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One like nitpick thing that drives me crazy is when people call Blue Whales the largest whales or the largest living mammals or some shit like that
Because yes that is true. But when you frame it like that you are completely disregarding the absolutely batshit reality that Blue Whales are the largest animals that have ever existed on earth through the entire history of the planet and they are alive right now today
I feel like there's this small trend in Hansel and Gretel adaptations where Gretel is elevated as the main protagonist with Hansel's role being reduced, the presumed logic being that Gretel kills the witch and should therefore be considered the "hero" of the story, even though Hansel is pretty much the main protagonist for the first half of the story before the witch. For example:
In the movie Gretel and Hansel (2020), Gretel is both the main protagonist and also the older sibling (unlike in the Grimm story where she's the younger), giving her the provider role that Hansel originally had
In the game Gretel and Hansel, the player character is Gretel, who does everything Hansel does in the original story (discovers her mother's plot, gathers the white stones, etc) while Hansel is reduced to a blithering idiot incapable of taking care of himself
In the Land of Stories, Gretel is in prison for accidentally killing Hansel in a fit of rage, as she resented him for taking credit for killing the witch and reducing her identity to being one half of a pair. She pleads guilty so she can be "just Gretel" in prison. (Again, Gretel killing the witch is made the reason for why she should be the "hero" over Hansel)
Well, as you point out, it is a "small" trend X) But to this you should add "The 10th Kingdom" because in extra-material I think I remember one of the kingdoms was said to be co-ruled by two queens descending from Little Red Riding Hood and Gretel - because somehow, in an unexplained way, the "Hansel and Gretel" tale had Gretel elevated as a queen?
I feel it is part of something present in every Hansel and Gretel adaptation - that a choice is made between one of the siblings. While on a technical level they are very obviously a team who balance each other out (and it can still be used today in works like "A Tale Dark and Grimm" which pushes it to its extreme logic), various adaptations prefer to have one sibling "dominate" over the other.
Sometimes it is Hansel, sometimes it is a Gretel, each time with a different logic; do you favor Hansel leaving the crumbs and tricking the witch, to make him seem the more intelligent and explain why the little sister saving the day at the end is a big move ; or do you favor Gretel being made a slave and pushing the witch in the oven, making her the more "important" character and reducing Hansel to the mere "sacrificial victim"? As early as the Humperdinck opera I think there was a play on the siblings' "power dynamic" and "victim role"... But it is indeed an interesting thing to notice, why and how each adaptation balances out the siblings' relationship, especially since the age difference is also changed - with who is the oldest sibling changing (I believe "Gretel and Hansel" the movie was precisely the first adaptation to dare to have a notable age gap between the siblings, instead of the two being of close age).
I do wonder however if the trend of having Gretel be the "focus character" or "bigger sister" was not partially influenced by the fairytale "Little-Brother, Little-Sister", which has often been confused with "Hansel and Gretel" due to a similarity of titles, and where the sister is the obvious main character (with people projecting the little brother as a beast to be slaughtered, with Hansel trapped in the cage). In fact I DO recall that there is one set of web-fiction talked about, on A03 I think, that precisely mixed the two tales with Hansel being turned into an animal a la Little-Brother to be killed and eaten by the witch... I'll need to find it back in my notes.
[Also the rise of Gretel prominence in recent works is very obviously tied to the resurgence of feminist or woman-centered retellings, inherently connected with the exploration of what IS a witch and a play on a witch's character and the meta-context around her... From the "Gretel and Hansel" movie to the recent novel "After the Forest": when a story decides to explore more in depth and details the character of the witch as more complex, or witches as a whole, Gretel tends to take over her brother.]
Just giving my two cents here: I love Gretel having a larger role in modern adaptations, but I loathe how many times this means reducing Hansel, the hero of the first part of the story, into a clueless victim.
This pains me because Hansel and Gretel is one of the few fairy tales that doesn't have antagonist siblings, and things like A Tale Dark and Grimm, and even other stuff like Gravity Falls and the Chronicles of Narnia show that you can have interesting dynamics between siblings.
And as someone who grew up with a sister who's only three years younger, and who still shares a bedroom with her, I wish there was more representation for this type of siblings.
