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"What I wanted, how I felt about what I was doing, it never mattered."
A little render project I used to take my mind off things and play around in Blender. Working with Astarion is always so much fun, he's such a complex guy with an incredible story.
From time to time I see people claiming that even before his enslavement, Astarion was a corrupt, morally bankrupt magistrate, and the Ascension just gives him the freedom to stop pretending. The alternative spin on this idea goes: "If Ascended Astarion is an abuser, then Spawn Astarion is one too. He just lacks the power to show it. You can't fix an abuser in a couple of months; anything else is just a fairytale."
This take is often passed off as mature or realistic, but actually, it completely misses the core themes of Astarion's story: his fight for freedom and personal agency while dealing with trauma, mistrust, and fear.
At the start of the game, we meet Astarion right after he's been pulled out of an awful environment defined by violence, fear, and forced obedience, leaving his moral compass heavily distorted.
The game doesn't frame his Act 1 manipulation as the actions of an irredeemable villain. Instead, the narrative makes it clear: these are survival responses, not proof that he's innately malicious or cruel.
At first, his craving for control is reactive. He grabs onto any tool he can find, from devouring tadpoles to seeking control over the cult, but shows no calculated, long-term strategy right up until the Ritual comes into the picture. When you're used to being used, you learn to use others first, as a preemptive strike. He's not acting from a position of power; he's desperately trying to carve out any sense of safety. Trying to paint this behavior as proof of his "abusive nature" completely ignores just how deeply rooted it is in fear and survival.Â
After being kidnapped by the mind flayers, Astarion finds himself in a reality where the rules he's known for centuries no longer apply. For the first time in two hundred years, mistakes aren't punished with pain, and vulnerability isn't weaponized against him. So, he tests the Player's trust and waits for the inevitable betrayal. He meets kindness with cynicism. He repeatedly falls back on manipulation because itâs the only working tool in his arsenal. But, crucially, he begins to question these instincts instead of treating them as an absolute given.
When he reaches for Ascension after defeating Cazador, it isn't presented as a calculated or emotionally detached choice. It's a trauma response, triggered by peak stress and being face-to-face with his abuser.
His brain defaults to the one survival logic it's ever known: "Become a monster so you never have to be the victim again." That's why, without outside support (that dice roll), he's simply incapable of breaking the cycle on his own. Not because he's "evil" (Astarion isn't good or innocent, and he's fully capable of cruelty and harm) but because right then, he is deeply traumatized and terrified for his life.
This distinction becomes especially clear in how he formulates his own identity:
Spawn Path:
"I can be better than him."
This is a forward-looking statement that implies change.
Ascension Path:
"I'm better than he was. Stronger⌠I'm who I always wanted to be."
Here, "better" only means "stronger." He doesn't transcend his trauma; he fixes it in place as the foundation of his identity.
Even his official Origin description frames his motivation not as a thirst for power, but as a desperate bid for safety:
The key word here is not power, but liberty. Power is presented as a means to an end, a shield built out of survival instinct. And the developers themselves confirm this:
Lead writer Adam Smith: "So with Astarion, his evil ending is actually him...much of what he does is out of fear. And as a player, you can say to him, "You're right to be afraid." And that sends him to a really horrible place, and that I think is really powerful."
IGN Interview, 2023
The choice is framed through fear, not as the exposure of some immutable inner evil nature.
Some point to gameplay mechanics, arguing that since persuading Astarion to step back requires a Persuasion check, it proves his "true" desire is Ascension, and the player is just forcing him to change his mind. But this is a complete misunderstanding of how trauma works under extreme stress. In that moment, Astarion is clearly not thinking rationally. He is standing over the freshly defeated Cazador, surrounded by direct triggers of his two-century nightmare, overwhelmed by fear, rage, and the intoxicating proximity of absolute power.
Narrator: "You can see the fear in his eyes, but also the hunger. The thick smell of blood in the air and promise of power being so close is intoxicating to him. All he can see is the power of ritual, and the freedom that power brings. The freedom to do anything - to be anything."
The Persuasion roll isn't about crushing his agency; it's an attempt to cut through the blinding noise of his panic and pull him back to reality. It's what it takes to ground someone in the middle of a panic attack, helping him look past that instant fight-or-flight reflex (Become the monster), giving him a moment to catch his breath and make a conscious choice. If you donât step in, he defaults back into the cycle of abuseânot because he dreams of being Cazador, but because fear has completely locked him out of seeing any alternative.
Ascended Astarion is not just "Astarion with power." To say that "Ascension doesn't turn him into something twisted, but simply reveals who he always was" ignores the very nature of what takes place. As Raphael himself explains to Astarion, the ritual is an ancient, diabolical transaction:
"As you know already, your precious skin is home to one part of a contract between the archdevil Mephistopheles, and your former master, Cazador Szarr. In full, the contract states that Cazador will be granted knowledge of an infernal ritual so vile it has never been performed. The Rite of Profane Ascension. It promises to be a marvellous ceremony. Very elaborate, incredibly ancient, and very diabolical. If he completes the rite, he will become a new kind of being - the Vampire Ascendant. All the strengths of his vampire form will be amplified, and alongside them he will enjoy the luxuries of the living. The arousals and appetites of man will return to him, and unlike Astarion, he will have no need of a parasite to protect him from the sun. But the ritual has its price, as all worthwhile things do. Lord Cazador will need to sacrifice a number of souls, including all of his vampire spawn, if he is to ascend. Imagine how he felt, then, when one of those precious spawn simply disappeared into thin air. The only missing ingredient is Astarion. You are the final piece he requires to complete the ritual - your scars bind you to it. Your soul will set off a very wave of death, bringing Cazador his twisted life."
