I know I made a poll about it before, so I don't need to bring it up again, but I wish that Jane Austen fans wouldn't accuse Darcy of "negging"!
Negging is manipulation. Negging is when a man insults a woman or gives her backhanded compliments to break down her self-esteem. The point is to make her grateful that he likes her despite all "flaws," to stop her from thinking she's too good for him, and/or to make her think no one else would want her.
Darcy isn't negging Elizabeth when he insults her looks at the beginning: he's genuinely not interested in her and genuinely doesn't find her pretty at first. The omniscient narrator tells us that he only gradually becomes attracted to her as he gets to know her better.
Nor is he negging during his first proposal when he makes such a big, insulting deal of Elizabeth's lower social status. He's not trying to manipulate her into accepting him: he thinks she's already been flirting with him and has no doubt that she'll accept. He's just being excessively, brutally honest.
I know some of the people who say "Darcy invented negging" are just joking, but it's not true. For all his other flaws, he's not a manipulator.
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Howdy, these are my personal favorite voice performances of Snow White, bc I've been watching a lot of those ranking videos lately over the past few months since they're always in my recommended lmao.
Now remember!! This is my personal opinion, and yours may be different than mine and that's fine! So, if you don't like my picks...idk you can make your own top ten, I think that'd be pretty neat.
I like hearing different people's opinoins and perspectives...just as long as you're nice about it.
These aren't in any particular order btw, just only in the order I find the videos first lmao. Like, I love all of them, they're all wonderful imo.
So, let us begin!
Oh...I should probably tag the Snow White guyâąïž(bc that's what you are in my mind Rin) @snowrinrin bc I want to hear your opinion :>
Adriana Caselotti, English
She's the original! She has to be on the list, she way she speaks is so calming and sweet, like, I just can't help but feel happy when listening to her, she sounds so full of whimsy and positivity and I love that.
I know the voice and singing isn't for everyone, but I love her and how she sounds :3 And her high notes are really cool, like ok diva pop off <3
Cybele Freire, Brazilian Portuguese (1965)
I really like how she sings; she sounds very sweet but not annoying and shrill like how some other dubs make Snow sound, I really enjoy her and her performance! I listened to her music and it's really nice! It's a bit different from how other Snow White's sound but I like it, it's refreshing.
(also this was the only vid I found that had a range of her performance sorry for the depressing ahh title agsdhfj)
Tatiana Angelini, Swedish (1938)
I love the vintage sound and how she sings specific notes, she just...sounds like a beautiful Snow White, she's lovely! She speaks so softly that it's calming to me, I love soft spoken voices hehe, and she's very darling to me.
Rachel Pignot, French 2001
Her voice just scratches a spot in my brain idk how else to describe it. Like she speaks so calmly and isn't really forceful with her performance. Rachel makes a very lovely Snow White idk what else to say other than I think she's lovely and charming. Though, shoutout to Lucie Dolene, the 1962 French dub voice for Snow, she's also great!!
VigdĂs Hrefna PĂĄlsdĂłttir, Icelandic
She's always in top spots of other ranking videos for a reason, just listen to her! She strikes that perfect spot of sweet while sounding youthful but not forced, she's a lovely Snow :3
Mitsa Routi, Greek
I just can't help but like her, she sounds a little bit old for Snow, but I still really like her, she sounds really elegant to me :) I enjoy the deeper voice even if it doesn't perfectly 'fit' Snow.
Also, Greek is such a pretty language to me so....~
Ventsislava Stoilova, Bulgarian
When I close my eyes I can picture Snow White, so that's a very good sign lol. Like I've said many times, she sounds so sweet. And softspoken! I really enjoy that, and I love her high notes in 'Sdmpwc' they aren't forced like how some other singers sound (none in this list btw) and I love her speaking voice too! She's so cutieful aaa
(also the lyrics in this version are so romantic and fairytale-esque to me)
Susanne Tremper, German 1966
She's my preferred voice of the German dubs, she strikes the perfect tone for me honestly, and it's also helps since she was in the perfect age range for Snow at the time, so she has a youthful sound bc Susanne was 18 at the time I believe?
