T/ERFs really love it when transmascs and transfems hate each other.
They want transmascs to see trans women as if they constantly speak over us, as if they control the narrative, and as if itâs transfems who are at fault for our erasure. It makes it really, really easy for them to convince us that transfems are âsocialized maleâ and therefore love to speak over people & take the spotlight, holding âmale privilegeâ even within the trans community.
Likewise, they love it when transfems see transmascs as upholding the patriarchy by betraying womanhood, taking up too much space, and throwing them under the bus rather than fighting with them against the system that oppresses both of us. It makes it really easy to frame masculinity as a poison; something that, once embodied, will eventually corrupt you and make you An Oppressor.
Both of these narratives contribute to transphobia & T/ERF ideology. It splits us up, it makes us more likely to buy into T/ERF rhetoric (part of why there are to many trans T/ERFs), and it perpetuates both ideas; that men are âinherently evilâ and this is inescapable, that masculinity is is âinherently toxicâ and should be punished. Both of these ideas hurt all trans people- and cis people, too, of a lot of different marginalized communities.
There are people who fall for it, and itâs important for us to recognize that these are people who have been mislead while trying to find a sense of community, acceptance, and belonging that we all struggle to find- even within the queer community. These are folks who are hurting, and looking for someone to blame.
Trans people are uniquely isolated and ostracized. Transmascs in particular lack a sense of community, and lack support systems due to erasure. Transfems come under fire from all sides due to hypervisibility.
Buying into this idea that we ourselves are the cause of our own communityâs oppression & marginalization isnât helping anyone, and we need to start recognizing the dangerous thought patterns- and narratives- within ourselves and our communities. We need to realize who the actual oppressor is, and start showing each other some compassion and understanding.
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every transandrophobic argument ever said by other trans people, turns into a motte and bailey fallacy as soon as you engage with these people, it would be comedic if it wasnât so annoying
If all men are evil, trans women AND trans men count, as transfems (like me) "technically" used to be a "man". People's arguement of "trans people are fine, its trans men who are the problem" holds no fucking support because no matter what we are all trans anyways. What reward are trying to get for pushing gender norms like this? Trump's feet to sniff? You think he's gonna spare you? You traitor?
Treat EVERYONE with kindness, even the people you might see as a threat. But when push comes to shove, take no shit.
Stereotypes were made to divide us, not to unite us.
Not all men are evil people. There's million miles of proof.
Do not apply the evils of loud, pathetic chode ass men erode he opinion of your fellow man, who is just as in danger of prosecution as you.
Know love, dumbass. That's the point of this whole movement.
Like Iâm sorry but you cannot genuinely look at posts like this being so comfortably directed at us, much of the time without consequence, along with all of the real world things that are done to us, and then look me in the eye and tell me transandrophobia isnât real. Shut up.
Crazy that anyone ever gets emotions to the point that saying this feels appropriate. I have been severely abused by several people with bpd throughout my life and never once did i feel so hateful towards people with bpd that i wished them as a a group violence or death
Its almost as if people who treat you badly make these choices as individuals⌠and even if many people belonging to a group have done you wrong, it still will never be reflective of them all. Youre just transphobicđââď¸ they should at least be honest about it
People who support them say those are jokes, i have made jokes to my friends in the past that werent nice because i felt frustrated by some people, they never looked like this or came close to this. If your definition of a joke is saying someone should get hatecrimed.. work on urself!
For all that they accuse people of using terf talking points, this is the actual terf talking point!!! It's known as gender essentialism, the idea that people who belong to a specific gender are all the same. In this case, men are evil. It's usually paired with women being pure and innocent (except those traitors and pick mes, of course).
The plot was lost long ago, when we stopped thinking in terms of nuance and started thinking of bigots as one dimensional beings, but we can claw it back. We need to move towards compassion. See everyone as humans. And in doing so, learn how to spot the bigots and counter them effectively.
A lot of people fell for terf rhetoric because they couldn't recognize it. Always ask yourself: am I moving towards compassion or away from it?
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I've seen transmascs pushing this kind absolute nonsense as well and Oh it grinds my gears.
Ah yes, I have male privilege do I? If you saw my full body in public you'd think I was a butch lesbian because one of my most prominent features is the massive boobs I haven't been able to get rid of.
In order to have male privilege, there's a whole host of boxes you need to check off, and the majority of transmascs I've spoken with don't tick off enough of them to getting that privilege. Hell, I've met cis guys who don't actually get treated with any amount of privilege.