Part of the fandom loves to hyper-fixate on the romantic elements of this bargain: the fact that Astarion can finally walk in the sun, feel his heart beat, and enjoy human appetites again. But framing the Black Mass as a wholesome act of self-actualization completely white-washes the horror of the scene. You cannot build a healthy identity on the literal slaughter of 7,000 souls.
The ritual doesn't "let Astarion be himself," it forces him to actively perpetrate an act of ultimate cruelty, transforming his trauma into a weapon. The human luxuries he regains are bought with mass murder, permanently cementing and amplifying a worldview built entirely on domination and fear.
Appealing to his "true nature" derived from his past as a magistrate overlooks how profoundly his identity was reshaped by two centuries of abuse and enslavement. Astarion literally doesn't even remember the color of his own eyes; his past has been erased by 200 years of slavery.
Granted, defenders of the "inherently corrupt" theory often point to the official Baldur's Gate 3 Artbook, which states: "Two hundred years ago, Astarion was a corrupt elite of Baldur's Gate with a taste for power and a hunger for eternal life."
This is a far cry from the radically dark alpha-concept mentioned in a 2020 interview, where he was depicted as a disgraced nobleman who literally fed prisoners to a vampire clan. A draft that was completely abandoned. But even when it comes to the artbook's milder description, fandom attempts to use it to paint Astarion as inherently "evil" fall short when confronted with what the creators themselves have said.
In fact, back in 2022, lead writer Stephen Rooney explicitly explained how his backstory functioned during development:
"He absolutely had a backstory, and he did from the very, very start. At the risk of being cheesy, like, you can't write a story where you tell where someone is going unless you know where they've been. So he has to have had that past to inform the person that he is now. The backstory kind of changes as the character changes. So the original backstory that we had for him is not necessarily still the valid backstory that I have in my head. We always try to be very, very aware of: this is where Astarion started when he was alive, this is what happened when he died and he was brought back, and then this was his experience as a vampire right up until the point where he's grabbed by the mind flayers and you meet him. So, you need to have that whole story so you can write a character that makes sense. Otherwise, his personality is going to be missing depth, essentially. If he's just all about biting necks and avoiding the sun or whatever else, he's not going to be an interesting character. He's going to feel like a cookie-cutter vampire. No yeah, we try to be very mindful of backstories."
Interview with Astarion's writer Stephen Rooney, Down by the River Mar 27, 2023 (Description: Writer behind Astarion, Stephen Rooney, fields questions posed to him by the Down By The River community. Watch to see what we learn as we probe the mind behind the vampire, and find out what he thinks of our fanatacism. The original interview was in early October 2022.)
The artbook captures production-era lore notes, but the final game established a stricter boundary. When Astarion's lead writer, Stephen Rooney, was directly asked on social media whether the "corrupt magistrate" backstory remains canon, he gently but clearly deferred to the game's actual script over external text, replying: "As for Astarion's canon backstory as a magistrate, all I can say is that that's what's in the game."
From this, we can draw a cautious but entirely logical conclusion: while the artbook hints at his pre-vampire lifestyle, the writers deliberately left any explicit details of his "corruption" outside the margins of the actual narrative. The developers consciously deprived us (and Astarion himself) of an unambiguous, villainous background in the final release. The only concrete trace of his past remaining in the game is a vague memory of how he, as a judge, passed a certain sentence, after which a band of Gur cornered and beat him within an inch of his life.
The narrative deliberately avoids disclosing the details: we do not know if this sentence was an act of corruption or, conversely, a lawful ruling that prompted retaliation from criminals. The game leaves this in a gray area, refusing to paint Astarion as either an innocent martyr or a definitive villain. Astarion does not have an explicitly "sinful" past in the release version that predetermines his cruelty. What we are given instead is a character fractured by trauma.
Therefore, his identity is something he is building in the present moment. On the Spawn path, he builds it on a foundation of healing and freedom; on the Ascension path, he builds it on fear and the internalization of his tormentor's worldview. This is not the "real" Astarion. This is the version of him that ultimately accepted Cazador's philosophy: that safety can only exist through domination and fear.
If Ascension were simply Astarion "becoming who he truly is," then his entire character arc collapses into fatalism, flattening a deeply complex story into just another boring, one-dimensional villain trope.
My previous posts:
Ascended Astarion as the "True Self" Is a Misreading of Neil Newbon's Words
Why Spawn Astarion Represents Freedom and Joy, According to Neil Newbon, and Why Ascended and Spawn Are Not the Same Character, but Different Realities Shaped by the Player
The Heartfelt Graveyard Scene: Is Spawn Astarion Really Lying? DevNotes.
Most of the discussion around the developer notes focuses on the scene where Ascended Astarion turns the player character into his vampire spawn. The graveyard scene, on the other hand, rarely seems to come up (or maybe I just haven't found those discussions). So I thought it'd be interesting to go through the graveyard cutscene script and the accompanying developer notes.
â âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą
Player and Astarion walking into graveyard. They stop as they reach their intended destination. "The graveyard is appropriately silent - there isn't a proverbial soul around".
Astarion walks up to a gravestone covered in ivy and filth. It's old, cracked, and neglected. His steps are thoughtful and with purpose.
Astarion bends over and reaches up and tears away the weeds. He straightens up once he's done, dusting off his hands as he does so.
Underneath, we can see the inscription:
"Astarion AncunĂn: 229 - 268 DR"
Rustle of leaves being jostled. Nocturnal sounds, crickets in the bushes.
Astarion: "Nearly two hundred years and I never came back. Not since the night I woke up down there. I had to punch a hole in the coffin and claw my way through six feet of dirt. Then when I finally broke the surface, retching up dirt and congealed blood, Cazador was waiting. From that day on I was his. Until today".
Tess: "You were never his. Whatever he had, he took by force."