I also just like how she sounds in the other things she's been in. Her singing as Snow just sounds...innocent to me idk how else to describe it, even if her high notes are a bit warbly in some places I still think she sounds really nice and I like how she sounds :>
Edyta KrzemieĆ, Polish 2009
Every ranking video I've seen has her in high regard and I can understand why! Her high notes are so pretty to me, they're not super-duper high, but they have this certain softness to them that I really enjoy. She's super cute! And that's important when you're Snow White lol
Marie SikulovĂĄ, Czech 1970
I really enjoy her performance as Snow! I really like her operatic sound and when she speaks, she has this sweetness to her voice that's super cute. Marie did a really good job imo :)
Also Czech is such an interesting language that I feel like you don't think about that often, but when you hear it you hear how pretty it sounds. (also the prince in this version sounds very nice too! Shoutout to him.)
And that's my list! This was pretty fun for me so I might do the other princesses/heroines (that I care about), I find it so interesting that there's so many videos and posts about their favorite dub voices for characters and how different they all tend to be!
Though my top 3 are definitely Adriana, Edyta, and Ventsislava, they just embody Snow White to me :3
But that's just my opinion!
If anyone gets inspired to do their own list I'd love to see it! Tag me in it if you do make one, or if any of you want to be tagged in the next list I make please let me know!
The cast of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs at the Muny (St. Louis Municipal Opera), 1969.
The stage adaptation of Disney's Snow White that was performed at Radio City Music Hall in 1979, with its book by Joe Cook and its new songs with lyrics by Cook and music by Jay Blackton, didn't originate at Radio City. It was first performed in 1969 at St. Louis's famous outdoor musical theatre, the Muny.
Here we see operatic soprano Patricia Wise as Snow White and operatic tenor Frank Porretta (father of actor Matthew Porretta) as her Prince. And among these actors with dwarfism who play the seven dwarfs, there are two very notable names: Billy Barty as Dopey (his credits are too many to list), and Jerry Maren, the green-clad middle member of the Lollipop Guild in The Wizard of Oz, as Sleepy.
(This wasn't Billy Barty's only experience with the tale of Snow White, as eighteen years later he played the dwarf leader Iddy in the 1987 Canon Movie Tales adaptation. Nor was Jerry Maren the only former Munchkin to appear in a Snow White adaptation, as Billy Curtis, the "And oh, what happened then was rich!" Munchkin, played the eldest dwarf Barnaby in the 1984 Faerie Tale Theatre version.)
Also in this production were another operatic soprano, Marthe Errolle, as the Evil Queen, and Australian actor Laurie Main, whom some of us remember best as the kindly narrator of Welcome to Pooh Corner on the Disney Channel, as Snow White's father the King.
"Pride and Prejudice" poll: Identifying with Elizabeth and Darcy
Yes, I identify with Elizabeth (on a level beyond being feisty and snarky)
Yes, I identify with Darcy
Yes, I identify with both of them in certain ways
No, I don't identify with them, but I personally know people who do
No, I don't identify with them, and I don't know anyone who does
Remaining time: 6 days 5 hours
Every now and then, I've heard people claim that Elizabeth and Darcy aren't relatable characters. Repeatedly I've read the claim that Elizabeth is a heroine you aspire to be like, not a heroine you relate to. (To me that claim seems odd, though. She's far from a perfect role model: she spends the first half of the book getting things wrong, and the second half realizing she was wrong and changing her opinions!) And as for Darcy, I know what people who honestly do relate to him have to deal with: other people scoffing at the very idea, insisting that he's just a fantasy of a snob who transforms into a romantic ideal.
But I don't buy that. Both characters seem very human and believable to me. There must be more people who see themselves in them than some fans think there are!
So do you identify with one of them, or both of them, or do you not?
Regarding Emma Thompson's strawberry blonde Elinor hair, I would complain about it because it's ahistorical. Red hair would have been a major flaw at that time, greatly detracting from a lady's beauty. P&P 1995 gets this right with their red-haired Miss King. Kate Winslet's hair has a slight red tint in the movie too, IIRC, even though Marianne is supposed to be a brunette. There were probably few complaints from moviegoers because red hair is less stigmatized than it once was.
Yes, even much later in the 19th century, Victor Hugo framed Mme. Thenardierâs red hair in Les Miserables as a part of her ugliness. For that matter, since that was how he felt about it, he probably made Quasimodo a redhead in The Hunchback of Notre Dame to further emphasize his ugliness too. And of course later still, in Anne of Green Gables, we see Anne Shirley's loathing of her own red hair.