Now, if you wanna talk about... oh idk... white privilege? That one actually does affect All Sides of the trans community. But ffs leave your male privilege bs in the trash can guys. At this point I'm half convinced that a decent portion of posts like the one above (the image) are just rage bait.
OP this isn't directed at you btw, apologies if it came off that way.
So whats the woke opinion on male / female socialisation? Seems to be a big thing on both sides of the pro/anti trans spectrum. I want to know what the common opinion / view of these concepts is
please lmk if youre not trans and reply to this. idm seeing anyones opinion but im looking specifically for trans peopleâs perspective on thisđ
Your pronouns will not give you privileges, its decided by how youre perceived by the larger society (and whats your official gender on paper). A trans man who doesnât pass will not have male privilege, he will be perceived as either a butch women or a trans person, which will both result in his oppression based on misogyny or trans-misogyny. If a trans man passes but doesnât have his gender and name legally changed he will be outed and discriminated against in any setting which requires legal documents. This often can be dangerous given corruption in government forces especially police. Trans women are affected by the same things, them not passing and either being seen as a trans person or an effeminate man are both situations that arent uncommon. Same with a trans woman who is fully passing (perceived cis) but her gender / name not being changed on her legal documents.
Your privilege isnt stored in the gender or pronouns its based on social perception as well as factors such as race, health (disabled / neurodiversity ), class and perception of oneâs sexuality / identity. Especially trans men if they dont pass or are read as female for whatever reason are affected by misogyny and trans-misogyny just like trans women are if theyâre read as trans, effeminate men, transfeminine or (cis) women.
I have socially transitioned at 17 and started medical transitioning at 19. I didnt start to pass consistently until 21. Anyone who thinks i had any sort of male privilege during that time is chronically online and hasnt lived in the real world enough.
Of course there are some trans people who figure out theyre trans very early and then have access to medical intervention before or early during puberty, but that isnt the majority nor reflects the experience of most people. Telling young trans men to stop talking over anyone more oppressed because of their privilege will never be helpful and the ones that will internalise it are those young people early in their transition, new to the community. The ones who it doesnât apply to. People are allowed to talk about their experiences and their life without anyone needing to feel as if it takes anything away from theirs. Its normal that we all have made different experiences, this doesnât mean any of them is more valid than the other. Demonising any group under the trans umbrella will never help nor will it lead to more safety / less oppression.
The only trans lesbians are transfem lesbians. TME non-women aren't lesbians. If they are then gay men and straight people might as well be lesbians too.
transmasc lesbians have existed since long before you were born and will continue to exist long after you die.
you can be as mad about it as you want, you can call it something else, you can build your entire personality around how icky it makes you feel, but this is simply others lived reality and you donât get to just decide it isnât.
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Because I was now a man, I could not speak about what it was like to be a woman. Because I had been a woman, I could never really speak about what it was like to be a man. Do the math: I could not speak. It was a double erasure, a double bind, in which every experience I had was false, and so nothing I said was credible. I could no longer derive authority from my experiences before transition, and shouldnât even cite them â I had never âreallyâ been a woman, so those things hadnât happened â but those experiences could always be weaponized against me to prove I wasnât âreallyâ the man I claimed to be.
They call it erasure, when this happens. I wasnât prepared for how literal the term was. Every day, I could feel myself disappear.
â Eraserhead: On writer's block and being a gender traitor by Jude Doyle
There are many good paragraphs but this stuck out the most:
"If âmanâ and âwomanâ are opposed and mutually exclusive categories, if men can only ever be predators and women can only ever be prey, then trans men canât exist. We are logically impossible under the terms of the current system. You either âtreat us like menâ by voiding out half our lives, or you write us back into womanhood by denying our male identities. I knew all that, at least in theory, but when I came out, I actually saw my life story disappearing into other peopleâs blind spots. I watched myself become unthinkable in real time."
Also these:
"This wasnât about accountability. This was people tactically forgetting my entire life,including incidents from my life they had personally witnessed or been involved in, so that they could shame me for transitioning. It was bad for me to be a man; if I was a man, I was a bad man, I was all the worst things men are. I was hulking, I was threatening, I was predatory, I was violent."
"I was treated as both genders, but only the most monstrous stereotype of each one."
Because that is exactly it. Anti-transmasculinity is being both erased and vilified, and then gaslit out of speaking about those experiences by the people who are erasing and vilifying you.
"The idea that I had always occupied a privileged position within patriarchy was, frankly, untrue; nor did it seem to me that a trans person was any less gender-marginalized than your average cis woman. What privilege I had was conditional, and these books were no guide. Men who wanted to âforge a positive masculinityâ (and everyone was very clear that I needed one of those) were encouraged to get in touch with their âfeminine sides.â Maybe that was healthy for cis guys, but I had been forced to do feminine things, and present in feminine ways, for the entirety of my young life. Whatever liberation I had achieved came from giving myself permission to stop."
