#role function

each p.type has a role function (8th function in mbti) and even though they actually really dislike it, they will try to act like they are competent with it, they don’t suck at it etc. this is a problem in the bedroom. for example estp trying to be funny or entp trying to rail somebody down will just turn them off. why? because:

each p.type has an anima/animus. this is the fourth function in mbti. suggestive or “dual-seeking” in socionics. types “need” this. instinctively.

so how to please enxps? first tell them “OMG, daddy! destroy me!” or something (since they are trying to prove you how se hard they can fuck you at the beginning) but gradually (depending on your communication skills), show them / tell them that you actually like cuddly grindy si sex instead of railing. slow them down, make them relax, take control even (without being bossy about it). so basically, bring them from fake unvalued se to valued and needed si.

therefore, guess what? inxj is the opposite of entp as you have to bring them from fake si to actually valued se! you gotta rail them. you can think this way too: ni doms are so detached and in their own simulation-world, you gotta be impactful to break the matrix. similarly, ne doms are thinking about possibilities how to make love to you but you make them just focus on the experience and chill.

this is fully theory now: but applying the logic to esxps, they should try to do ne shenanigans in the bed? they should suggest a bit “too creative” things trying to impress you? stupid jokes and shit? nicknames and whatever? so one should be like “muhaha you are so funny” first but then gradually bring them from that fake ne to meaninfulness of the experience which is ni. make them connect with you ni deeper? which, infjs and intjs will do perfectly?

and then ixfps trying to analyze the situation and what their partner thinks right now etc. with their ti role? which actually turns them off? so you gotta clearly “TE”ll them, what you think, what you want? so they won’t need to analyze? they are givers after all? they want to give you what you want and the more you like it, the more they like it?

What's a "foolproof" way to know if you are seeing someone's role function instead of their base?

I feel like it's my most common problem when trying to type people, especially cus they're "on and off" functions. I feel like the only way to really know for sure is to be close to them but I was wondering if there are other ways.

When people talk I hear the functions but sometimes its difficult to put it all together into a type and be certain about it, I'm always second guessing myself

hello. remember how i associated role function with jung's persona? (and persona was a sort of mask you wear to protect yourself?)

so then an infp working at goverment office or whatever will put that ti mask on and be serious and detached. why? because infp will think that's what expected from him by society. why? because role function is the core of superego block.

or as an entp when i was running an internet cafe, i was controlling kids with hard se intimidation. people who just knew me from there used to think i was very scary and that's exactly what i wanted them to think. (no cursing while playing counter-strike. we have girls here researching stuff online or checking their emails. watch your dumb mouth.)

that's socionics part of it. but then there's john beebe dimension of that function too which he names as "demon function"

if entp had to fight and this is happening all of a sudden, he would use se in such a chaotic way and exert himself. this is why people tend to type joker as an entp. you know how joker would stab you way too many times even though you are dead? this is because he brings se from the deepths of psychic repression ocean. and so he ends up using it in a non-refined way, it's too forced, too much energy than necessary spent in a turbulent / neurotic way.

in contrast a true se dom usually reports something called "flow state" in which they feel like time slow down and they can easily dodge punches and kicks and then they just one hit k.o. you using their psychic energy professionally, economically, refinedly, in a well measured way etc. (the way conor mcgregor finished jose aldo and the way jorge masvidal finished that funky wrestler is a good example too.)

and then an infp too, WHEN MAD can go into ti demon mode: you did this AND this AND THEN you promised x, y and z and you never keep your promise AND then you once even told me i was q and z and p SO you are an EVIL person i HATE you. *cries*

both intjs and entps are after the meaning but entp wants the meaning right now, right here. and this is basically the main difference between ne and ni.

ni is ok with doing meaningless, mundane and boring shit in the moment "if" that's what it takes to reach the big ni prize in the future. (for example studying hard for exams, memorizing boring ass dates and names and latin terms)

then it makes sense for ni doms to be si role, doesn't it? they got that patience for doing mundane shit. they will wake up early, they won't stay all night up, they will eat at the right time, they will follow a pretty good schedule as a result.

an isfj or istj can actually enjoy working in their little garden and growing tomatoes or maintaining their aquarium every day. these things would be "purely" si things to do.

ni doms won't do those things at all. they can't care less about repeating some sensory things so they can feel "relaxed" or whatever. they will relax if they are working for actually se useful things. what a HUGE waste of time! just go buy some tomatoes from the closest place and use that time more wisely, sheesh.

THEN, you can also understand how entps are se role. they will do se things while exploring possibilities but they won't just spend shit ton of se energy for purely se reasons. for example they won't be into sports because there are no possibilities to explore there. all soccer moves are already invented. all fighting styles are already explored. 2k years of human history. you can only be a disciple of certain techniques and master them by repetition which is not something ne motivating.

i will explain this through ixtps who has fi in that slot and that means they have fe in the 4th aka inferior slot.

somebody with fe inferior / baby function, somebody who doesn't know how to interact with others using complex feelings, somebody really awkward or lazy about that will be inevitably fi sensitive, fi careful, fi cautious, fi defensive too. ixtps want you to be straightforward with them. you love me? ok, i will love you too then. it is very easy to pick up intps and istps just by being straightforward.but anyway, i digress (not really).

ixtps won't shame you using fe, they won’t call you out or something. they would hate that kind of drama, it’s the biggest cringe for them even when they watch somebody getting fe shamed. if you ask them, they might explain why what you did was wrong with their ti but most usually, they will "think" you were mean, they won’t say anything and then they will put more space between you and themselves. which is the exact same behaviour with ixfps who are fi doms!

first, your role function in socionics is your 8th function in mbti. so if you are an esfp, your role function is ne. if you are an entj in mbti, your role function in socionics is fe.

now, role function is socionics is weak but bold. so these two dichotomies alone is enough to describe it. example:

TE ROLE (enfj,esfj): bold opinions about what must be done, what makes sense, what's a fact etc. but if you were to question the things they argue, keep asking why, dig deeper, stab them in the fundamentals you can easily win a debate against them. they don't really know WHY a fact is a fact. they often just heard it from somebody "credible".