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First Image [ep. 119] - There was no steam for any drinks in episode 119.
Second Image [ep. 120] - There are many scenes with the coffee steam, but only from Sayeon's drink.
I wonder if the amount of time shown on screen might indicate how many times she jumped back?
Did she jump back 6 times?
Also now we have the coffee steam = time association. These two images remind me of the other:
First image [ep. 121] - Second image [ep. 73]
Does that mean the Well Godling could be one of the godling's that "guided" humanity?
[ep. 74] Also reminds me of this one to a lesser degree. It's kind of interesting that Samin is wearing Sayeon's glasses in this scene too.
Two other things the steam reminds me of.
The speech bubble when the godling talks (for all the godling's speech bubbles, not just these two):
First image [ep. 120] - Second image [ep. 75]
[ep. 118] This candle smoke when Father Hope is talking to Jinhee?
If the candle smoke is meant to be linked to the coffee steam/time, then could it indicate that Sayeon's gift can really mess with reality one day? Or is it talking about the Cult of Naj specifically? That err Sayeon will put an end to their sufferings...?
I looked into other possible smoke/steam = time scenes in this arc and found these two. Again even though we see a lot of people smoking these are the only two times that the smoke is seen (as a string of smoke) in this Arc. The words and people involved are also very fascinating:
Sayeon: "Cancer doesn't concern you?"
Ryujin: "It won't have time"
I wonder will Sayeon have words with Time about this death you speak of Ryujin?
The smoke is coming from Jungwoo here. We know Jaeil smokes too, so I find it interesting that Sleepy chose Jungwoo for the smoke to come from, however Jaeil is in the forefront which makes me think it's about Jaeil here? (though I'm not certain maybe it has something to do with Jungwoo betrayal theory?)
I also kind of find it interesting that Jaeil next words are:
Jaeil: "Sayeon's gonna kill me"
Both these scenes are from ep. 115 - Delusion or Ambition.
We know Ryujin and Jaeil are parallels in association with Sayeon.
ok time to ryujinpost: the gift reveal segment made me gasp on a first read, esp bc i interpreted blood manipulation powers to allow for “blood bending” type control over other ppls bodies as in atla. but then the way ryujin threatens to hurt sayeon - the finger gun gesture particularly unnerves sayeon - made me feel like no, blood manipulation seems to be only manipulating the properties and movement of ryujins blood in hurting others, not in controlling their movements. ryujins flashback to her mom had her using it to carve up her old colleague rather than “blood bending” him to stop attacking. so that’s it then right? mystery solved?
but on my reread i couldnt stop thinking abt this sequence
does that not look like she stood him up by controlling her own blood in his body, physically forcing his body to stand. is this not some blood bending type shit. im going crazy.
i WANT it to blood bending bc
1. fun irony of ryujin submitting to being a puppet when she has a puppetmaster type power,
2. implies a wider breadth of violation against a victim - she could not just injure someone by puncturing their body, but also force them to do things they do not want to do (tying in w the irony that this sort of existence is what she has grimly locked herself in to by working for the corps)
3. its like tailored specifically to be able to incapacitate sayeon and stop her from rewinding by freezing her movements (and thus her hand snaps!), making ryujin the armor piercing arrow hitting sayeons Achilles heel. like TAILOR MADE to counter sayeon its so beautiful it brings me to tears… only a yellow essence gift negation ability would be a better counter than this…
“but user lesbixch, if ryujin could blood bend, she wouldn’t need to pin father hopes legs down to the floor w her own blood” ok yes… true… its probably not the case that blood manipulation powers confer bodily control. it would be cool as fuck if they did tho.
so, what if they don’t? what is the thematic relevance of blood manipulation powers?
1. any violence ryujin commits requires harm to her body (overwhelmingly self harm). she bites her lip, plunges a knife into her hand, etc to be able to harm someone. theoretically, using too much blood might make ryujin anemic or outright pass out, depending on how she balances her essence healing. pushing herself to exhaustion does sound like another girl we know… it hurts ryujin on multiple levels to use her gift (esp if its only application is purely violent) and it builds towards the general message that committing violence is destructive to both victim and perpetrator, cycles upon cycles, etc. this great post also gets into the christ allegory, w ryujins stigmata, blood sacrifice and others
2. more abstractly, the spilling or exchange of blood evokes close ties, friendship - “blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb” etc. that ryujin can manipulate her blood - can form connections w people, build a little community for herself - is loosely part of this. ryujins whole deal is abt finding love and community after her mom abandons her, and then losing that love and community, and punishing herself for her guilt forever after. if sayeons aura feels like its rotting and festering, ryujins aura probably feels like its an open wound, constantly bleeding..