Little Red Riding Hood from 'My Book of Favourite Fairy Tales', illustrated by Jennie Harbour, 1921.
Little Noir Riding Hood, more like
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Speaking of Pinocchio and the Blue Fairy... I discovered another French article discussing the evolution of the character of the Blue Fairy - written by Perle Abbrugiati in 2021 for a collection "Women of power, powers of women". An article which focuses on... The Blue Fairy's role and relationship to life and death. I want to point tha this was before Guillermo del Toro released his own Pinocchio where "life and death" play a BIG role.
The article, titled "The Blue Fairy, or the power to give life and death", studies seven "incarnations" of the Fairy and - given we talked previously about which exact color the "blue" of the fairy is - each fairy is playfully identified with a different nuance of the color... The "turquoise fairy" of Collodi's novel, the sky-blue/opaline fairy of Walt Disney's movie, the violet fairy of Comencini's RAI production, the night-blue fairy of Benigni's "daring but unsuccesful" staging, the azure fairy of Enzo Alo's cartoon, the "steel-blue cyborg" of Spielberg's futuristic rewrite, and finally the "frost-blue" fairy of Garrone's (then recent) movie.
I do not have time to translate the article, but you can read it fully in French here.

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"Pinocchio" by C. Collodi Illustration, 1924, by Luigi Cavalieri and Maria Augusta Cavalieri.
Klein Dorit reist mit dem Wind by H. W. Peemöller
1948
Artist : Elsa Eisgruber
Guillermo Del Toro is the only director who would shoot Gepetto making Pinocchio as if it were Dr. Frankenstein creating the monster.
And then shoot Dr. Frankenstein creating the monster as if it were Gepetto making Pinocchio.
Dante Alighieri’s 'Inferno' by Amos Nattini, 1923
They look strangely comfy for damned souls tortured in the lowest circle of Hell...
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Since I already posted about Pinocchio, I need to share this headcanon that I already shared with my friend @mask131 : What if the Blue Fairy is really a ghost?
Listen well.
In the original novel, the Blue Fairy is first introduced as the ghost of a little girl waiting the hearse to come for her. A little ghost girl living in a centuries old empty house. As we know, Carlo Collodi originally would end the story with Pinocchio hanged by the Fox and the Cat. Had he done so, the Blue Fairy would end the story as just that, the lonely ghost of a little girl in a very morbid, gothic ending.
But we know that Collodi continued the story, and the lonely ghost girl became a hundred year old fairy. Yet, the connection between the Blue Fairy and death never went away. She keeps bringing to Pinocchio images of coffins, and funerals.
During several times Pinocchio's shenanigans "kill" her, causing him to grieve her deeply, only for her to return later without any explanation.
Because of the nature of the fairy tales that inspired the novel, we assume the Blue Fairy was being a deceitful mentor, tricking Pinocchio to make him learn his lesson. But what if he did really kill her, it just didn't stay?
My theory is that the Blue Fairy started out as a little girl who died centuries ago. Her form as a ghost girl IS her true form. After becoming a ghost, she eventually ascended to the form of a fairy godmother who oversaw those lands.
And then Pinocchio appears in her afterlife and one thing draws her to him: He dies.
Almost.
After seeing this strange lifeform so near to death, she decides to stop everything and do anything in her power to keep him.
At first she appears as Pinocchio's playmate, then as his sister, but even so, she can't make him stay. He always leaves her, breaking her heart, bringing her back to the realm of death, leaving Pinocchio to grieve her.
After a while, she tries to become her mother, because being his mother is the closest she can get. But even after everything she does to keep him close, Pinocchio still leaves her. He still disobeys. He can't stay with her.
Several times she mocks, and belittles Pinocchio, allowing him to suffer all the consequences of his misdeeds, but that is the consequence of her not being able to keep the boy with her.
In the end I like to see the Blue Fairy as more than Pinocchio's fairy godmother, but as a ghost girl who's literally dying over and over again to keep the tiny puppet boy who she watched die.
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I really like this interpretation, it always felt a bit more than the fairy just pretending to go away, her nature is inextricably linked to Death.
