#plural warning

Don't use either of these platforms if you value yourself and your safety.

Orbit is open about using AI and doubles down no matter what if you point out how risky using AI for an app like this is.

Indigo on the other hand, made an eager post about the app they're developing, saying that they can look at your data and will very much delete your account if they find out you're an endo or find endo material in your account.

Remember that there are going to be people looking to take advantage of the fact there's very little for systems right now. Do your due diligence and make sure to do extensive research before using any platform claiming to be for systems, even if by a system.

I have blocked them on my end since they are active here on Tumblr but I would just like to warn those who are thinking about it to know that the app is very strongly anti endogenic, polyminds, supporters of those , etc. As displayed in their pinned post here ↓

And to those who are anti Endo who think "I'll sign up bc of this stance" or those who wish to use the app despite that since "how would they know I'm Endo (/supportive)". There are currently privacy concerns as well because of them 'having their ways' to be able to look through your systems data to make sure and ban your acct. Which can be found here from an ask they answered ↓

In what ways they will 'find out if you are Endo / Endo supportive' is unknown (to me at least) but I wouldn't be surprised if they would go after those who use terms like 'mixed origins' , more specific origin/-genic terms , those who don't wish to say their origins/ -genic label , terms commonly used / made by the plurality & endogenic communities ,etc.

For me at least I would say to try and stay clear of the app & their socials for your own peace, safety, and privacy. Also please do NOT go after and harass / witch hunt them. This is NOT a post telling you to go bombarded them or be mean or rude , this is a post simply to inform the community.

(Small edit as of writing this post)

It has been brought to my attention as well by a mutual that they will at first be going about this through looking at their user bases social media pages as seen down below. It is still an unsure answer as to if they will look into your accounts data since they haven't outright clearly denied it so it would still be the safest to not engage with them. ↓

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8gU32pm/

Thank you for letting us know! I believe we have blocked them as well on tiktok as well or it could have been another upcoming app there too. A lot of the upcoming apps I have seen there at least are either anti endo or say they are Endo neutral but leaning anti .

It's a shame how, I suppose 'popular' it is to be anti-endo there but it's not surprising given how the community can sometimes be on there :-(.

This ask is in response to the post down below of the text.

Sorry for not getting to this ask sooner anon, we are a bit piled up & trying to go through them but we are getting to it now. I personally do not know a lot about cyber security or coding so please forgive me anon, but from what I can tell I hope they don't do any of that sort of stuff :-(! I have at least a small tiny bit of hope that they won't resort to any sort of thing like that, but it's so hard to tell especially with how adamant they are about having no endos in their servers or their app once it's released.

As for their iOS release and how they will do that I have no clue, I think they went over it on their blog before and someone talked to them about all that stuff in the comments how an APK won't really work . So at the very least it's not shaping up currently to have an iOS release in the near future, I think they were planning mostly on web && android release but again it's been a while since I have seen their blog so forgive me if that's incorrect!!

But also that app is very dangerous for RAMCOA systems who are pro/neu/anti because most anti endos shoot down RAMCOA systems even if they are anti endo too.

That whole app is going to fail before it starts. Its incredibly stupid. I know some people dont like this comparison but imagine telling someone they cant use a disability aid just bc u dont believe in them. Its so stupid

Ask is in response to the post down below. This app in general just seems so unsafe & a huge breach of privacy to all systems who will use this app from what we have seen so far (when it comes to how they will operate.). All we can do is spread the word about it and make others aware of what they could encounter from using this app.

I also really hope in regards to their blacklist it will be private for staff only to see and not just a list on display in their social / server(if they have one) which could cause major problems for those who do end up on there

:(! Again I'm not accusing them /saying that they are doing this in regards to their blacklist but I just hope they won't make it a public list at the very least!! ↓

Ask is in regards to the post down below. I would probably add that there are major privacy concerns first and foremost for the systems that plan on using that app since it's a bit unclear if they will be looking at user/systems in app data to see if they arent Traumagenic.

Along with (possible) safety concerns with how they might handle their own blacklist. we don't know if it will be a public list or a fully private only for the devs list, which we worry for those who will be on it if it turns out to be public. which could very possibly cause harassment towards those systems especially if their socials are attached on the blacklist :-(.

I guess just in short maybe add that it's has possible safety/privacy risks if one does wish to engage with the app / the apps socials.

" Hey so, ntgs are stigmatizing and making fun of a trauma disorder. They aren't a damn minority. They are ableists who don't seem to understand that CDDs are the only way to be a system. I'm not gonna stand for people who make my disorder seem fun and quirky. Fuck off.

— ✂️ Meliora "

This ask is in regards to post linked down below. That's genuinely so concerning and upsetting but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest from what I have seen about their stance :-(. I hope the asker is doing alright and isn't being harassed if they weren't anon. I'm just genuinely at such a loss for words with this, I don't think I will ever understand the hate others will have against those who are different from them.