Even today it's a sore point. Not from my perspective, of course: from the outside as a brunette, I've always thought or red, auburn, or strawberry blonde hair as beautiful, and until I read Anne of Green Gables for the first time I never heard anyone say otherwise. But when Halle Bailey was cast as Ariel in the live-action remake of The Little Mermaid, I remember the uproar. Not just from the blatant racists (although they could be heard too), but from redheads accusing Disney of prejudice against their hair color, claiming that all their lives they had been taught that red hair was ugly and garish, but that Ariel made them feel like they could be beautiful for a change, and now Disney was taking that away from them. Though as it turned out, that big fuss was fur nothing, because Bailey's Ariel had red hair after all: black people sometimes have red hair too.
One thing I'd like to know is this: at what point in Western history did red hair start to become more accepted, to the point that a woman could have red or reddish hair and be considered beautiful? I assume it was probably the late 1800s, because I've found some Pride and Prejudice illustrations from that time that give Elizabeth or even Jane strawberry blonde or auburn hair.
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Interesting that they toyed with giving Aurora black hair. Though I understand why they decided against it in the end, as that would have made her too similar to Snow White.
Kinda wild how the concept of emotional labour changed from
"people have to hide their emotions to perform specific types of labour where their apparent emotions influence another person's. Eg. Flight attendants have to be cheerful all the time, so that passengers feel welcome and safe. This suppression and masking of emotion can cause a sense of disconnect within the individual where they dont know what their true feelings are. This is part of the Marxist idea of alienation from labour and from the self."
To
"If you ask me to care about you or listen to your problems, youre being toxic."
Sociologist Arlie Hochschild coined the term in 1983, specifically describing it as emotional performance required by a worker for a job. This alienates the worker from their own feelings. The expected emotion can be care, joy, etc. but it can also be harshness or simply the expectation to not show your real emotions in the workplace.
Sociologist Arlie Hochschild also coined the term 'the second shift' in 1989. describing how in families where a man and a woman both have a job, the woman is often still expected to do all the child raising and house cleaning, meaning she is carrying a double workload.
Already in 1983 (before coining the term 'second shift' but already developing the concept), Hochschild herself connected the two ideas, writing: "In a typical nuclear family unit, it is thought that women become responsible for much of the emotional labor by default, meaning they are responsible for shaping and managing the familyâs feelings."
So we have the person who coined the term, immediately after coining the term, also using emotional labor to describe unpaid household work! This is part of the term since its inception!
Around 2015 the term gained a lot of popularity and began to be more broadly applied. Some things that are, according to Hochschild, NOT emotional labor include:
Doing physical chores around the house
Doing mental chores like remembering birthdays
Hochschild: "if we talk about all the unpaid labor women do in the home as âemotional labor,â weâre insinuating that any kind of labor that falls most often to a woman is âemotional.â Like chores are just labor. Writing Christmas cards is just labor."
Also not emotional labour:
Expressing genuine emotions that you feel
Doing things that make other people feel better
Hochschild emphasizes that doing things to positively impact other people's emotions isn't 'emotional labor'. Managing and suppressing your own emotions is. That's where the alienation that is central to emotional labor comes in: it's alienation from your own feelings.
It's also essential that there must be an expectation on the person to do this. Hiding your real feelings by choice isn't emotional labor.
As with emotional labor in the workplace, non-caring emotions and suppression of emotions typically expected of men are included. So when a wife expects her husband to suppress his pain and not cry in front of the children, that is an example of emotional labor.
So to summarize, emotional labor according to Hochschild doesn't have to always be paid labor, but it does always involve:
The management of your own emotions
Alienation from your real emotions, as a result of being forced to perform other emotions.
Pressure/expectation, there are negative consequences if you don't do the performance.
There is a system, (the workplace, genderroles, etc) shaping these expectations, putting specific expectations on categories of people.
Finally, Hochschild never said that emotional labor shouldn't exist or that it doesn't have a function. In the workplace and out of it, emotional labor can achieve important things.
The nurse that uplifts the patient and the parent that comfort their child might both be hiding their real feelings and that itself is not bad. The problem is the pressure to do this labor when you dont want to, the lack of acknowledgement of this labour and Ăłf its potential for alienation, and the division of this labour according to gendered expectations.
Old meaning: Being forced to mask your emotions as part of a job.
Later meaning: A woman being forced to take on all the care for everyone's emotional needs in her family.