This has also been suggested by others: quite recently, there was the book by Adolfo Córdova Bella Bambina dai capelli turchini, which takes place wholly before Pinocchio and reimagines the fairy as a creature taking care of different children and "dying" in some way when they have to leave her. In Elia Mazzantini's Pinocchio, il colore della notte, the Fairy is also a lost soul that Death, The Rabbit's Shade, makes into her helper.
Crucially, this is also close to how Comencini wrote Lollobrigida's Fairy, with the show making it clear that she is the ghost of Geppetto's wife, come back to give him one last joy.
Even in Garrone's movie, the way her house in the woods is depicted, you can imagine this place having been abandoned for a 1000 years
The Fairy's connection with Death has lead a lot of artist onto creative interpretations
There's also the Guillermo Del Toro movie, that makes the fairy character a sister of death itself, and both are played by Tilda Swinton
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Fairy tale illustrations by Scott Gustafson
Genuine question:
What do you guys think of Scot Gustafson's fairy tale illustrations?
Too sweet and Disney-like? Too saccharine? Charming and adorable?
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Since I already posted about Pinocchio, I need to share this headcanon that I already shared with my friend @mask131 : What if the Blue Fairy is really a ghost?
Listen well.
In the original novel, the Blue Fairy is first introduced as the ghost of a little girl waiting the hearse to come for her. A little ghost girl living in a centuries old empty house. As we know, Carlo Collodi originally would end the story with Pinocchio hanged by the Fox and the Cat. Had he done so, the Blue Fairy would end the story as just that, the lonely ghost of a little girl in a very morbid, gothic ending.
But we know that Collodi continued the story, and the lonely ghost girl became a hundred year old fairy. Yet, the connection between the Blue Fairy and death never went away. She keeps bringing to Pinocchio images of coffins, and funerals.
During several times Pinocchio's shenanigans "kill" her, causing him to grieve her deeply, only for her to return later without any explanation.
Because of the nature of the fairy tales that inspired the novel, we assume the Blue Fairy was being a deceitful mentor, tricking Pinocchio to make him learn his lesson. But what if he did really kill her, it just didn't stay?
My theory is that the Blue Fairy started out as a little girl who died centuries ago. Her form as a ghost girl IS her true form. After becoming a ghost, she eventually ascended to the form of a fairy godmother who oversaw those lands.
And then Pinocchio appears in her afterlife and one thing draws her to him: He dies.
Almost.
After seeing this strange lifeform so near to death, she decides to stop everything and do anything in her power to keep him.
At first she appears as Pinocchio's playmate, then as his sister, but even so, she can't make him stay. He always leaves her, breaking her heart, bringing her back to the realm of death, leaving Pinocchio to grieve her.
After a while, she tries to become her mother, because being his mother is the closest she can get. But even after everything she does to keep him close, Pinocchio still leaves her. He still disobeys. He can't stay with her.
Several times she mocks, and belittles Pinocchio, allowing him to suffer all the consequences of his misdeeds, but that is the consequence of her not being able to keep the boy with her.
In the end I like to see the Blue Fairy as more than Pinocchio's fairy godmother, but as a ghost girl who's literally dying over and over again to keep the tiny puppet boy who she watched die.
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I have been reading The Adventures of Pinocchio on my way back home, and never a book has made me feel so conflicted feelings.
For one, I love how wide and weird this world is. I love how every single animal talks, but some are anthropomorphic and some are not. I love how puppets are understood to be alive. How fairies, ghosts, and giants are a part of this world.
I have seen some scholars comparing Pinocchio to the Odyssey, and yeah, that tracks. It's all about the journey of this mischievous and clever protagonist along a wide surreal world.
It's a very entertaining read, that's for sure.
But damn, judging Collodi's writting by Pinocchio only, the guy must have been a massive conservative.
It's Pinocchio. It always had preachy 19th century morals that would seem harsh and outdated for us. I expected that. Many adaptations carried that outdated preachiness, even the Disney film.
But reading the book and it's somehow even worse than all the adaptations I have seen so far.
The book goes with a thesis that if you are a boy that doesn't go to school, you don't deserve food, shelter, or any type of rights, and you deserve to be cheated, exploited, and abused.
