#snater

Alright, let's break this down, anon, because there's a lot to unpack here.

I think I've mentioned this in several posts already, but I'll repeat it: Severus owed James Potter NOTHING—no compassion, no empathy, no mercy. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. James Potter was a rich, popular brat who abused his social and economic capital to torment a poor, unsupported boy for seven years just because he didn't like him from the moment they met on the train to Hogwarts, and from that moment on, he had it in for him. He was a terrible bully who used his friends to join in on that nasty bullying. So if Snape didn’t care that he died, well, Snape had every right to feel that way. Do you go to victims of domestic violence and tell them they should feel sorry for their abusers? No, right? Well, this is the same thing. James was an abuser, Severus was his victim. Severus did more than enough by not telling Voldemort to torture him to death with Cruciatus, because I would have. Honestly, I don't understand why Snaters always bring up the whole "James was dead and Snape walked over his body" as if it were some horrible thing when, hello! You're talking about an ABUSER being dead, mate. Of course, he walked right over his body—what surprises me is that he didn’t throw a party.

Harry had to die. I know this sounds terrible, but it’s basically what the prophecy indicated. He was a target that Voldemort wasn’t going to let slip away, his fate was sealed. And yes, it’s unethical. And yes, it’s immoral. But the truth is that wars are unethical and highly immoral, and horrible, monstrous decisions are often made. Harry was not an option—asking for mercy for him was pointless because there wasn’t going to be any.

I don’t think Severus ever believed that if James was out of the picture, Lily would go to him or anything like that. I mean, they hadn’t spoken for five years—about six by that time. Severus NEVER harassed or stalked Lily. The only time he went after her was when the whole SWM incident happened, and he tried to apologise. Once she made it clear she didn’t want anything to do with him anymore, Severus respected her decision, and as far as we know from canon, they never interacted again. So, I don’t think, after six years of not talking, with his supposed former best friend having married and had a child with his personal bully, Severus had many expectations of them ending up in any sort of romantic relationship. I think, quite simply, that Lily always represented the only good part of his childhood—the only happy memories, the only moments of peace amidst the hellish violence he endured at home. I believe this was crucial for someone like him, whose childhood and teenage years were marked by violence, and he wasn’t willing to let the one good thing in his life end up murdered.

I agree that Severus is highly obsessive, but haters tend to frame this in a derogatory way, referring to his "obsession" with Lily, and I think it needs some clarification. Yes, Severus is obsessive, and he’s terribly immature at times, and he overreacts enormously when confronted with something that really triggers him (just look at how quickly he loses his temper with Sirius, for instance). This is obviously because he’s someone who never had the opportunity to grow up normally or develop cognitively as he should have, because his whole life was marked by violence. His home life was violent, and at school, he endured violence, and then at 20 years old, he handed his soul over to Dumbledore’s cause and had to work for nearly two decades at a school that was the epicentre of many of his traumas. He literally had neither the spaces nor the environments needed to heal and grow into a functional adult, and you can clearly see this in his behaviour. I’ve always said Severus is more of a diva than the cold, mysterious character people often make him out to be in fanon. To me, he’s someone who, on a personal level, hasn’t been able to grow emotionally in a healthy way and doesn’t know how to manage certain situations, especially those tied to his emotional issues. That said, I also don’t think he was romantically and/or sexually obsessed with Lily. I do think he loved her or was infatuated with her in his youth—first love, crush, whatever. But I don’t believe his need to avenge her death was due to romantic or obsessive love. I think it’s more about his obsession with repaying his debt to her. Severus always felt partially responsible for Lily’s death, and that’s where his obsession lies: it’s not that he’s obsessed with her, per se, but with the fact that he feels guilty for what happened. He feels, in some way, responsible for the death of the one person who showed him kindness, affection, and care during his childhood, which made her the most important person in his life at one point. And guilt often leads to obsession, much like grief that is not properly processed, and I don’t think that kind of obsession is creepy. I think it’s a very human kind of obsession.