Astarion:Â "Maybe, but he did take it. There's almost nothing left of the person I was. Just a name on a rock. For nearly two centuries I stalked the streets like a ghost while the person I was lay here, dead and buried. Now I need to figure out who I am. What I want."
Tess: "And what do you want?" Astarion: "You... I want you. You were by my side through all of this. Through bloodlust and pain and misery. You were patient. You cared. You trusted me when that was an objectively stupid thing to do. I feel safe with you. Seen. And whatever the future holds for me, I don't want to lose that."
Tess: "You won't. Whatever comes next, I've got you." Astarion:Â "Thank you. Well. I should probably fix this."
Looking at the inscription on his grave Astarion takes out Cazador's dagger and starts carving into the stone, although we can't see what he's carving.
Scraping of metal against stone as Astarion carves. Nocturnal sounds, crickets in the bushes.
Player stands back and watches. When he's done, the camera angle reverses and we see he's roughly cut a new inscription into the stone. Below his date of birth is a new date - the current year.
The inscription now reads "Astarion AncunĂn: 468 DR - ..".
Astarion sits back, looking at his gravestone, saying nothing. He's in a moment of deep reflection. He remains in silent contemplation. (Note: Astarion is still kneeling down). Player stands back and watches. They understand this is a solemn moment.
Astarion is still kneeling down. He stares thoughtfully at his gravestone.
Player approaches Astarion and stops, standing to his right. They look at himâŚand then at the gravestone. Astarion stares at his grave, quietly contemplating his life/unlife. Then he says:
"I've been dead in the ground for long enough. It's time to try living again. With everything that life has to offer."
The player character kneels down to Astarion's right. They loosely place both hands onto their lap. Both of them are now kneeling.
Astarion shuffles his knees, turning right so that he's now facing the Player. Player shuffles and turns to the left to mirror him. Astarion leans over, reaches out to take both of Player's hand in his. He does so lovingly, tenderly⌠with a hint of seduction.
Astarion: "With everything that life has to offer."
Tess: Â "Meaning...?"
Astarion: "If a night of passion is on offer, I could be persuaded".
Tess: "Sounds good to me".
Astarion: "You know, I didn't care for you when we first met. But I do now. Being with you is about more than lust or manipulating you into a tactical alliance. I love you. I love this. And I want it all."
Astarion kisses the player character, taking them in his arms.
He stops kissing, then playfully pushes the player character so they fall backwards onto the ground. Astarion follows suitâŚ
...gets on top of the player character and continues kissing them.
Nocturnal sounds, crickets in the bushes.
Rustle of dry leaves and dirt as the lovebirds begin their passionate romp.
Fade to black. Sex sounds. (Note: Maybe camera pans up before fading to black with the dulcet symphony of sex).
The End
â âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą ââ âď¸ âą
Note: The developer notes include a lot of duplicated action descriptions. I've trimmed only the unnecessary duplicates while preserving the repeated ones that emphasize Astarion's emotional state after refusing the ritual and the way he interacts with Tav. I've also included the dialogue to provide the full context.
The scene also includes an interesting internal note/marker:
"ORI_Astarion_Event_BlackMassAftermathHadSexAsEquals"
And another fun little detail:
"Slightly horny. (ONLY SLIGHTLY, NEIL)"
And finally, a few of my own thoughts:
What I love about Spawn Astarion's ending is that, despite the painful consequences of his choice, Astarion accepts them because he knows it's the right thing to do. It feels realistic. It feels mature. Emotionally true. In return, he gains something far more valuable and meaningful â both through his personal growth and in his relationship with the one he loves.
At last, he has found someone he doesn't have to wear a mask around. Someone he can open up to, someone he can show his vulnerability and his pain to without being judged for how he truly feels. We all understand that after more than 200 years of slavery, even after finally escaping his abuser, he isn't going to start laughing and skipping around with joy. There is simply too much pain built up inside him after all those years, and it can't just disappear in an instant.
And I think it's wonderful when there's someone by his side who accepts that pain and has the strength to carry it with him. Yes, that takes emotional strength too. It really isn't easy.
And I honestly don't understand how, after such an emotional scene â when he lets you in where he has never let anyone before, into a place that hurts so, so much and is truly terrifying, when you hear that voice... I just don't understand how anyone can come to the conclusion that he is lying to Tav.
He is exactly the same here as he is in the moment when he confesses his feelings in Act 2. And he remains that way for us if he refuses the ritual. By "that way," I mean open and trusting.
If you'd like to examine this scene for yourself, you have two options:
1. Visit a website that provides a transcription of the scene exactly as it appears in the game files, without any modifications:
2. Use a dedicated tool to browse the game files yourself, just as I did. I followed the guide below, so credit and thanks to its author @Â roksik-dnd !
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Thank you! And happy BG3 Anniversary! đ ŕ˝ŕ˝˛ â^.ËŹËŹ.^â ŕ˝ŕž
P.S. It was my first time playing around with a camera mod today, so the screenshots aren't perfect, but I'm looking forward to getting better at it!
Itâs really disheartening how online bullying is so often dismissed and brushed off because itâs ânot real lifeâ. It is. It very much is and it has ramifications beyond what you see on your screen.
And itâs really sad to see online spaces crawling with bad faith actors and harassment while people on the sidelines applaud because violence and aggression are so rampant, that excusing it as âwe are just doing the right thing!â seems like a valid reason.
It isnât.
Even if you feel like youâve been hurt, that is no excuse to turn it into an opportunity to harass people for âshits and gigglesâ.
Do better.
Try your best to resolve things privately (even if you werenât granted that grace in the first place), because airing out everything and screaming âdeath!â from the rooftops isnât the cute little act you think it is, and people will eventually realise this and avoid you.