Recently I reached the Land of Toys part, the most striking and nightmarish part, so haunting that it's included in almost all adaptations. I already expected the culture shock, but damnit, the Coachman is essentially trafficking children, selling them into slavery, and it's somehow the children's fault to be caught.
I'm not saying the book is part or anything, but it's annoying how much of it hammers the message that "Obey blindly your elders and government. Never question anything". Poor Pinocchio is a very bratty, mischievous character, but the narrative seems to take pleasure in making him suffer, sometimes for very silly reasons.
And I hate how the Girl with Turquoise Hair, the Blue Fairy, always give him advice that she herself doesn't need to follow.
Yes, Pinocchio, everyone should work or they should starve, but the Blue Fairy, who lives in a fancy manor, has legions of servants, and doesn't seem to do nothing all day.
Excuse Miss Fairy, but from all the characters who ahould tell him this lesson, you aren't one of them.
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Oh yeah, the book is entertaining but really messily written, which also has to do with its publication history (with the grim early ending of the hanging having to haphazardly lead to a continuation) and context (early unified Italy struggling HARD to get children attend the obligatory elementary school and the reality of poorer families relying on their children to immediately start working). And you're totally right about the Fairy, even if on the Island of Busy Bees she dresses like a working class woman, there isn't really anything she reallly does for work! Also, guilt-tripping Pinocchio by faking her death seems to be almost a hobby to her.
I think it's no coincidence that so many, also well received adaptations call into question the moral teachings of the original novel
Indeed, the original "serial format" of "Pinocchio" explains a lot as to why we get constant plot twists and near-death experiences... As for the conflict of values despite the "preachy" tone, I always return to this article by Jean-Marie Apostolidès, "Pinocchio or the male education" (it is in French, but I think I made a very loose translation of it some years ago). It offers an "educational reading" of the story of Pinocchio, in the context of a pedagogical, educational story written for children in a recently-unified Italy with a still-fractured society due to the political and geographical changes of the previous decades ; and it tries to explain the entire conflict of the book through the challenge that Italy faced at the time - trying to create a unified system of education, for all children, of all social classes...
"Pinocchio", trying to place itself within this ambitious project, gets stuck in two contradicting, if not incompatible, systems of value that Collodi (according to Apostolidès) illustrates/doubles with the gendered-parental-conflict. I'll make it clearer:
Apostolidès proposes to see Gepetto, the "father who wants to have a son without a female intervention", and his entire world (aka the one in which Pinocchio exists for the beginning of the book) as the "lower-class" world. Gepetto is a working man with his tools but lacking money and constantly worried about the next meal - which kicks off the "quest for fortune" and "food obsession" present throughout the novel. It is a world where to be able to sustain your family you need to go to school, but school requires money, so the parents sacrifice themselves to obtain this money - the child going to school has to learn and work well there to be able to "pay back" their parent the money they spend, and then be able to sustain them and work hard like them. As such, with Gepetto, the main value and rule Pinocchio is told is the one of "pay back", and it is centered around the quest for money/food doubled by the necessity to give back what was given, and the idea that to become a "proper man/proper adult", you need to be hard-working and to sustain yourself. Which is also the reason Pinocchio, the eternal rebel, the insolent towards everything, immediately flee, runs away and enter in conflict with the figure of Gepetto, who wants a puppet to fully control and manipulate to bring him money, who wants an "animal to train" (foreshadowing the bestial transformation later), but this rigid, traditionalist, miserable world is one Pinocchio flees... And it is in part because of Gepetto's own failures (after all, didn't he forget to make Pinocchio ears, metaphorically making the boy deaf to peoples' advices and only willing to listen to his inside voice?).
This flight and journey then leads Pinocchio to the realm of the Blue Fairy, who becomes "the mother raising her son without any man", the female an maternal universe, much more fantastical and fantasmagorical than the more "realistic" father universe. And Apostolidès notes that with the Blue Fairy we have an abrupt and complete reversal of value as now Pinocchio is undergoing a "bourgeois education" and faced with the bourgeois idea of growing up. He lives in a comfortable, pleasant palace ; is role as a "child" is not anymore to be working for the parent, but to be cared for by the parent, and now the rules given are to obey, to be a "good boy", and you have this "luxury of allowing yourself to be a child for a little longer" that poor kids, forced to become adults as soon as possible, do not have. But the Fairy is also an "imperfect" parent figure due to her ambiguity - frightening the child, playing emotional tricks with him, constantly shifting her appearance - the same way the "maternal world", more magical, bearing from the literary fairytales of old, is one filled with wonders and monsters, mysteries "as benevolent as hostile", culminating with Pinocchio "finding his father in the belly of the shark", which Apostolidès points out might have a subtext of the "devouring motherhood".