New meaning: Giving any emotional support to anyone, which no one should ever expect you to do or else they're abusing you.
"Gaslighting"
Old meaning: Manipulating a person so they doubt their own perceptions â a much more abusive tactic than mere lying.
New meaning: Lying. Just lying, because saying anything that isn't true equals psychological abuse.
"Not Like Other Girls"
Old meaning: "You're not like other girls" â men trying to flatter the women they like by putting down other women.
New meaning: "I'm not like other girls" â gender-nonconforming women, or women who in any way "don't fit in," thinking they're better than feminine women or otherwise "normal" women â which we can accuse them of as a way to put them down yet still sound progressive.
"Pick-Me Girl"
Old meaning: A woman or girl who tries to appeal to men by performing "perfect" femininity and putting down other women who don't conform to gender expectations.
New meaning: A woman or girl who tries to appeal to men by performing masculinity and putting down feminine women â "Not Like Other Girls" but specifically to attract men â which again, we can accuse any gender-nonconforming female of doing as a way to put her down yet still sound progressive.
Girlboss
Old meaning: A positive term for a successful businesswoman.
Later meaning: An insult aimed at ruthless businesswomen who use "feminism" as an excuse to stomp on other people.
New meaning: An insult aimed at any strong, assertive, or powerful female, whose very existence is disparaged for being anti-femininity.
I'm sure there are plenty of other phrases with definitions that have changed in less-than-ideal ways over time.
I just went back to the two chapters of Pride and Prejudice directly after Wickham tells his lies to Elizabeth â Chapter 17, where she talks with Jane about it, and Chapter 18, the Netherfield Ball â because I was reminded of the fact that within those chapters, Elizabeth gets advice about Wickham and Darcy by three other young women. First Jane, who is reluctant to believe the worst of Darcy; then Charlotte, who encourages Elizabeth to dance with Darcy and urges her not to be led away from him by her preference for Wickham; and finally Caroline Bingley, who plainly tells her that Wickham is a scoundrel who did Darcy wrong, not vice-versa.
All three of their viewpoints turn out to be right, but all three are "right for the wrong reasons." Jane wants to think well of Darcy because she wants to think well of everyone, and she doesn't suspect that Wickham is lying, but thinks he must be mistaken about Darcy's actions, because she wants to think well of Wickham too. Charlotte is only being pragmatic and thinking of Darcy's status and wealth, not his character. And Caroline ends her speech about Wickham's villainy with blatant classism, by adding that of course it's to be expected from a man of such low birth.
In the post I recently reblogged defending Elizabeth from Austen fans who accuse her of so many wrongdoings, one of the arguments was against the idea that she should have listened to Jane and Caroline, because between Jane's naĂŻve idealism and Caroline's snobbery, their opinions at that point really do ring hollow.
Except now, having reread those chapters, I'm not sure if I fully agree. Amid Jane's simple idealism, she does make one sound argument: that Bingley, a man whom they know is genuinely kind and decent, is Darcy's close friend. Maybe Elizabeth should have more strongly considered that fact instead of deciding so easily that Bingley must be deceived by Darcy. Indeed, after Darcy's letter, she does realize that his friendship with Bingley would make no sense if he were really the monster Wickham painted him as. And everything Caroline says about Wickham and Darcy's history turns out to be true: she just puts her own classist spin on the story at the very end.
I suppose this shows the cleverness of Austen's writing. If Jane, Charlotte, and Caroline were to give Elizabeth unquestionably good advice, but Elizabeth still ignored them, Elizabeth would seem less smart and be harder to sympathize with. But because their advice has obvious flaws, both Elizabeth and first-time readers have good reason to disregard it. Yet they still turn out to have been right about Darcy while Elizabeth was deceived.
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i canât get over how crazy much ado is sometimes. it feels like a deconstruction of shakespeareâs other comedies when you look at how quick and lovesick and beautiful hero and claudio are and how well they fit the script of just classic young lovers, things like how hero is one of the only characters to speak in verse, the way claudio praises her to all his friends etc. and then how in the middle of the play the script is completely flipped. now hero is in danger because of what claudio believes and no one can help her. and suddenly the love story shatters because the same willingness claudio has to fall in love with her at first sight is the same willingness he has to believe a baseless accusation and the love story starts to descend into horror because thereâs no legal course of action hero can appeal to her and her own father insults and disowns her at her wedding and sheâs quite literally left for dead fainting on the ground with her father saying let her die, what is it to me? itâs insane because like 30 minutes before itâs just a happy comedy love story but shakespeare shows a real darkness to the genre because claudio may think he loves her but when it comes down to it he will never trust her. her word isnât good enough. no one is going to listen to the woman
Yet some people cite Much Ado as the quintessential "light and frothy" Shakespeare comedy, in contrast to the ones that have dark undertones. Which alternate universe version of the play they read I don't know!