3. if we want to get psychoanalytic w it, the concept of someone’s bodily fluids entering another person, and then Penetrating them from the inside evokes some sort of bodily violation and assault. like yes, pretty much all weapons created from essence tend to be phallic and penetrating peoples bodies i know i know. all forms of violence r some sort of physical assault and some are more sexual than others. but there is smth abt ryujins power involving bodily fluids in such a way that i like to read as a particularly gruesome assault. i think that this is part of why ryujin would not like using her gift!! its not just that she doesnt want the corps to know it, she herself prob kinda hates it! ryujin is usually not the one manipulating ppl to do things, or encroaching on other ppls agency (she prefers to be the puppet instead..) i think even if her gift helped her survive and kill one of the gyeons who killed her nest, she would be pretty ambivalent abt this gift seeing how violent and coercive it could be. even when ryujin will punch anyone, shes kinda nonviolent abt it bc she knows what real fighting and death looks like LOL. like shes a softie shes a bleeding heart she cares too much she doesnt rly want to be slicing ppl up and ending lives if she can help it. she lets a begonia member go despite how she assumed he hurt sayeon. she maybe (?) could have killed juni to save yesol but she instead asked sayeon for help to save yesol. as much as she hates the gyeon family she has not brought up anything abt the cute little deal sayeon offered re: killing them. she doesnt want to kill ppl!!!
this third point thematically is present w/o the blood bending aspect, but would be strengthened much more w the blood bending of it all, bc it makes her ability that much more coercive. widens the possibility space of how she can violate a persons bodily autonomy lol, furthers the assault/violation vibes of it. explains why ryujin would dislike using it even as it is this powerful. I find that having some blood control over ppls bodies just enhances these points in so many ways. AND it means that the corps would risk having her wreck the other blue ties bc that sort of ability is just that tantalizing. who wouldn’t want an ability granting partial control over an aberrants body!!! they have to train her and use her!!
speaking of who wouldnt want an ability as powerful as that…… if sayeon knew ryujin could easily kill, and not just kill but control the body of her victims, she would absolutely go crazy. like ryujin is absolutely the queen piece on the chessboard, vitally important to any schemes sayeon can make. all while she is too at risk of ryujins power. much like ryujin turning around and betraying sayeon in yesol arc, ryujin could literally incapacitate sayeon and prevent her from rewinding by freezing her body, pinning her hands, etc. sayeon could be completely helpless in the face of ryujins ability. ryujin could be sayeons greatest tool and the most vulnerable chink in her armor. the knife that sayeon sharpens and then lethally cuts herself on… it would be soooo delightful I Wish To See It
in summary, ryujin probably doesnt have blood bending type powers as part of her blood manipulation - theres only that one sequence i posted that could be interpreted as proof - but i would really enjoy how bodily control thru blood bending furthers the already existing characterization and thematic elements at play.. it would be . So . Good .
Legolas pretty quickly gets in the habit of venting about his travelling companions in Elvish, so long as Gandalf & Aragorn aren’t in earshot they’ll never know right?
Then about a week into their journey like
Legolas: *in Elvish, for approximately the 20th time* ugh fucking hobbits, so annoying
Frodo: *also in Elvish, deadpan* yeah we’re the worst
i mean, honestly it’s amazing the Elves had as many languages and dialects as they did, considering Galadriel (for example) is over seven thousand years old.
english would probably have changed less since Chaucer’s time, if a lot of our cultural leaders from the thirteenth century were still alive and running things.
they’ve had like. seven generations since the sun happened, max. frodo’s books are old to him, but outside any very old poetry copied down exactly, the dialect represented in them isn’t likely to be older than the Second Age, wherein Aragorn’s foster-father Elrond started out as a very young adult and grew into himself, and Legolas’ father was born.