Apostolidès concludes that the ending of the story is basically Pinocchio reaching a balance after being exposed to the two poles: he returns to his father, accepts his "paternal world", is an obedient child who works for his father, to sustain him and become his "equal and heir" - but while he leaves behind the "fairy-world", this "journey through the "maternal world" helped Pinocchio face his fears and desire, gain an individuality, learn to differentiate reality from illusion, and so it made him "rich" both in a personal way and a literal way, as the Blue Fairy gives the father-son duo the treasure that helps them have a "happily ever after". Apostolidès points out that, had Pinocchio given him to Gepetto's social model and traditionalist habits, it would have just sustained the vicious cycle of the misery of the low-class ; but because he obtained the bourgeois-mother-fairy treasure, they can actually "climb up" into a proper, decent middle-class.
(And Apostolidès has the rightfully ironic observation that Walt Disney's Pinocchio, moved to the values of 1940 USA, has the reversal social subtext. Pinocchio there is the child of two "parents" that work together since the start to make a "complete" boy, Gepetto is not a starving, poor wood-cutter but a toy-maker living with a certain ease, embodying the "traditional Protestant work ethic" of the USA, and Pinocchio is as a result an "ordinary middle-class American child". Here the conflict is about the villains tempting him "beyond his condition", to grow up "too early" and be an "adult before his time" either by becoming a child-star in the puppet show or by enjoying adult activities in Pleasure Island... And in the good versus evil neat divide brought by Disney, opposed to the more complex moralities of Collodi, the "evil side" is... poor. The Cat and the Fox are marginals living on the edge of the "abundant society", the naughty children turned into donkeys are all clearly from a low, poor class, and Pleasure Island is based onto the Luna Parks, which were perceived with distrust for being too "popular", aka open to everybody, entertainments where "shady" people could be met - and that Walt Disney himself would oppose with his cleaner, more "proper", fully middle-class, Disneyland... That Apostolidès mocks as another incarnation of the same "Pleasure Island").
Hey question for those who see the Odyssey:Would you reccomend it to someone who reallly intensely dislikes Christopher Nolans style
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OK so my friends,I have a big ask from you guys,if you see the new Odyssey movie,I dont just wanna hear is it good or bad,I have a specific question:Would you reccomend it to someone who deeply doesnt like Nolan as a filmmaker
Cause like some of the casting has me interested as does the fact I adore this story,its one of my favorite stories ......But of the 5 Christopher Nolan films I have seen,,,,,,,I like 1 and even then its just alright,and thats the Dark Knight ,but Im always open to be proven wrong
So would you reccomend the Odyssey to someone who doesnt like Nolan ?
I'm actually planning to watch it this Saturday. Do you want me to share the experience afterward?
Despite everything I'm still excited. It's Greek mythology and despite my worst fears, at least Nolan didn't demythologized the story. It's still a story with gods, cyclops, and sirens, so I'm cautiously optimistic
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So, I've finally watched Conclave last friday.
I am late, I know. The fun story why I didn't watch it when it first came out is as follows:
>The movie came out. My sister planned for us to watch this movie, she is excited.
>She took our beloved laptop and we settled into our bed under a warm blanket. We are warm and cozy, ready to watch the movie
>She starts the movie.
>I'm very tired so I put my head on my sister's shoulder. I blackout.
>I wake up at the end of the movie confused.
Yeah, basically my university along with my procratination got me back then. I've asked my sister what the hell happened in the movie and she retold me a whole plot. So I didn't watch this movie blindly without major spoilers, sadly.
But I fucking love Thomas, I really hope that he went on a good vacation somewhere after the movie. Before I watched the movie I thought that Vincent would be my fun, but I was wrong.
Now, there will be spoilers ahead.

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i also want to read this guy’s dead wife
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