ways we are all still living in the long long eighteenth century...........
unhappy side effect of "morally ambiguous" being treated as the pinnacle of writing is that you will often be made to experience what a not so talented writer with big aspirations thinks is morally ambiguous
One thing that seems to trip people up on this here website when it comes to discussions of bigoted representation is like. How do I put this. Bigots don’t particularly care if their bigotry ensnares more than one group???
Like the example that brings this to mind is people saying “I didnt know Dracula was Jewish coded, I thought he was coded as [insert other group here]”
And the thing is I don’t think Bram Stoker was particularly invested in seeing those as different types of person! As far as the text of Dracula is concerned Jews ARE evil aristocrats ARE undifferentiated, Orientalized inhabitants of the Ottoman borderlands ARE vampires. This is one of the many reasons I think it’s silly to try and “claim” some kind of unique relationship to this kind of scattershot oppressive coding. A man can be racist against
Are vampires always antisemitic = no there's a bunch of other stuff going on
Is Dracula antisemitic = yeah
Is Dracula also depicted as a boyar, a class to which Jews have never belonged = yeah
Does Dracula also come across as racist toward Romanies and The Ottoman Empire Generally = yeah
Did Stoker choose to metaphorically depict English landlords in Ireland as Ottoman Jewish Boyars to make them look more Evil = Probably yeah
Does this mean Bram Stoker didn't intend for it to be antisemitic = no but also I don't care that much about what he intended because people get so hung up on that and end up talking in circles
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fascinating how the silm implies ulmo's gender is Ocean
(p. 32 Silm) - fanar are formed in accordance to "temper" (gender expression)
(p. 37 Silm) - Ulmo's preferred form is the ocean/a giant wave
And the wave came towards him, and upon it lay a mist of shadow. Then suddenly as it drew near it curled, and broke, and rushed forward in long arms of foam; but where it had broken there stood dark against the rising storm a living shape of great height and majesty.
Then Tuor bowed in reverence, for it seemed to him that he beheld a mighty king. A tall crown he wore like silver, from which his long hair fell down as foam glimmering in the dusk; and as he cast back the grey mantle that hung about him like a mist, behold! he was clad in a gleaming coat, close-fitted as the mail of a mighty fish, and in a kirtle of deep green that flashed and flickered with sea-fire as he strode slowly towards the land.
(p. 164 TFoG) - description of Ulmo's elusive humanoid fana, as well as his approaching wave form
like it's tricky because there are a lot of cases where forming your politics as a post-hoc justification for your kneejerk reaction will have you saying reactionary things (e.g. disgust in reaction to something sexually non-normative -> "we need to punish these people socially and legally," fear in reaction to seeing a mentally ill person in public -> "we have to expand psychiatric power to keep these people out of the public," etc.) because you Have received a large amount of conservative messaging in your life & your "common sense" & inner narrative are going to reflect that. so you shouldn't do that. but "reactionary" is a word with a defined meaning which describes a desire to regress or "return" to a conservative, largely fictionalized, "simpler" past against social progress. and i understand this sounds like pedantry to a lot of people but when you daily see self identified leftists scolding, for instance, family abolitionists for being "reactionary" because their politics are a "reaction" to child abuse (and in that process reifying the family as a natural and unquestionable structure, which is an Actual reactionary political position) it's like. well kind of maddening!
re: the "is fanfic serious writing" controversy I ended up deleting the post I reblogged earlier because I think ultimately there's levels of nuance that OP's post doesn't really address and it's not worth adding tags to convey my view until it's more-or-less a different post. the tl;dr is that I think framing questions of literary aesthetics, etc around a model of fandom leads to an extremely myopic view of fiction and too often results in the flattening view that gives you "the Divine Comedy is fanfiction" and "the Aeneid is fanfiction" and other insufferable takes, and I get that again this is the fanfiction enjoyers website but trying to wrestle with questions of literary aesthetics on here and seeing it reblogged with the tag "fandom wank" feels like we've lost the plot.
but also obviously everything is shades of intertextuality and the idea of fandom and fanfiction is itself rooted in modern notions of intellectual property which don't really apply if you go more than a few centuries into the past. I don't think it's the dependence on an earlier work that determines whether something is serious literature/not serious literature - my own current poetry project is a set of adaptations from a corpus of ancient poetry! - but I do think that serious literature that does depend heavily on an existing text also has to wrestle with that intertextual relationship on a metatextual level. can fanfiction do that? sure it can - I've read fanfic that does. but I think there's a middle ground between "fanfiction is fundamentally unserious" and "fanfiction is just doing the same thing as Vergil and Dante did".
i think "conservatives can't make good art" is a generally juvenile and incorrect sentiment that you'll find debunked by plenty of good art made by bad people and bad art with good politics, but it is always really stark when a piece's most monumental failings all very obviously boil down to the fact that, like, the creator does not see or write women as people with any particular interiority or purpose beyond childrearing
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fun fact uncontacted peoples are not ignorant they are fully aware of the "outside world" and are CHOOSING not to have contact because they (rightly) feel it would add no value to their lives and place them in an exploited position. it's voluntary. they are isolated on purpose.
sentinelese people aren't like some ignorant noble savages, or actual savages who are all about warfare and killing (wildly racist take i see very often), they are literally regular ass fucking people who have seen the exploitation of their neighbors (other andamanese people) AND the massive disease outbreaks caused by contact, and decided they want no part in that. they are literally regular people choosing to survive. that's it.
For those in the notes arguing about whether "uncontacted" is the correct term; whether or not it seems the most accurate, it's the term that is being used. "Uncontacted" just means they reject contact with non-Indigenous society, not that they are isolated from all other people or don't know it exists or have never spoken to a white person before. From the link above:
Uncontacted Indigenous peoples reject contact with outsiders, as an active and ongoing choice. Survival International has calculated that there are 196 uncontacted groups worldwide; some of these are entire peoples who are uncontacted – such as the Sentinelese in India. Some uncontacted groups – such as the Ayoreo Totobiegosode in the Paraguayan Chaco or the Amahuaca in Peru – are sub-groups of bigger tribes with whom they share a language and often a territory. All are aware of the outside world, and reject it. They are self-sufficient and resilient. They live independently in forests, sometimes on islands. They resist intrusion, and thrive when their rights are respected.
Uncontacted peoples may encounter outsiders sporadically, or not at all. They are aware of neighboring Indigenous peoples, who may be closely or distantly related. The uncontacted Hongana Manyawa in Indonesia have family members who have left the forest, mostly under duress. The uncontacted Pirititi occasionally encounter their contacted Kinja neighbors in the Brazilian Amazon. The Massaco, also in Brazil, were for decades known only by traces in the forest, including booby traps sharpened with rodents' teeth and placed on their hunting trails to warn off outsiders.
Uncontacted peoples’ rejection of contact is often rooted in memories of devastating past contact and invasion, which brought violence, epidemics and death. Their denial of contact is a clear expression of their autonomy and self-determination.
At that link you can also check out "Voices from the Edge" which is a collection of interviews mostly with Indigenous people who have been forcibly contacted and whose relatives are still uncontacted.
When a book is bad, oh well, the failed artistry of one rube, maybe co-authors. But when a movie is bad, and you consider the military-like scale of production, man-hours, the money involved: you must understand, it feels like I’ve been at war with the world for 29 years.
#when a book is bad you can be like. wow what a fascinating insight into One Guy's personal issues#when a movie is bad it's like. hundreds of people thousands of hours and millions of dollars were marshalled to make this thing#and it Completely Sucks (@specialagentartemis)