Looking back over some of their scenes together in Wuthering Heights, Iâve become increasingly fascinated by Nellyâs relationship with Heathcliff. They have very different values and have treated each other quite, uh, badly at times, but I wanted to focus here on the more weirdly positive side of their dynamic. Ever since childhood, Heathcliff seems to have had a certain fondness for and trust in Nelly as a confidante. And as much as her traditional values are at odds with his and Cathyâs, I think that Nelly is a lot more like Heathcliff than sheâd like to admit. Iâm guessing this has something to do with their uncomplaining attitudes; the two of them put up with considerable mistreatment from Hindley, and while Nelly would never seek revenge, she seems to share Heathcliffâs disdain for people who arenât so stoicâyoung Edgar, for instance, and Linton especially. Itâs fitting that Nelly was initially endeared to Heathcliff through his silent forbearance of the measles, given that both of them later have extremely callous things to say about Linton, who bears his own illness with constant complaints.
Nelly seems to be one of few people whom Heathcliff actually âlikes,â in his way; it feels significant, at least, that she and Hareton are the ones he wants at his funeral. What toughness appeals to him in Hareton likely appeals to him in Nelly as well. But Nelly is also someone to whom Heathcliff can divulge his own vulnerabilities, and it seems that much of their relationship can be drawn back to and encapsulated by that occasion of Heathcliffâs childhood sickness. Itâs hard to judge the truth of everything Nelly reports as narrator, but if we accept her claim that young Heathcliff âfelt I did a good deal for him, and he hadnât the wit to guess that I was compelled to do it,â this could inform a lot of his attitude towards her at other points. (Iâm also feeling some echoes here of Haretonâs view of Heathcliff, but we wonât go off on that tangent.) He does refuse Nellyâs company sometimes, but at others, he seems as desirous of it as the sick boy needing her at his bedside. For all his detachment and valued self-sufficiency, perhaps Heathcliff still feels the vague need for a mother figure; Mrs. Earnshaw refused to fulfill this, and what became of his biological mother is a mystery. Nelly was there when Heathcliff was a vulnerable child, and there is something binding in that shared memory. There were a few moments, in rereading, where I could imagine Heathcliff as the unruly and flippant grown son to Nelly, as the chiding and eye-rolling motherâfor instance, the interaction where Heathcliff asks Nelly if he used to look as stupid as Hareton when he was little. (Though, interestingly, both Heathcliff and Nelly have acted as parental figures to Hareton.)
For her own part, Nelly seems to feel an (often self-important) urge to mother, in her way, no matter how fruitlessâor opposed to her own valuesâher efforts may be. Against her masterâs orders, she stays up at night to watch for Cathy and Heathcliffâs return to the Heights and let them in. Nor is her aiding of Heathcliff restricted to his childhood; there seems something about him which thrusts Nelly into contradiction with herself throughout her life. On certain occasions she has gone against Edgarâs wishes or social convention in the interest of Heathcliffâs scandalous relationship with Cathy, despite her disapproval of it. Ultimately, she does attend his funeral and goes forward with his demand to be buried next to Cathy, âto the scandal of the whole neighborhood.â And perhaps this event was prefigured by Nellyâs discovering Heathcliffâs hair in the dead Cathyâs locket, and instead of throwing it out, simply intertwining it with Edgarâs.
Thereâs more could be said, but also more that I havenât worked out, and Iâve rambled on enough already. For now, have the silly drawings. Iâve had a lot of fun with these, as usual.
Turns out he didn't need to beat Edgar's assâjust throwing applesauce at him was enough to send the house into chaos.