so like, three to six thousand years old, maybe, which is probably a drop in the bucket of Elvish history judging by all the ethnic differentiation that had time to develop before Ungoliant came along, even if we can’t really tell because there weren’t years to count, before the Trees were destroyed.
plus a lot of Bilbo’s materials were probably directly from Elrond, whose library dates largely from the Third Age, probably, because he didn’t establish Imladris until after the Last Alliance. and Elrond isn’t the type to intentionally help Bilbo learn the wrong dialect and sound sillier than can be helped, even if everyone was humoring him more than a little.
so Frodo might sound hilariously formal for conversational use (though considering how most Elves use Westron he’s probably safe there) and kind of old-fashioned, but he’s not in any danger of being incomprehensible, because elves live on such a ridiculous timescale.
to over-analyse this awesome and hilarious post even more, legolas’ grandfather was from linguistically stubborn Doriath and their family is actually from a somewhat different, higher-status ethnic background than their subjects.
so depending on how much of a role Thranduil took in his upbringing (and Oropher in his), Legolas may have some weird stilted old-fashioned speaking tics in his Sindarin that reflect a more purely Doriathrin dialect rather than the Doriathrin-influenced Western Sindarin that became the most widely spoken Sindarin long before he was born, or he might have a School Voice from having been taught how to Speak Proper and then lapse into really obscure colloquial Avari dialect when he’s being casual. or both!
considering legolas’ moderately complicated political position, i expect he can code-switch.
…it’s also fairly likely considering the linguistic politics involved that Legolas is reasonably articulate in Sindarin, though with some level of accent, but knows approximately zero Quenya outside of loanwords into Sindarin, and even those he mostly didn’t learn as a kid.
which would be extra hilarious when he and gimli fetch up in Valinor in his little homemade skiff, if the first elves he meets have never been to Middle Earth and they’re just standing there on the beach reduced to miming about what is the short beard person, and who are you, and why.
this is elvish dialects and tolkien, okay. there’s a lot of canon material! he actually initially developed the history of middle-earth specifically to ground the linguistic development of the various Elvish languages!
Frodo: *frantically scribbling* Hang on which language are you even speaking right now
Pippin, confused: Is he not speaking Elvish?
Frodo, sarcastically: I dunno, are you speaking Hobbit?
Boromir, who has been lowkey pissed-off at the Hobbits’ weird dialect this whole time: That’s what it sounds like to me.
Merry, who actually knows some shit about Hobbit background: We are actually speaking multiple variants of the Shire dialect of Westron, you ignorant fuck.
Sam, a mere working-class country boy: Honestly y'all could be talkin Dwarvish half the time for all I know.
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You know we have seen a Relic being activated twice now and I realized something. Both Rarog and Wolhye's Relics had these four pointed star-like patterns around them when activated.
We also have often seen similar star-like patterns around Sara's Relic at seemingly random times. Originally I just thought it was a stylistic choice, but is it possible her Relic is actually active? Did Sara activate her Relic even in places that were not considered dangerous? If so, why?
[Image. 1 ep 72 - Blood Covenant, Image. 2 ep 42 - A Perfect Lie and Image. 3 ep103 - Insects]
Her Relic is red. In other words it is a Relic that should enhance the body in some way. If it is active during these times then we cannot observe what it is actually doing. I wonder though if it is making her gift (future sight?) stronger? Or if it synergizes somehow with her gift in some other way?
Also when Rarog activated his Relic his eyes changed to the color of his Relic's essence (orange). I notice in all these scenes we never see Sara's eyes. Could they be red?
finished my hj reread and paid extra attention to min. he does not seem to have ANY “internal monologue”, at least not in his own voice. a majority of his emotions and thoughts are conveyed through flashbacks, thru his facial expressions/framing, OR *vague spoilers for ch128 which is currently a fast pass chapter* thru occasional omniscient narration/another characters voice.