I so hate mean girl culture on the internet and I really don't get why creating cliques and bullying people out of fandom just because they dislike that one trope or dislike that one popular thing etc etc is so glorified.
People should just stay in their lanes and not cause any drama because they're bored.
Touch some grass people, bullying isn't cute.

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Why am I suddenly reminded of Elly from MissDrama in this post? Elly tried to take down a forum down because of one disagreement on feminism.
Remember, sheâs doing this victim complex OVER A FICTIONAL VAMPIREâS ROLE IN A VIDEO GAME.
Three years and we still canât disagree with each other because morons like her thinks everyone should enjoy Spawn Astarion.
Thatâs not how RPGs works. Thatâs not how D&D vampires work.
Fuh, going back to playing The Last Faith. 2D style PS5 game that is easier than Bloodborne and has free DLC this year.
-V
What does someone's personal story about being bullied have to do with this bizarre rant about taking down a forum? Where's the logic in that? What's hilarious is that her whole tambler presence is just her crying about how fed up she is with Spawn fans. Ha-ha. Thanks, now we know yet another person who supports bulling.
Some people love Astarion not just because he's a vampire, but because he's just Astarion. Being a vampire, an elf, or a rogue are all parts of who he is, but none of them define him completely. That's exactly what Neil says:
I think it's like, you know, the character is not defined by being a vampire any more than he's defined by being pansexual, any more than he's defined by being an elf. They are facets of his character. Stephen Rooney, the amazing writer. The setup of the classic Head Mystic vampire. And then to only to flip it. So when you start getting to know him, you actually see all this depth and all this complexity and and all this like vulnerability.So that was interesting to to explore that aspect. But I didn't really like make a vampire. I made a complete person who happened to be a vampire. You know, I think that's really important.
Source:
The game tells us that Astarion acts out of fear, and during the ritual it practically screams it at the player. Just as, throughout the story, it makes it clear that what he wants above all is freedom.
By the way, there's a really interesting Reddit post about this.
Here's the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/17ptlra/persuasion_and_astarion_choice_final_quest/?tl=ru Every choice comes with consequences. Ascended Astarion's ending is no more perfect than Spawn Astarion's ending; we simply differ in which consequences we're willing to accept as players. But in the end, the choice belongs to Astarion. For example, here's what writer Adam Smith has to say about Ascension:
What we tried to do was to make sure that you were always able to nudge them toward the better tendencies of themselves or the worst version of themselves.So with Astarion, his evil ending is actually him...much of what he does is out of fear. And as a player, you can say to him, "You're right to be afraid." And that sends him to a really horrible place, and that I think is really powerful.
From Karlach to The Emperor, Larian Studios reflects back on Baldur's Gate 3's long journey.
And the claim that "you're deciding for him" is just as absurd as complaining about Spawn fans constantly criticizing Ascension, only to turn around and post toxic nonsense about the other ending yourself. The irony is hard to miss.
"It's not a gimmick. He's not traumatised because it's 'just another idea for a character story' ⌠ this was a very fleshed out, deep, layered observation of a character in trouble and jeopardy, having gone through traumaâand then what they do to get out of that, and what they can do with their newfound sense of freedom, and what that means to them" â Neil.
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What it means to endure.
LOL
Itâs immediately obvious whoâs really running the show :)
Guys, I really hope all of this is just trolling. Because if people are actually being serious when they write things like this, if this is genuinely how they think and put their words together, it honestly scares me. The most hated person in the fandom, yeah, sure.
Meanwhile, Stephen Rooney, Astarion's writer:
Astarionâs backstory is all about relationship and power dynamics that are unequal as I say. So if, and I always see the path with spawn Astarion, as a choice that Astarion makes to break the cycle to choose to have a better relationship with people, a healthier relationship and to not continue kind of what he has been doing before. The path with ascended Astarion is very much the opposite of that.
Source:
Baldur's Herald presents an exclusive interview with Stephen Rooney, the writer behind Astarion from Baldur's Gate 3.In this video, we talke
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He'll find a way to walk under the sun and turn into a curly-haired bat. My lovely bat.
My favorite Astarion faces from his post graveyard chat â¤ď¸ he's got so many soft looks and adorable fangy smiles in this interaction, and the way he continuously flips into bambi eyes or sultry looks as he speaks to his person, just love it!
Like this illegal look, SIR!
Just look at how proud he is in the last shot. That's the very last look you get as the conversation ends and he is just so beautifully proud your his â¤ď¸
Just love to see him smile. I am putting him through the wringer in like 7 fics right now so I need a lil fangy smile break.
A message to the Astarion fandom
Dear Astarion fans! Can we please take a step back and look at what's been happening in the tags lately?
If you see accounts whose main goal is to harass, target, or encourage dogpiling against other fans, please don't engage with them. Block them and move on.
The fandom exists because people want to celebrate characters they love through art, writing, edits, discussions, and creativity - not to be dragged into endless callout posts, personal vendettas, or manufactured drama.
Lately we've seen posts disguised as "neutral analysis" or "objective discussions" that are, in reality, little more than targeted harassment campaigns against members of the community. Before liking, reblogging, or endorsing that kind of content, please think carefully about what you're actually supporting - and whether that's the kind of community you want to help create.
We've also seen anonymous messages circulating with what are essentially "blacklists" of fans, encouraging people to block or target specific individuals. That is not normal. It crosses a line.
And to the one very persistent little spitz dog who keeps trying to drag the entire fandom into personal conflicts â please stop. Not every disagreement needs to become a fandom-wide crusade. Most people are here because they love Astarion, not because they want to participate in someone else's personal war.
And to the local space troll whose unhealthy obsession with other fans has gone way too far... maybe it's time to chill.