As did the ending:
"When I write these days, I try to remind myself that whatever Iâm afraid of saying is already true, and denial will not change it. I remind myself that the wrong people benefit from my silence, and will use it to write a version of my life I canât recognize, or just write me out of the world. There is no established story or role for me; I belong to a category the world is still learning to imagine. I cannot account for the world as other people imagine it. I cannot give you every manâs story, every trans manâs story, every trans personâs story; I don't know them. What I do know is that every new story helps map the territory. All I can do for you, from where I'm standing, is tell you how things are."Â
People have this image of non binary people in their mind as quirky cis or binary trans people who have "spicy pronouns" instead of a legitimate categorisation of gender, and it pisses me off.
They don't even think medical transition for non binary people even exist. And that pisses me off even more.
#prev: not replying to you just adding onto what you said.#the real materialist argument is that sex is not binary because it just isn't. at best it is bimodal#but as someone who usually subscribes to materialist philosophy i don't even believe that#people are nonbinary because they just are .#and i don't feel the need to interrogate it further
needed to peer review these tags because what you said is so based and real. "people are nonbinary because they just are & i don't feel the need to interrogate it further" is EXACTLY how i feel.
we exist. it can be clearly observed. "why are people nonbinary" is an interesting question to ask only as much as "can two people ever truly see the same color."
seeing more people use enben makes me so happy. take me hand lets use enban to refer to a singular nonbinary person and enben to refer to multiple nonbinary people (in addition to not in replacement of person and people). lets take nonbinary-gendered language seriously and not just gender-neutral language. but also use more gender neutral language too
i don't generally want to address queer issues directly on this blog because i just like nerding out about theology, but i've seen a lot of terrible crap in the trans community lately and i don't really feel comfortable with my consciousness not saying anything, even if what i say is stupidly simple
as a trans woman i do not support the weird wave of transandrophobic nonsense going on right now and i want whatever transmascs that follow me - if any - to know that i love all of my trans brothers just as i love everyone (or try to)
Whatever deities or divine power created you, they made you perfectly. You are meant to be here, your body is natural and wonderful, and you are not a mistake.
Whether you be of a Native religion, Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Islamic, Bahai'i, Buddhist, Jainist, Hinduist, Sikhist, Confucianist, Toaist, Shintoist, Zoroastrian, Reconstructionist Pagan, Eclectic Pagan, Druidist, Wiccan, or something else not listed - you are glorious, you are marvelous, and it is a shame that humans have treated something natural about you as something alien or wrong.
You are blessed, regardless of whether you are on the chest variation spectrum, ambiguous genital/reproductive spectrum, the urethral variation spectrum, the penile variation spectrum, the agenital or areproductive spectrum, the split/duplicated genital/reproductive spectrum, the hormonal variation spectrum, and/or the chromosomal variation spectrum.
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LBQ+ people interviewed for this report repeatedly named gendered discrimination against masculine gender expressions in particular as the catalyst for a lifetime of economic marginalization, discrimination and harassment at work, psychological abuse, and physical and sexual violence. Their accounts point to the need for deeper research and analysis of how masculine gender expression by LBQ+ people increases their risk of exposure to various human rights violations and abuses. Some reports on violence against LBQ+ people (explored below) have treated gender expression as a signifier of sexual orientation or gender identity, limiting knowledge production on how presentations of masculinity are themselves policed and violated.
â â"Butches Get Punchedâ: Violence Against Masculine-Presenting LBQ+ Peopleâ in âThis Is Why We Become Activistsâ by the Human Rights Watch
Defining ATM:
Anti-transmasculinity refers to the systematic oppression of transmasculinity. âTransmasculinityâ refers to the concept of people seen as female having a masculine or manly gender or gender expression*. Other terms used for this are transandrophobia, transmisandry, and transmascphobia.
In 1963, feminist Betty Freidan described misogyny as âthe problem with no name,â illustrating how at the time, womenâs language to understand, describe and communicate their oppression was underdeveloped. Anti-transmasculinity has been, similarly, a problem with no name; transmasculine people have not had the language or framework to understand, describe, and communicate our oppression. Transmasculinity suffers from erasure, often called âinvisibilityâ. This does not protect transmasculine people from violence; it silences us to prevent us from speaking out against, or realizing, the violence done to us. It alienates us from our history, our brothers, siblings and sisters, and ourselves, by preventing transmasculinity from being seen, heard, discussed, or considered. For more posts of mine and others that help expand on the theory of anti-transmasculinity, see my #theory tag.