Lastly, I don’t find Severus creepy at all. Why is he creepy? I mean, Harry was running around with his invisibility cloak, spying on everyone. The Marauders had A BLOODY MAP that allowed them to track everyone at Hogwarts 24/7 like some kind of magical GPS. Is Severus really the creepy one here? There are literally Animagi who turn into animals to spy on people—I have to laugh at the whole creepy argument.

i’ve said it before, i’ll say it again. u can consider SWM as sexual assault, but that understanding has to exist in the context of when these novels were written. between 1998 and 2010 the act of pantsing someone was a widely used trope. it happened in almost every kids tv show i watched growing up. none of those children were supposed to be perceived as being assaulted. see also: wedgies being a super popular trope in media. it’s FINE if u want to present it as the marauders did something heinous to snape in ur own hcs/fanworks/interpretations. idc, i will not engage. but like HOLY SHIT we cannot possibly be living in a world where the cultural context of these things does not exist because it’s not convenient to ur narrative. the canon does not support SWM as an act of sexual assault. what the canon supports is that snape felt humiliated and embarrassed, as it does for any piece of media from that time with a pantsing happening. the canon also supports lily saying she would rather kiss the giant squid then james DURING the incident, and that snape called lily a SLUR because he didn’t want her help.

i’m not saying all this to say u can’t like or enjoy any of these characters. they’re all complex and interesting. you can also attach whatever interpretations on them you see fit. HOWEVER, what i AM saying, is ur gonna have to back ur shit up. ur not “wiping the floor with them with canon” if ur not understanding the cultural context of children’s media at the time, and only saying “but doing this is sexual assault the law agrees!!!!” the law in 2025 might agree but the tropes of the children’s media of the time don’t come with that context. you can write this type of dynamic while being informed of that now, but u can’t exactly be shocked when people don’t see it that way. u gotta back it up with more shit.

i like examining snape as a character. i think he and sirius are very interesting character studies in what could happen in relation to abuse and indoctrination, overt and covert. but holy shit, we cannot be adding things that aren’t there without at least the understanding that the interpretation of these actions will differ from person to person.

and if u are doing these things, u don’t get to turn around and say “oh they ran away with their tail between their legs” if someone chooses to stop engaging with u. people have whole lives outside of the internet. u don’t win a debate just because someone stopped responding. ESPECIALLY if ur being super fucking condescending saying “my dear” and “hugs and kisses” in an argument. sometimes people are literally fuckin busy or uncomfortable. this is internet slap fighting, there’s no winning or running away. just a limited amount of time before people decide to stop interacting.

I am so sick of Mauraders fans. Not only are they fanon-zombies but they're so obsessed with hating Snape that they can't not bring him up in a conversation.

Context: there was a video on tiktok that was talking about Sirius and his famous "look at how a man treats his inferiors" quote. The tiktok, who actually kind of dislikes Snape but isn't a snater so i figured it was safe to interact with her, and for a while that was true, then goes on to say that Sirius is actually like his family given how poorly he treats his slave Kreacher.

I go on to comments that Sirius also treats halfbloods poorly, "He also used a halfblood werewolf to kill another halfblood". And suddenly there are people under my comment talking about how Snape is actually a blood supremacist, acting like that somehow absolves Sirius of his faults. I didn't bother arguing over the "Snapes a blood supremacist" because I know for a fact that these people believed he was a blood supremacist from the tender age of 9 til his death. Instead I just reiterated my point, that Sirius also hurt Remus. And damn, I didn't realize how quickly that was going to ruin my opinion of these people.

You know, I don't hate Sirius and Remus (or the Mauraders in general) because they make stories with Severus interesting, but their fans... I actually hate their fans bc what do you mean "The Prank wasn't that bad for Remus or Snape, James saved him before he could get that close" last I checked, how close Snape got to the werewolf was close enough that James had to pull him back to save him. And Remus could have been killed, werewolves were seen as creatures, animals with no rights, but fine, I'm sure Remus was fine with his secret nearly being revealed to the whole school bc of his pureblood friend.

What do you mean "Snape was a blood supremacist so it's OK that Sirius tried to kill him" Not only is this implied to happen before SWM (meaning he was younger that 15) and long before he joined the DEs, but even if he was a full blown murder, it wouldn't be OK to put his life in danger. Everyone has rights, even people we don't like. I would blame the Mauraders Stans for our current political issues (people being denied their rights bc the ppl in power don't like them) but I know that's just an extreme exaggeration on my end. The political climate influenced Maurader fans before they were Mauraders fans into this "ends justify the means" mentality they all have.

I guess my point is: Snaters can't keep Snape's name out of their mouths, they'll minimize and overblow other characters experiences with him so long as they can justify hating a character thats not nearly as hateable as they claim he is. And I'm not gonna bother interacting with them ever again, their not worth