If you know, you know. Seven thousand reasons should be enough. This is supposed to be a fandom. Whether someone prefers Ascended Astarion, Spawn Astarion, or simply enjoys Baldur's Gate 3 shouldn't be an excuse for harassment, intimidation, or attempts to pit fans against one another.
Disagree with people's interpretations if you want. Discuss the writing. Debate the lore. But do not normalize harassment campaigns, blacklists, or attempts to publicly shame people for enjoying fictional content. We've already crossed the point where this stopped being "fandom drama." This is becoming targeted harassment, and it has no place in this community.
This path is self-destructive. Building your life around hatred and an unhealthy obsession with other fans will never lead anywhere good.
Let's put the focus back where it belongs: on creativity, friendship, and our shared love for Astarion.
@ancunin_l
Bullies play the victims
Just so we're clear, the "dog" insult was directed at me simply because I dared to speak out about the harassment of a local blogger @oonalovesastarionssimpleplan whose opinion about the character doesn't match theirs. He's far from the first BG3 fan or content creator they've targeted. This is the very post:
đŹ 6  đ 4  â¤ď¸ 11 ¡ Another wave of attacks from toxic Ascended Astarion fans that we need to talk about. ¡ @oonalovesastarionssimpleplan cr
What do you think the purpose of this post from a brand-new fake account was? It looks reasonable at first glance, but it's clearly meant to shape people's opinion of me. The same people from the same private group keep liking and reblogging these postsâpeople who routinely target anyone who disagrees with them or speaks publicly about their behavior. To them, "stop harassment" really means "stop interfering with our harassment. So, let's take a look at who liked this post.
For example, this very post was liked by someone who took part in the harassment of that blogger. But there are others.
It's the same group of people coordinating attacks against others; who harass anyone whose content or opinions they don't like. Among them is someone who personally argued with me, resorted to personal attacks, and called everyone who prefers the Spawn ending mentally ill, narcissists, and worse.
The others simply support their "leaders." For example, just a few days ago, in addition to the post you reblogged, they created another fake account @mobfromcosmos specifically to harass someone.
At this point, almost every post there is about me. The post harassing the blogger has since been deleted, although everything was documented in my own postâthe one after which they began actively harassing me.
Apparently, saying they're "acting as though everyone who reaches a different conclusion is engaging with the game incorrectly" is already enough to become a target. So is helping prepare the interview with Astarion's writer, which revealed information they found inconvenient.
Many of them have large audiences, and they rely on outsiders taking these "peaceful" posts at face value. But what kind of peace is it when people can openly harass bloggers, yet no one is allowed to talk about that harassment?
The irony is that the very blogger I wanted to defend even reblogged this post, not realizing the hidden jab was aimed at me.
So let me ask: is talking about bullying now considered bullying? Or are we simply supposed to stay silent while people are being harassed?
I believe bullying should be talked about, called out, and stopped. People should know who is responsible and what they do.Because they can sound very reasonable. They can shout the loudest. They can even call themselves "paladins of light"âor, hilariously, sit in private groups with names like "The Sect" while discussing whose channel they'll mass-report next or whose post they'll swarm tomorrow.

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writers, instead of asking ai for help, you can always use your childhood trauma and repressed issues to help you with that fic
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The sect is working hard. Jeez.
Love will have its sacrifices. And no sacrifice without blood. đŤđŚ
Just another example of bullying coming from the toxic side of the AA community
Hold on... These pictures look awfully familiar. Oh!
Ok..
Now I'll show you my supposedly 'horrific and offensive' comment under the post of the author in question. And as you can see from the replies to the comment, people immediately jumped on me.
You can see the other examples by following the link.
You can read more about the discussion, where I analyze such attacks in detail, here:
đŹ 27  đ 5  â¤ď¸ 31 ¡ The toxic part of the AA community: ¡ "If you like the spawn route, you're a psychopath!" Disclaimer: This post concerns
đŹ 1  đ 1  â¤ď¸ 10 ¡ Toxic Trends in the AA Segment of the BG3 Fandom and efforts to Imprint Personal Roleplay and Headcanons onto the Gameâs N
There I also examine the deliberate distortion of BG3's narrative and the writer's own statements in an attempt to push a particular playthrough as the only "correct" and "happy" one. This was my very first post on the subject, before they started attacking me.
đŹ 3  đ 1  â¤ď¸ 7 ¡ Narrative of the BG3 and Astarionâs endings. A discussion in the comments. Iâm saving this for myself and sharing it with y
As you can see, I hadn't even tagged anyone.
To which I received this supposedly innocent reply from the holy @marielle555 :)
đŹ 12  đ 8  â¤ď¸ 22 ¡ Post by @marielle555 ¡ 3 videos ¡ Is BG3 really a game with such a forced narrative? Or is it, after all, an RPG? Is the
I'm not going to talk about how this person deliberately used years-old anonymous hate comments from others just to make me look bad⌠But check out what else this individual allowed themselves to say. An extract from my post:
Honestly, comments like this from the author are one of the reasons I chose to respond to her post in the first place. As you can see, this kind of behavior is actively encouraged by toxic parts of the fandom . For example, attacking Tavs who choose to stop the ritual. On my blog, I donât engage in that kind of behavior. I donât insult people or their Tavs simply because they have different preferences.
And you know, after everything that has happened, seeing something like this is honestly just amusing.
Regarding the claim that I was allegedly hunting for this author's socials, lol. An anonymous user messaged me about it, and I've already replied to that.
So I have to ask @hank88999: why do people feel the need to ruin othersâ experience and impose their own roleplay interpretation on everyone else? Why behave like this? And why are we all expected to just stay quiet when we see comments like these?