*This is not my definition of transmasculinity as an identity. This definition is for the form of transness targeted by transphobia, which is based around the idea of "female/woman trying to be male/a men." My definition of transmasculinity as an identity is any form of masculinity or manhood that is trans* in nature, regardless of presentation or assigned sex. I make this distinction because a GNC man assigned male could see his manhood as trans, but be targeted by transphobia based around the idea of a man trying to be a woman.
Who can be affected by ATM?:
Anyone can suffer from anti-transmasculinity, regardless of gender, sex or sexuality. Anti-transmasculine violence targets perceived transmasculinity, which means anyone perceived as transmasculine can be victimized. That is not the extent of how people are affected, though; people who perceive themselves to be transmasculine, consciously or unconsciously, or who have traits associated with transmasculinity can also be affected by witnessing anti-transmasculinity.
(TW: transphobic murder)
People who are associated with transmasculinity (such as partners, friends, and family of transmasculine people) can also be affected, not just through emotional pain but targeted for physical violence. As an example, Italian cis woman Maria Paola Gaglione was murdered by her brother to "teach her a lesson" after she got engaged to a trans man.
Who can be anti-transmasculine?:
Anyone can be anti-transmasculine, regardless of gender, sex, or sexuality. It is a systemic way of thinking that is spread throughout society and culture, and reproduces itself constantly in people's thoughts and actions.
Who benefits from anti-transmasculinity?:
In the grand scheme of things, everyone suffers from the restrictive nature of transphobia. However, in general, only cisgender, gender-conforming people systematically benefit from anti-transmasculinity. Other trans* people do not; trans* people do not systematically benefit from each otherâs oppression. Like all forms of gender oppression, anti-transmasculinity is fundamentally a tool of capitalism, imperialism, and white supremacy.
* *trans is a way of writing âtransâ that emphasizes it as a broad umbrella term inclusive of everyone who trangresses gender and sex norms
Is ATM caused by âmisandryâ?
In transunity theory, âmisandryâ is used to refer to the way that gender roles around manhood/masculinity are weaponized to harm marginalized people, (in this case) specifically trans* people; trans* people are viewed as having the worst traits of both masculinity and femininity, as well as the inherent negativity associated with androgyny. In this sense, anti-transmasculinity does involve misandry, as do anti-transfeminity* and exorsexism**. However, all of these also involve misogyny and misandrogyny***. Which one of these is more dominant varies between types of transphobia, as well as the individuals doing the violence and the ones experiencing it.
To quote this article, "Misandry [...] can never reliably be prevented from collapsing into transphobia."
*i use anti-transfemininity (ATF) as a companion to anti-transmasculinity, as an alternative to âtransmisogyny.â This is because, as I explain, my philosophy on transphobia is that all transphobias are inherently misogynistic and all trans* people experience the intersection of misogyny. Additionally, transunity theory frames transphobia as being the intersection of many forms of gendered bigotry, so using the âanti-â terms lets me talk about these transphobias without having to specify it by only one kind (like -misogyny or -androphobia)
** exorsexism refers to oppression of people who violate the gender or sex binaries; it includes intersexism, but also oppression against non-binary people.
*** misandrogyny is the hatred of/bigotry against androgyny, a companion to misogyny and misandry. âandrogynyâ here refers to anything outside the exclusive male/female binary; examples of misandrogyny are violence done when someone cannot tell someoneâs gender/sex, and the idea of nonbinary and genderqueer language as immature, annoying, and pointless, while binary language is considered mature, normal, and useful.
Evidence of ATM:
I have the tags #examples of transandrophobia and #experiences with transandrophobia; the first is posts showing transandrophobia in action, and the second is people describing the transandrophobia they have experienced or witnessed.
I also keep the Archive of Violence Against Trans*masculine People, which keeps a record of events of anti-transmasculine violence. This includes murder, rape, abuse, physical assault, harassment, and the suicides of transmasculine people. Also on this archive is a list of academic research & writing related to anti-transmasculinity; the studies provide more objective evidence of the systemic oppression transmasculine people face, and analyses which can help with understanding how anti-transmasculinity works.
You can also look at @transandrophobia-archive which collects examples of anti-transmasculine Tumblr posts.