this is ofc fundamentally abt his agency and personhood being denied thru his whole life. he is not afforded a voice and interiority at all on account of being samins sharpened blade. I really really love this as a narrative choice - his arc seems to be abt breaking free from both samin and sayeon and reclaiming agency for himself as a person, rather than as a tool - and so it will be great if, as he develops his own goals and autonomy, we start actually seeing his internal monologue the way we see sayeons/ryujins/iseuls
more rambling + screencaps under the cut
ch111 (first kiss) also clued me in to how mins body and personhood is not just weaponized but violated in other ways, so during my reread I catalogued each time ppl touch him - most times r . sudden and one sided, such as ppl hugging, kissing, smacking, or putting a hand on him …
im not counting combat, such as training between sayeon and min, or combat w wolhye, etc. so sayeons first “punch” where she tricks min in the first five chapters or so is not here lol, but it is an important characterization moment: if min is fairly opaque due to his lack of internal monologue, then his speech tends to be honest, except in cases where it is necessary to lie. min doesnt speak much, so the times he does speak tend to indicate either his honest thoughts (“im sorry for cutting off your hand. i didnt want to do it”) or maintaining his cover as samin commanded him (questioned about samin: “i dont know who that is.” arguably he might be honest bc he knows her as red more than samin)
when min doesnt have anything honest to say, he keeps quiet. such as when iseul asks him early on his name and what his goal/dream is and min just says his name (sayeon talks abt world peace!<3) or when iseul asks whether min knows sayeon from before, and min doesnt answer until a dozen chapters later. these questions r some of the only times min is treated as a full fledged person w thoughts and emotions of his own. samin and sayeon both use him as a tool, samins gang understands him better but tend to condescend to him (see below lol), cell 3 is wary (or hates him in taehos case). juni mostly dgaf. ryujin doesnt talk a lot to him - notably calls him sayeons attack dog lol. no wonder he was making banana bread for iseul day 1
As for the screenshots and touch: the most positive physical touch seems to be with iseul, who pushes taeho away and touches mins shoulder as .. protection? and also hugs him and says he loves him LOL. jungwoo (silver, samins group) is being playful but min kind of looks pained. pink hugs min only after she denigrates him (“you’re a puppet, booooring”), and it seems more to assuage her guilt than something that would make him feel better lol. i wouldnt be surprised if hes not super fond of either jungwoo or pink, despite the fact that all of them share the role of samins second favorite (sayeon is always first!!) the fortuneteller lady is more neutral..? i dont think he was expecting the cheek thing but he cooks dinner and helps her get to bed so.. I guess he likes granny? but what i rly wanna get into is samins hold
mins past as a victim of trafficking implies either a lack of physical affection/touch, or experiencing violating, traumatizing physical touch (as in, being strapped down and operated on, but up to and including sexual abuse). he doesnt flinch back, though he does seem to freeze, as in the assault scene (first kiss). probably he grew up with very little positive and affirming physical affection. he may or may not be touch starved, but does not generally react to it. So when samin squeezes his cheeks, refers to him as a cute child, and promises him a Family, i think the physical affection is part of why he gets attached to her. shes the cloth mom LOL she provides affection even as she treats him as a tool and denies his personhood. i think paralleling sayeon holding his face the same way - explicitly threatening, demanding loyalty and obedience - reframes samins own hold into something more foreboding. holding a head in place, unable to move, restrained, caged. samin and sayeon r capable of great brutality and gentleness, sometimes both at the same time! sayeon only ever exchanges blows w him in training, while treating him as her attack dog!
re: sayeon, she also seems touch starved (sleeping w a plush rabbit, deriving comfort from being punched by ryujin..) so I find the resonances btwn min and sayeon fascinating. sayeon rejects samins kindness, a loving touch and a scarf around her neck. min watches. min would do anything to be sayeon, to have a scarf wrapped around his neck by family. Sayeon avoiding samins affection and min craving it…. physical affection being an important part of child development, and both either being denied of positive physical affection or forced into unwanted physicality. samin being at least partially the reason for both of them being the way they are….
the other samin touch is from the most recent chapter (124), where samin puts a hand on the umbrella min is holding, while saying she’s counting on him.. again, a light but loving touch. Cloth mom doing it again while sharpening min into her own personal knife. she sucks <3
So combining everything: min does not talk often, min does not have his own internal monologue, mins interiority is explored thru the voice of others (flashbacks) or thru fairly ambiguous cues like facial expressions. mins body is used as a weapon, and his own desires and thoughts are deemed unimportant, unheard and unvoiced. when not used as weapon, min is touched by other ppl in what i would argue r largely neutral to negative ways, in neutral to negative contexts. his body, agency, autonomy r all violated. the ongoing arc has been the tension btwn this reality and mins own burgeoning emotions and ideas - the desire to protect iseul, the desire to disobey sayeon, the desire to make samin happy. disobeying will have consequences, but it might also lead to a min who more openly voices his thoughts, who initiates touch or physical affection, and who has his own internal monologue. im very curious how things will go!!