During this whole debate, I genuinely just ran into a video with this author's comments by pure chance. My friend DMed it to me. In that screenshot, you can see me telling her, 'guess who I found in the comments there.' To clear my name from the attacks and lies of this dishonest person, I exposed her comments in my own post. We're talking about huge paragraphs that this individual manually typed under a stranger's video, bashing other people's choices in the game. So, I was just using public information. Hereâs an example of a comment. Itâs funny how showing a comment that the author publicly posted (and not just one, but 15+ of them) is considered bullying. Yet writing things like this is apparently completely acceptable.
These people can't stand being caught lying. And when they receive an answer they can't say anything back to, even after trying to twist the truth, this is what starts:
Just to explain what happened: after I made my post, some toxic AA fans got very upset, tracked down my personal account, and contacted the BG3 community where I'm one of the admins. The intention was pretty obviousâto turn my fellow admins against me. First of all, I won't even comment on how foolish that was. Second, everyone there is already aware of the situation. But these AA fans seem to have a habit of assuming everyone around them is an idiot and trying to stir up drama by taking advantage of people who aren't familiar with the context. Attacking communities, provoking drama, insulting people over their choices, treating the game's creators with contempt, jumping from one YouTube channel to another leaving countless comments insulting other people's choicesâand then getting angry and crying "bullying" the moment they're called out for it. It's almost ironic. You know, I thought I was done paying attention to all of this. But what happened yesterday showed me that apparently, not yet.
I mean, that's literally the worst insult they could've come up with. LOL.
stop whitewashing mister lord please
Leave my gremlin alone! Yâall are gonna hate me perchance, lol, but while I appreciate spawn and AA lovers alike I really prefer we appreciate Astarionâs character for what it is. I donât need all the characters I love to be perfect shining examples of morality, and this guy ainât. He exhibits trauma responses and patterns that many people live their whole lives with, and no one is saying he canât change at all. Iâll go ahead and cover: no one is saying he doesnât love you, that he canât have some form of fulfilling relationship, etc.âbut he ends up a very different character than spawn and I donât like it when people babygirlify AA for player wish fulfillment. There are pros and cons to this choice that should stay intact.
Iâve been seeing people talking about creating a more âimmersiveâ ascended Astarion romance mod. One where he wonât force you to become his spawn. One where he wonât say this line to you when he turns you.
Iâm sorry but what đ
I feel like if you want to change his romance lines you donât respect his characterization much ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ but I find people often donât, I suppose.
To be clear, Iâm not trying to dunk on anyone specifically. This is part of a larger trend I see with people insisting that he would never treat their character the way that he acts in the game, and I just donât like it. Obviously people can head canon whatever they want, but I really struggle with narratives that run counter to the gameâs characterization personally so I will be analyzing why these choices are core aspects of the character that I donât agree with changing because I have autism.
Let me get something out of the wayâI find Ascended Astarion to be interesting, from a story telling perspective. He breaks my heart a little, and he makes me mad, haha, but I can absolutely see that itâs still him. Heâs still a character I care deeply about. Those parts of him were always thereâin some ways, he even resembles act 1 Astarion more than the spawn ending version, in their shared values. I donât agree with people who say that ânothing of the Astarion we knew survives,â but he is different than spawn. Heâs theatrical; he suppresses all vulnerability in favor of demonstrative power seeking and wish fulfillment. He got everything he wanted, and he wants you to know that.
He insists heâs happy with what he made of himself. Sometimes he can even believe that. Heâs Not Traumatized, actually, heâs having a great time! In some ways, I believe him. The world yearns to kneel and offer their necks, after all, and he has the power now. But heâs still frightened and in need of reassurance from Tav/Durge, and heâll never relinquish control to the extent that would allow him to heal fully. It's so obvious, the moment he is threatened in any way.
HAVING SAID THAT. This man absolutely will demand that you tie yourself to him irrevocably. That is who he is. He lives in fear of being abandoned. Heâs holding on with his claws and his teeth. Like, congrats you found a loophole that you can go fight the brain directly after completing his quest and not giving his arc closure, I guess, go offâbut Iâm wholeheartedly opposed to the concept because I find it fundamentally counter to his whole thing and I am a whore for story.
Ascended Astarion needs Tav/Durge desperately, and craves control and certainty to the degree that he cannot abide a relationship where he does not have some degree of Power Over. He simply doesnât trust youâll stay unless he holds the leash. Maybe in time he can learn, but I find it doubtful.
Just look at how he treats Karlach, when he realizes he canât turn her into his spawn.
Without control, he often turns mean and scared. (Which is kind of why people saying ascension is the only way he can be free makes me wheezeâthis desperate clawing for control is the opposite of true freedom in my mind, sunlight or no.)
This version of Astarion and my durge Nerys would never work. They had in common that they lived desperately fighting against the chain around their neck, and now he seeks to replace it with his own.*
And that is fineâI can understand that there are different types of characters out there for whom this arrangement would be preferable to losing him, or even a relief. There are so many awful fates one can end up with in the forgotten realms. Surely being kept on a long leash by someone who grants you everlasting life is better than some...(like your soul becoming a brick in Kelemvorâs faithless wall? Good grief. Probably better to be tied to a guy that negs you every once in awhile if you live in luxury, I guess.)
Some characters crave someone to control them, someone to keep them safe (because if you do what he wants, he absolutely does do that, I think. Itâs only when you consistently contest his wishes that you see how nasty he can get). I donât really see how so many boss bitch resist durge and drow baddies end up kneeling for this manâseems kinda counter to the character arcâbut I digress đ (not all of them as I am about to demonstrate, but certainly seems counter to some of their characterization as presented.)
