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Brüderchen und Schwesterchen
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I seriously hate Girlboss versions of Cinderella. It was fun in 2004 with Hilary Duff in her movie version but now it is stale and trite. It has been done to death. It is a dead horse.
My complicated feelings about "girlboss Cinderellas" would take a long time to unpack.
But for now, I'll say this: when I see a new version of Cinderella, all I want is for Cinderella's portrayal to be different from any other Cinderella who came before her. She shouldn't always be gentle and defined by patience and kindness, but neither should she always be a feisty action girl. What she should always be is a different kind of heroine, to help us see the story in a fresh light.
This story has been told, and told extremely well, again and again and again: each new version should have something new to say, or what's the point?
The phrase "Insta-Love" annoys me.
That trope already has a perfectly good name: Love at First Sight.
I know I sound like my dad right now... my status as a poet's daughter is showing... but why throw out a perfectly good, time-honored phrase, and replace it with an uglier, less elegant one that's only a single syllable shorter and no easier to say?
Another odd thing I've found in Austen commentary, this time about "Sense and Sensibility": some people are convinced that Marianne is Austen's self-insert, a self-mocking reflection on her own adolescence, while other people insist that Elinor is much more like Austen, and that she might even be the closest to a self-portrait out of all her heroines. Now, of course it's a mistake to assume that any fictional character is the author's self-insert unless she actually says so. But which of those claims do you think is more likely true, if either?
I don't think any of Jane Austen's characters are self-inserts, though of course I can't say for sure since I didn't know her. I have heard multiple times that Austen's family said she most resembled Henry Tilney of Northanger Abbey. I think this might be in the biography written by James Edward Austen-Leigh (I don't really read biography). I do think Henry Tilney's voice is pretty close to that of the narrator.
The biography I have read said Jane Austen was a frivolous social butterfly as a youth, which sounds like neither Marianne or Elinor Dashwood. So I pick none! Both of the Dashwood sisters are pretty introverted, even though only one is self contained. I wouldn't use "social butterfly" to describe any Jane Austen heroine except maybe Elizabeth Bennet or Emma Woodhouse. Marianne is a Romantic drama queen and Elinor is an Elder Sister.
As an side, one of the only books I've read where a character really felt self-insert is Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park by Micheal Crichton, but that's just a personal vibe. I don't go around basing analysis on it. I just think it's telling that when asked to write a sequel, he resurrected Ian Malcolm from the dead.
Authors probably put bits of themselves in every character, but that's just because they are human and we aren't completely unique.
I keep finding that people who insist Romeo and Juliet isn’t about love or isn’t romantic often use arguments that bend over backwards and they often clamor around Disney or fairytales like Snow White or Cinderella which uses similar logic as Romeo and Juliet does but yet they don’t insist the Princess and Prince aren’t in love.
I suppose the difference they see is the difference in genres: fairy tale vs. tragedy. They can accept that in a fairy tale, Love at First Sight can be real just like fairy godmothers and magic mirrors, but in a tragedy, they expect realism. Yet Love at First Sight is hardly the only unrealistic plot point in Romeo and Juliet: what about the potion that perfectly simulates death for two full days, then wears off with no side effects? Or what about Shakespeare's other tragedies? Hamlet, where the plot hinges on the appearance of a ghost, or Macbeth, where prophecies from witches come true? Shakespeare didn't write realism.

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is it just me, or the disney fandom has a weird case of racial bias? all the new female characters, Raya, Mirabel, Asha, Moana, are hated for being 'girlbosses, and the fandom seems to suggest a 'prettier', more 'delicate' and 'feminine' type of princess, which sounds a little weird to me, and regards to the male characters, it's the princes of color who get the most hate. Aladdin the liar, Shang the sexist, Naveen and Maui are manbabies..it feels really insidious, especially when these comments come from the same person.
Yes. I think it started from a place of good intent, wanting to defend the three Walt-era Princesses after so many years of people bashing them and calling them anti-feminist. But it’s taken a turn so that a lot of fans just seem to want more heroines like the Walt-era Princesses and enjoy bashing all the heroines who are less sweet, poised, and delicate - or less white, for that matter.