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so with all that said I find it delightfully wonderful that samin is also mins Voice in his internal monologue. Even in his head the way he speaks to himself is thru her, he is not afforded a voice… not even in his own head… samin is a person in a way he is not.. his self talk is samin denigrating his actions, forever…. WOW!! GET A JOB STAY AWAY FROM HIM
i need min to just. Speak his mind and cuss sayeon out. Maybe he doesnt fully renounce samin but god he should cuss sayeon out at least once . Let’s use our words… let’s say how we really feel.. no more internal monologue samin to mediate. . . let’ss be a person🫶 i am looking forward to how his arc develops a lot!!
thinking about Sara Lee and Raon Kang. how they're foils, just like how Sayeon and Ryujin are foils of each other. specifically thinking about how they view themselves in regard to their respective daughters
Sara's "you're my daughter. you're above that," in contrast with Raon's "Ryujin, you can't grow up to be like Mom. she's the biggest loser in the entire world"
Sara's sheer ego versus Raon's utter lack of pride in herself. the implication that Sara expected success from Sayeon because of who her mother was. while Raon hoped a better future for Ryujin despite who her mother was
Sayeon is good at distancing it so it becomes a number problem. Like the others in the webtoon comment section said though, I wonder would Sayeon choose differently if the single person was Ryujin? Also love the classic Sayeon "evil thinking" hair twirl (her version of the moustache twirl lol).
Isuel's answer does not really surprise me either. Isuel and Sayeon seem to have pretty similar thought process really? They both have the most similar pro-Crops mindset at least. However Isuel seems more forgivable because of the hesitation? (Hmm an interesting thought really, on forgiveness)
Min's answer is so sad. I wonder again however if he would change his tune if it was his loved ones it was about to run over (Samin or Isuel in particular)?
Ryujin's answer is interesting too. It's true that turning something like this into a simple math's problem is dangerous. She has the most moral and thoughtful anwser. However I kind of wonder if she partly might not of wanted to make a choice at all? (which could fall into Ryujin's somewhat passive theme she has in the comic). Also "was it Sayeon" lol.
Interesting that it's Dahee asking the question too.
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Papercraft commission of Frieren! I love this series, so I was extra excited to make this piece. ^_^
Since I had free choice of what spell to depict, I picked the Vollzanbel/black hole spell from the big magic fight in episode 25, because I thought it would look especially rad made out of shimmery holographic paper. Plus, I also got to make flying rocks! Bursts of fiery light! Lots of drama!! And, my favorite part - I got to go super, wildly detailed with Frieren's hair!
terrifying when you watch a movie or a show or whatever & youre like that was fun but it felt a little redundant they didnt need to hammer the point home that much & then you go online & theres thousands of people going that was so weird i did not get it what did that mean google.com ending explained please?
It's easy to forget that media literacy IS a skill. Like, its not something that you just have or you don't, you absolutely can improve your ability to pick up on metaphors and literary devices etc if you actually care to, it just takes practice (ie: watching things through a critical lense and stretching that muscle).
Along the same line of thinking I don't think people who lack media literacy are stupid. Even people with high media literacy tend to forget it's a such valuable skill, but if it wasn't valuable and wasn't something that takes practice and effort there wouldn't be so many literary breakdowns and explanation videos and reviews that get into authorial intent.
More people WANT to understand the deeper intent behind art, but a lot of people never bother to try stretching that muscle because they're convinced that they're just stupid and can't interact with media in that particular way, that that's the job for the brainy reviewers and critics.
All it takes is a little nudge and some encouragement sometimes; There was a time in our lives where none of us knew what a metaphor was. Ultimately if it's someone you care about who "misses the point" of something you like, you COULD be upset that they're "not smart enough" for it or whatever, or you could break down exactly why the point is what it is, and encourage them to look for those literary devices in other things they watch.