My point is THERE ARE CHARACTERS FOR WHOM THIS RELATIONSHIP MAKES NARRATIVE SENSE. Thatâs fine. My embrace durge Ciaran was one such character, in fact. He was used to obeying, and wasnât particularly threatened by the theatrics. He liked the power play.
unfortunately it didnât end up particularly well for them when that drive to obey the call of his blood turned out to be stronger than the one tethering him to his lover.
ANYWAY. If you grant Ascended Astarion that control over you and youâre âwonderfully obedient,â he grants you a fairly long leash and plenty of treats! No argument there. As long as he thinks that you will continue to be his beloved pet and never leave him, heâs fairly content with his lot.
If your character is âwonderfully obedient,â Iâm not discounting they could be happy! Maybe you failed an insight check. Maybe itâs exactly what you want. There are a lot of reasons a person might like to be controlled. It can feel like caretaking for some. It can help relax a restless mind that is certain they will make all the wrong choices.
If youâre not obedientâŚgood luck. He wonât let you break up with him. Again, perhaps youâre leaning into the dom/sub of it all and youâre okay with that, or maybe you like the angst! Sometimes I do. I have a weakness for AA/spawn Gale, which subsists on the preexisting characteristics of someone who in some ways likes to be used, to worship his partner. Iâm not judging you for the relationship dynamics, I just prefer they be rooted in the character and that we donât pretend this dynamic doesnât exist!
ANYWAY. As for âown your body, kill your mind,â well. If you succeed the insight check, you find out that he believes you to be degrading yourself if you accept his offer. This makes sense; becoming a spawn degraded him. Itâs unsurprising he thinks this way, especially at this point, even if it makes you uncomfortable to hear it. He might be able to see this differently in the future, but he only just got free.
Even if he doesnât do to you what Cazador did to him (and tbh I donât think he would ever go that far personally, although the game does seem invested in calling him Cazador 2.0), you are becoming less than an equal to him, and that is absolutely an intentional part of the choice in the text, no question. Many people in real world and fictional relationships make choices like this all the timeâprioritizing someone else over themselves, or making sacrifices for love. Stop trying to mod out good storytelling!
Deep down, Ascended Astarion doesnât have a high opinion of his own self worth, either, and without the healing arc that will be challenging to shift. As it probably should be, for someone who condemned 7,000 souls of spawn just like him to the Hells. By staying with him, bowing for him, you become less than him, and thatâs critical to his sense of self. He needs to be more than to feel loved and safe. It doesnât mean he doesnât love you, in his way. But itâs the only way he knows how to love, in this version, and letâs not pretend this is an easy breezy uncomplicated kind of love. Or that this man will ever be able to experience the full range of intimacy with a partner. Iâd argue that sex largely stays what it was to him in this routeâa means to an end. A tool to exercise power over, if an entertaining one.
A means to mutual pleasure, surely, but not the kind of soul baring exercise it can be when the concept of power is stripped away entirely. Compare the spawn romance sceneâthis is kind of a CORE DIFFERENCE!
(shout out to @adrielmancy for filling in the gaps in my screenshots hereâthe mvp as usual)
tl;dr I understand the urge to restore cut content, make hugs longer, give players a second romance scene with MintharaâŚ.all well and good. But I fundamentally disagree with cutting dialogue you donât like in ways that drastically change the gameâs characterization, and Iâd argue that these are pretty significant.
...and ultimately, if you want a sweet kitten?
âŚHe's right there waiting for you. A little less grand, perhaps, but all the stronger for forsaking the path of least resistance and accepting himself as he is. It feels like some people are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to justify avoidance of his âweaknessâ in the spawn ending. (I could write a whole other post on that concept đ )
*a side note about my OC, Nerys, and Ascended Astarion
In Nerysâ one and only AU, Nerys refuses to help Astarion ascend. Gale steps in and helps his companion insteadâthey share that ambition for power, after allâand they separate. Canât bear to kill him, but canât bear to see him much, either. Her self destructive tendencies and longing result in them sleeping together a few more times, but it only causes her more heartache.
Itâs a ghost wearing her loverâs face, and itâs almost enough to drive her from the Gate all together if it werenât for Karlach. Eventually she spends longer and longer periods of time away, and itâs possible Astarionâs schemes get him staked by adventurers with more black and white morals while sheâs gone. His erratic approach to planning and strategy and his power hunger tell me he probably wonât live forever đ at least not without some really powerful allies backing him, but maybe heâll surprise me.
Your thoughts resonate with me so much! Thank you for the analysis! In an alternative timeline, my main character, Tess, was too afraid to try and convince him, so the ritual took place. Well, and what followed broke her heart. She saw the 'become a spawn or bye-bye' ultimatum as a betrayal on his part (even though, in the end, he was the one who broke up with her). She had only just learned to live without him and cope with the pain when they suddenly crossed paths at a party. Ultimately, she gave in because she realized that life without him was worse than any torture for her. For me, this is a bad ending for this couple, but that doesn't make it any less beautiful. And yet, I'm glad there are Tess and spawn Astarion, who don't need anyone to be higher or lower. This story resonates with me more.