As for the Princes and other heroes, I have seen the white ones excessively criticized too - e.g. Snow White’s Prince the stalker/necrophiliac, Adam the abuser, John Smith the colonizer, Quasimodo the Nice Guy, Flynn Rider the jerk, Kristoff the boor. And I haven’t personally seen too much criticism of Shang; if anything, I’ve seen more fans who try too hard to insist he does nothing wrong. (“He doesn’t care that she’s a woman, he’s just upset that she lied!”) But I’m sure those defenses are in response to excess criticism that I just haven’t seen. And I can’t get over how hard some people are on Aladdin! It does make you wonder: if the exact same story took place in a European setting, with white characters, would they be as hard on him, or would they empathize a little more?
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To be fair ...
John Smith WAS a romaticized portrayal of an actual real life colonizer that the Native American comunity has been calling out for decades, so I wouldn’t really put him as unfairly overly criticized like the other male characters.
That's true. When you just take the fictionalized version of John Smith by himself, to write him off as just a colonizer is to ignore his character arc, but the real John Smith had no such redemptive journey, and the story of Pocahontas saving his life was probably fiction.
I haven't heard the Disney Princesses-or-similar-heroines-Of-Color getting suspiciously-hated-more-than-the-white-princesses for being "girlbosses" but what I have heard is hate on the modern Disney heroines for being "adorkable" and just as much as you see fans praise the feminism of Disney Princesses/Heroines Of Color like Asha and Moana having no love interest in their movies, you also see fans shit-talking those movies because of that because it's supposedly saying "women of color are not worthy of love" or something like that
Oh yes, both of those are way too common!
I used to agree with the complaints about having so many "adorkable" heroines, not because I didn't like them, but because of the sameness of them; I wanted more of a variety of personalities. But now I realize that too often, those complaints just amount to "Why can't Disney's modern heroines be flawlessly graceful, poised paragons like the heroines of the past?" and basically shame the adorkable heroines for (a) not being perfect, (b) not performing femininity correctly, and (c) showing traits that can very easily be read as autistic and/or ADHD.
Then there's the complaint that none of the newest heroines of color are "validated with a love interest." I couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw those words in front of me. People actually think it's progressive to insist that women and girls need to be "validated" by having men fall in love with them?! Now, I understand that different things are empowering for girls of different ethnic groups. But something doesn't feel right about saying that a heroine of from group "needs" to end up with a man as "proof" that women of that group can be beautiful and worth falling in love with, and that if she has no love interest, it's "racist" and will make girls of that group think they're ugly. Telling any girls, of any group, "You need a man's love to validate your worth" just isn't progressive, no matter how they try to frame it as such. I have the same misgivings when people claim that The Hunchback of Notre Dame is "ableist" because Quasimodo doesn't end up with Esmeralda: I understand where they're coming from, but no one needs romantic love to prove their worth.
"If you think you have wronged me by giving me your friendship, and occasionally admitting me to the enjoyment of your company and conversation, when all hopes of closer intimacy were vain—as indeed you always gave me to understand—if you think you have wronged me by this, you are mistaken; for such favours, in themselves alone, are not only delightful to my heart, but purifying, exalting, ennobling to my soul; and I would rather have your friendship than the love of any other woman in the world!”
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Regarding Cathrine (I) from Wuthering Heights:
I was actually speechless, how many people perceived her so negatively. Like, I am sorry, but a marriage for convenience and not out of love is not a great sin, considering her circumstances.
Furthermore, people were convinced, that she was an attention-seeking woman, who was jealous of every light that did not fall on her head...
From my perspective however, it appears, as if those two men decided to shower her with attention on their own accord. Heathcliff doesn´t seem to forgive Cathrine, that he has these feelings for her.
Her understanding of love ect might be a lil bit strange. She thinks, she had to suppress and change herself in order for Edgar to like her, therefore he should be more accepting of her wishes as well. In Cathrine´s eyes she needs Heathcliff like the air, that she breathes.
Additionally, I perceive her as a rather loyal and straightforward person, in contrast, what other people might think. She might not be always kind, though.
Of course, she can be violent and loses her temper pretty easily, but I do think, that if she was a guy, nobody would bat an eye regarding this.
Nellie Dean´s greatest criticism regarding Catherine is her being egoistic (true) and not being a lil submissive wife (also true). She has her will and her wishes and she is not exactly the shy kind of person.
I don’t judge Catherine for marrying for convenience or generally in her relationship with men.
Her relationship with Edgar is fascinating though, because she herself thinks that the one who accommodates her spouse is herself:
People are rightfully fascinated by Catherine not seeing a contradiction or conflict between her “two loves” here, but I also am fascinated that her perception of her own marriage is so radically different from Nelly’s. I think this might actually point to Nelly’s bias.