Wow Iseul got a lot more powerful since like a month ago right? His gift and ability to visualize what to do has gotten a lot better. Is smartly using it too since he is "knocking it away" instead of trying to lift them all.
That's not ominous at all.
I have a feeling she will be just fine, especially since it looked like she might of activated her Relic?
A Sayeon appeared!
It looks like Taeho might of figured out why the officers are not appearing.
Wha she can take her gift that far!
Gift drop: Total Body Manipulation.
Ouch Taeho. He looks like he is breathing, but that looks really painful.
Oh a Min moment! What will his decision be? Sayeon and Samin basically want the same thing this time? If Min fights for real I assume he will seem too powerful for a mere trainee, so he will blow his cover? Running probably is the safest thing to do here... but I don't think Min and Iseul want to do that, not if it means leaving someone.
I like how the red blood(?) encompasses both Samin and Sayeon in the background. To say they are both opening up that metaphorical wound "obedience" from Min? They both want Min/White to obey, to take his own choice away?
Also side note, it's so interesting to look at Ryujin & Min parallels during this time in the comic, since Ryujin has kind of taken the role to "protect" and "obey" Sayeon from Min. Does that mean he is now "free" to break away from that role?
Oohh I really like this scene.
Every time I see either eyes or spiral-like things in the comic I now think godling! (even if I might be wrong). I do wonder if the raindrops ripples (spiral-like) could have something to do with the godlings though?
Or could it mean something else this time. I find it interesting that the rain ripple on the heads merges both Min's white (yellow?) with Samin's black. To show Min's lack of ability to act without Samin telling him what to do?
There is also the rain ripple on Min's back? Could that mean something too? Maybe something to do with being a traitor (back stabbing metaphor?)?
Hmm and now I see an eye, godling! Or not, I'm not sure yet, but it certainly is a striking scene, our eyes almost immediately focus on the umbrella's eye.
Min has a firm grip on the umbrella's neck, while Samin with her red gloves pat's his hand. The umbrella is the shape of a white goose/duck(?), with a red beak. The beak is a similar color to Samin's glove.
Hmm what do you mean I wonder. I had the thought the goose could represent Min, but why the eye that makes you think of godlings? ..Oh or Begonia! The eye has a similar shape to the Begonia symbol I think. It was likely Begonia that used Min for Rapture, right? Could it be saying that his history as a Rapture Ghost could be affecting the way he sees? The red beak might mean Samin has her hand around his metaphoric beak? He can't say what he wants?
Also definitely sounds like he has been holding back. Just how strong is Min?
I like this frame a lot too.
The umbrella's canopy is also red, to say he is under Red's influence? Control?
I wonder will Min go against this order? Will he use it to protect Isuel and maybe Taeho?
I really like this transition here too.
Samin calling him "White", which is not really a name, so much as a codename, however it seems it was the only "name" he had. The background is black, but then fades to the white background as Isuel yells "Min", a real human name. Which name will Min/White choose?
Another thing to note is it starts to fade to white, once Samin steps outside the umbrella. To show he has more ability to change now that he is distant from Samin? However he still is willing to hold up the umbrella (for now?)?
Oh but then it fades back to black briefly when Samin says "I'm counting on you, kid."
Min really doesn't want to disappoint Samin either.
Isuel really being the MVP so far. I love how he is using his mind as he fights. He's pretty good under pressure.
Oh I didn't think about that. Isuel has fought non-aberrants before (and had that brief fight with Yesol), but in that case he only needed to bind them. In this case it's kill or be killed.
I'm surprised he didn't freeze up with some of the gore, but when you are in the middle of a fight you might not have time to really think about it.
Huh did he run out of essence? Or could this be Wolhye's gift? I know her gift is an "area of effect", but we don't see her. Is her "area effect" a lot bigger then I thought originally?
Oh so it was Wolhye. Her gift must have a rather big "area effect" then. She is a very dangerous opponent.
Love the silly drawing.
Ooohhhhh a scythe!?
I didn't expect a tangible weapon? Unless there's more than meets the eye? It's a purple essence Relic which makes me think it might have some kind of unique purple essence-like ability? Like if it hurts them does it mess with their mind of something?
Also Min might not have to choose right now because of Wolhye's interference, but what will Min chose in the future I wonder?
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