A minor detail in Cathy's dialogue, but one I really enjoy:
Somehow Nelly has said meaner things about this kid than Heathcliff has:
I feel bad for Hareton but I really enjoy this dynamic:
One of many moments I enjoy in the currant confrontation scene:
In my animal design scheme, Nelly is depicted as a cow. (Somehow that felt right for the name.) As a rural domestic, it was natural that she be some sort of farm animal; this also makes her a fitting housemate for Joseph the donkey, Wuthering Heightsâ other longtime servant. Neither are designed as purebreds, and their species are larger and stronger than the other domestic herbivores Iâve featured, the sheep and rabbits representing the Lintons, who are much milder and not accustomed to manual labor. Cows, of course, are also associated with milkâlending well to Nellyâs role as nurseâand motherhood; as mentioned, Nelly acts at various points as mother figure to several characters, especially since Heathcliff, Hareton, and the Cathys lose their biological mothers at an early age.Â
Nellyâs fur is both brown and white, reflecting her close relationships with both the Earnshaw and Linton families. Her facial pattern has also ended up looking a bit like Cathy and Hindleyâs fatherâs (design to be posted later); perhaps something of his strict parenting approach was passed on to her. Iâve lately been working on designs for the Earnshaw and Linton parents, and have a few other art pieces in the works as well. So, thanks for looking through, and stay tuned!
I've been thinking again about how hung up the online Disney fandom gets about Aladdin being a "compulsive liar" (which he's not).
Lying about his identity isn't even the worst thing Aladdin ever does. The worst thing he does in the movie is going back on his promise to the Genie and refusing to set him free. Yet I've never seen online fans cite that incident when they call Aladdin "toxic" and say he "doesn't deserve a happy ending." Oh no, it's just that "He lies to Jasmine."
If the truth about Aladdin's identity hadn't been revealed, Jasmine would have just had a husband who wasn't really a prince. If Aladdin hadn't decided in the end to set the Genie free after all, he would have been a slave for possibly all eternity. But of course it's no big deal for a male character to wrong another male, even if the harm is substantially bigger than anything he does to a woman. It's only when a man wrongs a woman that they come after him!
Obviously Alanna and Kel face vastly different challenges in pretending to be a boy vs. openly training as a girl, but what I find even more interesting is the difference in their motivations. Alanna became a knight because she didn't want to become a lady. She wanted Glory and Adventure and Grand Heroism, but in a remote and almost abstract sense.
Which is cool. But Kel became a knight because she really wanted to be a knight, with all the day-to-day drudgery that entails. I mean, look at Squire: she spends most of that book head to toe in mud helping poor people in crisis and she loves it and I think that's kind of amazing.
I have slightly mixed feelings about Kel. I think she's a great character, possibly Pierce's most interesting and most admirable heroine, and I know I would like her very much if I knew her in person. But I feel almost personally shamed by her ironclad stoicism, and by the way the narrative seems to admire her for how well she controls and masks her emotions â I have AuDHD, emotional dysregulation is the bane of my life, and I would give anything to always keep a cool head and have a poker face like Kel's, but I know I'll never be like her. That fact makes her books hard to enjoy at times.
But one thing I wholeheartedly love about her: the fact that her motive for wanting to be a knight is to protect others. I love Alanna, and she does of course learn what it means to be a true knight, not just an adventure-seeker, but there's no denying that her early motives for seeking knighthood are self-focused and immature. But Kel thinks from the beginning of the work knights do and why they do it, and her motive all along is to do that work to help others. That's wonderful.
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I've been thinking about a post from some time ago, about Wicked and The Wizard of Oz, and how maybe Wicked could also be Dorothy's dream, but in the canon of the Royal Shakespeare Company stage version of The Wizard of Oz, not the movie.
Now of course I don't really think they fit together. In the world of Wicked, Oz is real, and the RSC Wizard of Oz is a separate entity. But if you wanted to imagine that Wicked was also Dorothy's dream, then Kansas scenes a little more like the RSC script would be fitting.
In the RSC Wizard of Oz, the roles of Auntie Em and Glinda are written to be played by the same actress. This is foreshadowed when Auntie Em tells Dorothy that they couldn't go against the sheriff's order to let Miss Gulch take Toto: "What did you expect me to do? Wave a wand and make it disappear?" Also, unlike in the movie, the three farmhands (counterparts to the Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion) are also present during the scene with Miss Gulch, and in fact Hickory (the Tin Man's counterpart) stops Toto from escaping. Then after Miss Gulch leaves, there's an added scene where Dorothy angrily lashes out, first at Auntie Em, then at each of the farmhands, telling Hickory in particular that he's the worst of all and that she hates him. (To which he responds that she's breaking his heart â foreshadowing.)