Further Introductory Reading (updated 28/5/26):
Feminism Is For Everybody by bell hooks
Saint's definition of transandrophobia & relationship to anti-transmasculinity
Saint's explanation of the history of transandrophobia as a term
responding to 4 questions about transandrophobia by me
why transandrophobia isn't "just" transphobia or misogyny by me
there is no "transandrophobia community" by me
why "trans guys have it easier" is a folk myth by me
Masterpost of Transmasc Theory by kittenscratches (some overlap with here)
it really should be transfeminism 101 (cissexism in "transfeminism") by me, tildesee, and houseofpurplestars
Not transmasc invisibility, but erasure: intricacies of transmasc invisibility, and the fallacies of strictly gendered transphobia by S.L Void
"Affirmation" & Malgendering by penisbagelbites
how are we defining male privilege? by me
the data on transmasc economic vulnerability by cock-holliday
the patriarchy does not love men by me
anti-transmasculinity & exorsexism isn't feminist materialism, its just transphobia by me
The Transfeminist Manifesto by Emi Koyama
the problem with how tma/tme is used by me
Eraserhead: On writer's block and being a gender traitor by Jude Doyle
TERFs, Trans Mascs, and Two Steve Feminism: In which A Man has an Opinion about Feminism, with Mixed Results by Jude Doyle
the ideal feminist subject & how feminism fails us by me
Tracing A Ghostly Memory In My Throat: Reflections on Ftm Voice and Agency by C. Jacob Hale
The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by bell hooks
"I Am A Transwoman. I Am In The Closet. I Am Not Coming Out." by Jennifer Coates
the trans community has never reckoned with exorsexism by me
"As a transfem, what's your insight on the way transmascs are treated when talking about their experiences?" by cipheramnesia
âIrl we just kissâ: âtransmasc vs transfemâ discourse & reactionary âboys vs girlsâ politics in trans spaces by S.L Void
Making Sense Out of the Murders of Trans Men by Mitch Kellaway
Collateral Damage: mathematical odds & the sum of survival. by S.L Void
Op-ed: Trans Men Experience Far More Violence Than Most People Assume by Loree Cook-Daniels
How the Criminalization of Testosterone Attacks Gender Variant People by Adryan Corcione
A Tale of a Trans Man in Pakistan by Ikra Javed
Girlboy Boygirl Blues: antitransmasculinity as a denial of individual history & more by S.L Void
Invisible Men: FTMs and Homelessness in Toronto by the FTM Safer Shelter Project Research Team
a brief history of the sexualization & whorification of FTM crossdressing by me
a brief history of transmasculine people being imprisoned and institutionalized by me
Penises, Privilege, and Feminist & LGBTQ+ Purity Politics by Julia Serano
Killing and Transforming the Dominant Man by the Andrea Wolf Institute of the JineolojĂŽ Academy in Rojava
The "3 ups" provided by Lou Sullivan's FTM Newsletter back in the 90s.
Info on Me:
Originally this blog was just made for me to process and deal with my own internalized anti-transmasculinity, but then people liked what I wrote and now its a place where I talk about queer issues & related things I find important.
Iâm multiply disabled (both physically and mentally) and I struggle with answering asks; if I donât answer you for a while feel free to just send your ask again, I will not mind. Also feel free to ask me to explain anything in plain language if you have difficulty understanding something. I donât mind educating people or helping people find resources, as long as you are respectful and are in good faith and all that.
I am going into sociology with a focus on religion, and run @transtheology where I collect posts on trans-affirming spirituality and religion. If you have any questions or want advice related to transness and spirituality/religion (or madness & spirituality/religion) Iâd love to help you the best I can. I also run @standwithdaanes & post more general political content there, focused on democratic confederalism.
I am fucking BEGGING transmascs (and everyone else) to not let the animosity of a VERY SMALL GROUP of very online transfems impact how you interact with transfems or think about transfems.
please, please, please remember that this "hating transmascs" and "kill all TMEs" bullshit is just a few edgy weirdos on the internet who enjoy saying inflammatory things for shock value.
transfems are not your enemy, and YES, you do actually need to unlearn transmisogyny. Not because you're transmasc, but because we live in a transmisogynistic society.
transfems are not a hivemind, there's no broader transfem consensus that transmascs are Evil Privileged Abusers, but the small group of people who think that way WANT you to believe that they are representative of trans women everywhere. they're super not. they really are just a handful of angsty people online looking for someone to pick on.
all trans people have more commonalities than differences. there aren't two distinct species of trans people from two different planets, there are just trans people with a wide diversity of experiences and walks of life. we are all affected by the same systems of oppression.
find community and mutual support with transfems. build solidarity and have conversations about how we can help each other. the only way we all get through this shit is together.