I do think that Catherine is a rather self-centered individual who can be physically abusive to her servants, so I understand why Nelly in particular dislikes her, though Nelly herself is far from flawless too in this relationship.
I think Catherine’s worst action in the book is the way she revealed Isabella’s crush to Heathcliff, that was a very thoughtless thing to do and had disastrous consequences. But Catherine being thoughtless, petty and spiteful is what makes her human anyway. She definitely didn’t want Isabella to be actually harmed.
So. my verdict is that Catherine is a complicated, troubled and morally complex individual. But this is actually a massive achievement of Bronte. She managed to write a morally flawed 19-year-old girl in a domestic setting without making her sexually transgressive, especially violent, or vapid and flighty: You would expect a female character who is in love with a man other than her husband, who is shown to be physically abusive to others, and who rejects marrying the one she loves because he is poor to come across as these things, but Catherine Earnshaw doesn’t come across as any cliche. She is wonderfully human.
It is also a great achievement that I can be annoyed at Catherine’s actions while reading the book but also totally understand her unique charisma and why men are in love with her. No one, not even people who hate the character, questioned why Heathcliff and Edgar are obsessed with her.
But in my current reading of the book, the thing that I am most obsessed with regarding Catherine is her relationship to social class. It is absolutely contradictory and fascinating. She comes across as both a snob and the exact opposite of one. I want to study it all in a jar under a microscope.
I think with my current reread, Catherine Earnshaw truly is becoming one of my favorite characters. Before this I liked her more as an extension of Heathcliff.
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She's one of my favorites too.
When it comes to the question of whether she accommodates Edgar or he accommodates her in their marriage, it could be that both are true in different ways, but for personal reasons Catherine only sees her own side of the equation while Nelly only sees Edgar's.
And while her choosing to marry Edgar rather than Heathcliff is obviously framed as a tragic mistake, I've never viewed it as a moral failing either. I agree that the worst premeditated act she ever commits is humiliating Isabella by revealing her feelings to Heathcliff, though the worst act overall might be her tantrum in which she hits both Nelly and Edgar and shakes toddler Hareton.
She's definitely not a good person, but she's a complex and fascinating one, who deserves better from readers than to be viewed either as just an extension of Heathcliff or as just detestable.
I still feel the same way about Catherine as before, but I've changed my mind about the worst thing she ever does.
It's not humiliating Isabella, or her violent tantrum. It's insisting that Nelly come with her to be her servant at the Grange when she marries, and (it's implied) persuading Hindley to insist on it too, even though this leaves little Hareton without his devoted nurse. While it's understandable that she wants one familiar person to come with her, it means separating a child from the only mother figure he's ever known and leaving him alone with his alcoholic father and Joseph.
I still have sympathy for her and find her fascinating, though.
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I was just listening to a YouTube video about Jane Austen's life, and in passing, it suggested that the reason why mother/child relationships are so often distant in Austen's books (with the mothers either dead, absent, or incompetent) might be because of Austen's own class- and period-typical lack of childhood bonding with her mother: living with a village wet nurse as a baby, then having a nanny, and then going to boarding school. Do you think this link is likely true, or does it sound like an excessive attempt to link the art to the psychology of the artist?
I don't personally like to draw parallels between the author's real life and their novels, unless something is clearly semi-autobiographical (Agnes Grey for example). But I would also say that not all Austen mothers are dead, absent, or incompetent. Mrs. Jennings is quite active, visits her daughters frequently, and seems to have a very loving relationship with at least Charlotte and her son-in-law (Lady Middleton doesn't like her mom). Mrs. Dashwood in Sense & Sensibility may not be as prudent as Elinor, but she is loving and close with her daughters, especially Marianne. Mrs. Morland is mostly not around for Northanger Abbey, but seems to be very involved with her children. The Musgroves seem very close despite boarding school and Mary Musgrove seems to be around her kids a lot, if not directly taking care of them.
Also, I think sometimes we get arrogant in our modern ideas of parenting and think children would have felt unloved in the past. However, expectations would have been different and comparison would be different as well. Children would look around and see that the way their parents expressed love for them was similar to other families, so they probably wouldn't feel deprived. I remember even reading a study that 20 minutes per day of genuine bonding with a child is all they really need. The Austens visited their wet-nursed children daily as far as I remember. And children today still have deep bonds with their parents despite 6 hours of school and after school activities. Or not, if their parents suck. But parents will suck under any model of parenting.