So wouldn't it make sense for this version of Dorothy to dream Wicked? Glinda corresponds to Auntie Em, which explains why she chooses popularity, conformity, and following the Wizard over doing what's right â yet at the same time she sincerely loves Elphaba and redeems herself in the end, because even though Dorothy is mad at her aunt, she still loves her. Since she's also mad at the farmhands, this explains why Fiyero, Boq, and Brrr are all decidedly more flawed than the original Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Cowardly Lion, and because she's especially mad at Hickory, Boq comes across as the worst of the three. As for Miss Gulch, I think in this version she corresponds more to Nessarose than to Elphaba. The RSC version of Miss Gulch does more victim-playing when she comes for Toto than in the movie, and exaggerates the pain of the bite on her leg to milk for sympathy â hence Nessarose's wheelchair and the excessive pity she gets for it. Then who is Elphaba? Well, I think in this dream, Elphaba would represent Dorothy herself. The Dorothy who appears in Wicked is one aspect of her â the sweet, innocent little girl who just wants to go home â but Elphaba represents her deeper layers. Her feelings of being a misunderstood, unappreciated misfit, her longing for a better life (hence Elphaba's "Unlimited" motif that sounds like "Over the Rainbow"), her desperation to protect Toto (hence Elphaba's fight to save the Animals), and all her anger and longing to rebel.
Then again, I'm old enough remember the '90s national tour of the RSC Wizard of Oz, with Mickey Rooney as the Wizard and with a succession of different female celebrities (Roseanne Barr, Eartha Kitt, Liliane Montevecchi, and Jo Anne Worley) as the Witch of the West. As I mentioned in another post recently, this production had Miss Gulch wear an early 1900s bicycle suit with knickerbocker pants, which made her look more like a bold and brash "modern woman" (by 1900 standards) and less like a fussy old church lady than in the movie. Of course when Eartha Kitt played the role, she was also black, which would have made her stand out even more in a Kansas farm town of that era. So while she's still mean, maybe this version of Miss Gulch has a reason for her bitterness: i.e. that she's been shunned by the conservative farm community for being too different and too progressive.
And maybe Dorothy realizes this on some level, so in her dream, she combines her with her own pain and anger to create Elphaba.
Of course this is basically just a fanfic. The movie of the Wizard of Oz, the RSC stage version, and Wicked really are three separate canons. But these ideas are fun to play with.
When the heroine in classic literature becomes a teacher, I think it presents some inherent difficulty for modern readers. Because no matter how feminist the novel was or how empowered the heroine was by the standards of when it was written, a teacher can't entirely rebel against social norms. Her profession is to teach children how to be functioning adults in society, which naturally means reinforcing the rules they'll be expected to live by. To some extent or other, teaching children to conform to expectations is a part of her job.
I just watched Dr. Octavia Cox's video about the "contradiction" between the feminist themes of Jane Eyre, with Jane's journey of personal empowerment, and the theme of Jane-as-governess taming AdĂšle's excessive liveliness and teaching her to be docile and obedient. Now, some would argue that there's no contradiction at all: Jane doesn't teach AdĂšle to let the world trample on her, she just teaches her not to be flighty and spoiled. Still, I understand Cox's argument. But the fact is that the very role of a governess, besides teaching academic subjects, was to teach her students to be proper, respectable, well-mannered young girls, according to the standards of their time, place, and status. To an extent, enforcing conformity is what Jane was hired to do. A governess who encouraged a little girl to be wild and outspoken would have been fired.
Then there's the common complaint about the ending of Little Women and Jo's choice to start a school for boys. "Why boys?" modern feminist fans demand; they insist that it should have been a school for girls, whom Jo would teach to be strong and independent like herself. But unless I'm mistaken, in the 19th century, that never would have worked. If Jo had opened a school for girls, she would have been expected to teach them to be proper young ladies. If she failed to do this â which of course she would have â then the school would have closed. Running a boys' school is what lets Jo be herself and take part in the "boy's games and work and manners" she enjoys, while still fulfilling the nurturing domestic role that society expects of her as a woman.
Of course that doesn't mean those books aren't feminist or empowering to women and girls. But if you want 19th century fiction that feels entirely feminist by modern standards â if that were possible â a book where the heroine becomes a teacher is never an ideal choice.