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iâd probably be more sympathetic to Cazador and understand the people who are like âhe was a victim too!!!â if it werenât for the fact that forcing the spawn to have sex with his victims is a completely unnecessary step in the plan.
like, i can understand he wants the power of the ritual, i can understand that the spawn are pawns that heâs using to gather victims because itâs faster than luring people in on his own, i understand Vellioth abused him, Velliothâs master abused Vellioth, going back generations. i even sort of can kind of understand Cazador wanting to hurt the spawn because they remind him of himself or whatever. i can understand all of that.
but the levels of sexual torture that the spawn underwent was completely unnecessary.
he could have even had them lure his victims back to the palace under the guise of having sex, and then just taken them before that happened.
but he didnât do that. he forced the spawn to objectify and humiliate themselves for absolutely no reason, other than cruelty.
like, when you are exploring the palace, Astarion points out the room where he would âentertain the guestsâ. meaning, theyâre already there, in the palace, able to be taken at any time. thereâs absolutely no reason that the spawn siblings need to be involved beyond âget them into this roomâ. but thatâs not how it went.
as boo hoo poor me womp womp sad Cazadorâs thoughts are when you use Detect Thoughts on him are, he still very much chose to force the spawn to have sex with people they did not want to have sex with, nearly every night, for centuries.
that alone is why i will never be sympathetic towards him. the ritual could 100% have been completed without that aspect, and he chose do do that anyway.
fuck cazador, youâll never convince me that heâs a sympathetic villain, youâll never convince me to feel bad for him, iâll always relish in watching Astarion, his most hated spawn, stab him to death while he grovels on his knees.
Can the artbook be used as a source in discussions?
Recently, in debates about Astarion's true nature, some users have started citing information from the artbook released alongside the launch of BG3. đŚ
Here's the artbook.
So, what is this artbook, exactly? Here's how Larian describes it.
'Discover the world of Baldurâs Gate 3 through stunning visuals and rich design in this premium hardcover art book, created by the team at Larian Studios. Sized at 220x281mm, this beautifully crafted edition features 192 pages of full-color concept art, character design, and environmental illustrations inspired by the Forgotten Realms. Printed on high-quality 170gsm matte coated paper, each page captures the depth and detail of the gameâs creative process.'
In other words, the developers themselves make it clear that this is an artbook of concept art and character design.
'Concept art is an artistic rendering of elements in a film, TV show, or video game, created as part of the development and visualization of characters, costumes, environments, etc.'
Source: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/concept-art
'Character design is the process of crafting a character's visual appearance, personality and aesthetic for film, comics, TV programmes, video games and other visual mediums.'
Source: https://www.autodesk.com/in/solutions/character-design
So, this artbook is essentially the story of how the world and characters of Baldur's Gate 3 were developed, told through artwork. That's why the artbook includes a lot of material, including visual concepts, that didn't make it into the final game.
For example, here's an early concept of Gale from Waterdeep.
Did you notice the rotting, bandaged hand? It doesn't exist in the released version of Baldur's Gate 3ânot only visually, but narratively as well. And here's what the developers themselves say about it in the artbook.
About Karlach
The artbook also includes a character named Daisy.
Just to be clear, Daisy only existed in the Early Access version of the game. She doesn't appear in the final release. The Dream Guardian was named "The Dream Visitor" in the Early Access version of the game and "Daisy" in the game files of both versions. They wore their camp clothing during character creation and all scenes, while in the Full Release they appear in a set of armour for everything except one dream sequence in Act 2. The visions granted by the Dream Visitor were of domination and power, and if the player character resisted these visions the Dream Visitor would become hostile. The Dream Visitor would eventually attempt to seduce the player character, and this storyline was bolstered suggestions during the Guardian's character creation guiding the player to create someone the player character would be attracted to. The song Down by the River from the game's Original Soundtrack was likely related to these interactions as the dreams took place by a river and the song's lyrics ask the player character to stay there in the dream with them forever (Don't wake me up, Just leave me there dreaming).
Source:
The Dream Guardian is a mysterious being that appears in the party's dreams after the insertion of the Illithid Tadpole.
As we've seen, the artbook tells the story of BG3 development. So, what does it tell us about Astarion? đŚ
Naturally, the following quote is the one that gets everyone's attention:
"Two hundred years ago, Astarion was a corrupt elite of Baldur's Gate with a taste for power and a hunger for eternal life".
This quote is often used to argue that Astarion was always irredeemably evil, and that the Ascended ending is his only true, authentic, and happy ending. Of course, that's not the case.
The Ascended and Spawn endings are simply two different character arcs, each with its own benefits and consequences. Which one feels right depends entirely on the player's roleplay and personal preference. But one thing remains constant: every choice has consequences.
In one of his interviews, Senior writer Adam Smith emphasizes the importance of choices and the consequences they entail:
"The sense of having something inside you. Something about yourself that is unfamiliar, that may offer power burden with consequences. That idea of choice and consequences baked into it, but also that sense of feeling something about yourself being wrong, and having the choice of saying "would I want that power?", or the choice to turn away from it, and there'll be consequences for both".
In any case, using information from an artbook whose purpose is to document the game's development process as evidence in a debate is rather questionable. It's just as questionable as imposing your own roleplay on others.
If someone feels the game doesn't provide enough information, they can always consult the game's writers. This is what Astarion's writer, Stephen Rooney, had to say about his past:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/radiantrogue/comments/1g4pryh/stephen_rooney_astarions_writer_about_the_corrupt/
In other words, the writer emphasizes that the information presented in the game is what we should rely on.
Personally, I think the writer's own words carry more weight than an artbook focused on concept art and the game's development. If you're interested in learning more about Astarion as a character, I highly recommend checking out Stephen Rooney's interviews. It's genuinely fascinating.
Baldur's Herald presents an exclusive interview with Stephen Rooney, the writer behind Astarion from Baldur's Gate 3.In this video, we talke
Although, to be honest, these interviews don't really reveal anything particularly new if you pay close attention to the character's dialogue.
So, regarding the question âCan the artbook be used as a source in discussions?â, the answer could be quite simple: no. It is not part of the in-game content.
By the way, I donât think that the information from the artbook about Astarionâs past fundamentally changes his story in the final version of the game. Essentially, itâs still the same story and in some ways even deeper.
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And now, hereâs a fun little detail I noticed while making this post. Did you notice the dirt under Astarionâs nails in this art? I think itâs such a cool little detail?
This is why I love doing all of this â finding little details like this is so rewarding, haha.