I think Austen was just interested in how parents can prepare their children for life or drag them down. She avoids the popular orphan trope and instead focuses on the ways parents can affect their children while alive. If her heroines are half-orphans, she always kills the more competent parent... You know I don't think the relationships are really that "distant" at all. Mrs. Bennet is right there, muddling in her daughter's lives. Fanny Price is over-parented. The Dashwood girls are close with their mother... Anne was close to her mother and is very close to a mother figure in Lady Russell. Emma has a close female mother figure as well.
Anyway, I guess my general answer is no, I don't agree. Doesn't seem like a coherent theory to me.
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personally I DONT think Jane Austen intended for Mr. Bennet to be paying Mrs. Bennet a genuine compliment when he said she was as beautiful as any of their daughters. He seems kind of incapable of paying his wife a real compliment.
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I still think we should have MILF Mrs. Bennet. I think everyone should be like “damn” when they see her and then she opens her mouth and they’re like “oh”. I want them to go through the same process Mr. Bennet did, in a much shorter time frame.
I think Mr. Bennet is saying that Mrs. Bennet is still beautiful, but for him that wouldn't be a compliment. In his perspective, her beauty ruined his life. So it's probably like he's saying, "Mr. Bingley better watch out, your beauty STILL might tempt him into the worst marriage ever unfortunately."
and totally yes to the second statement. But I want her to also have a very sexy voice, that you quickly realize is spouting nonsense.
Yes to all of this! In some future adaptation, let’s have a youngish Mrs. Bennet (because honestly, if she married as young as Elizabeth does, she would be 44 or 45, and if she married as young as Lydia does, she would be just 39 or 40!), who may be slightly overweight (from giving birth five times), but otherwise is still stunning, so we see where Mr. Bennet’s mistake came from.
For that matter, give us a Mr. Bennet no older than 50, to reinforce that he married his wife out of blind youthful infatuation, and make him good-looking too, to reinforce that it was mutual. (Although of course the future Mrs. Bennet also had the motive of social climbing.)
In the earlier "Little House" books, are we supposed to dislike Mary?
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No, that's nonsense
I was just thinking back to an article I read long ago, from a woman reflecting on the Little House books.
She wrote that she never identified with adventurous, tomboyish Laura, but that as a girly girl, a quiet introvert, and a firstborn sister who always felt pressured to be perfect and set a good example for her siblings, she saw herself in Mary instead. Then she complained about how the books' narrative obviously expects readers to identify with Laura and to dislike Mary, at least until the latter loses her eyesight.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that's total nonsense?
I went back and skimmed through all of the earlier Little House books just to see if I thought Laura Ingalls Wilder meant for us to dislike Mary. And sure enough, I don't! Yes, she has some scenes of sibling rivalry with Laura and of bossing her around, and we do see Laura's envy of her older sister's "perfection," but that's not the sum total of Mary's character or of their relationship! There are plenty of other scenes where the sisters play or work nicely together and show their closeness.
Besides, Wilder was an elderly woman when she wrote the books, and by the time she wrote them, Mary had died. Do we really think she wanted to slander her late sister's memory to young readers? It seems to me that she was just being honest. Of course both sisters had their flaws, especially as children, and didn't always get along – because they were human. But I've seen plenty of other siblings in other books and media whose relationships are much, much worse, and to think Wilder wanted readers to dislike Mary seems so far-fetched to me!
I don't think we're necessarily "supposed" to identify with Laura either. It's just that Laura was the author of the books. I can't imagine that Wilder thought to herself "Readers will identify with me." She just told the story of her family's past from her own point of view because that's what any author would do.
Thoughts, anyone?

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At one point, the American release of the 1956 version of Notre Dame de Paris was going to be retitled Hunchback of Paris due to legal issues regarding the use of the name “The Hunchback of Notre Dame.”
RKO, who made the 1939 version, claimed to own the name. The legal issues were eventually resolved, and the film was released as The Hunchback of Notre Dame in 1957.
Interesting!
This is the same reason why from the late 1930s onward you don’t see any Hollywood adaptations of Cinderella under the name Cinderella. Instead you get names like The Glass Slipper, The Magic Slipper, First Love, or Cinderella’s Feller… because in Hollywood, the title Cinderella was owned by Disney.
I had forgotten that in the Wishbone version of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, they pronounce Frollo’s name as “Froyo,” as if it were Spanish.
Thanks to @thehunchcast for the reminder!
It doesn’t make the show any less special or adorable or good as an introduction to literature for kids, but still, that’s kind of funny.