#owing

We don’t owe him anything either

Hi, anon!

I get what you're saying, but i'm so tired of the Gen Z "i don't owe you anything" mantra. The social glue in our society would melt if everyone lived by that way of thinking.

Also, one of my favourite tweets lol

Instead of saying nobody owes anyone anything ever, can't we turn it back around and admit that everyone owes everyone something? Like i've said a million times by now, the fan/celebrity relationship is a symbiotic relationship. In order for the celebrity to be famous and successful they need fans, and they need to cater to these fans to gain fans. At the same time, fans need to support the celebrity/artist in order to get them famous and successful. So both fans and the celebrity need to give something in order to get something.

nothing

at least i cannot remember

right from the start

I never met anyone who was ready

to listen to me

i am not exaggerating when i say

i was left to resolve problems myself

it made me independent

but a lonely girl at the same time

I dislike the idea of owing

it sets limits, it robs me of freedom

no , not for me

maybe it is good for those

who like the thought of duty

'don't forget you owe me!'

like that

but no, that thought belongs to a

different world

rejectable in my life

Because I think we get these twisted up a lot.

One time, I told a male friend who’d been single for a long time that he deserved to find someone he could be with, and in fact someone he could enjoy good sex with. And he was like - don’t tell me that - that’s how those incel guys get started.

And I was really taken aback by this. Just because you deserve to have love, doesn’t mean that any one person is obligated to give you love. Just because you deserve to have good sex, doesn’t mean any specific person owes it to you to have sex with you.

This works both ways, too. Often people - women especially - feel like they owe someone love or time or sex or energy because they see that someone needs those things. But just because someone needs something doesn’t mean that it’s up to you personally to provide it. 

This isn’t just about sex, either. We talk a lot about what we deserve in life. We tell friends they deserve good things - a job they love, a solid relationship, a relaxing vacation, good health insurance, that cute outfit they want, and on and on. But when we’re saying those things, we’re not necessarily saying that anyone is obligated to give them those things.

Sometimes we are saying that, though. For instance - we all deserve things that meet our basic needs such as a roof over our heads, quality health care, food security, etc. And I, like many people, believe that the government owes us these things because we are the citizens that are being governed. 

Or even taking it down a scale, everyone who is able to work might deserve to have a job that they love - but at the very least, all workers are owed a job in which they feel safe. 

Not everyone is going to love their jobs, and most of the time there is no one person or persons to blame for that situation. But the employers who own and run a company are absolutely the ones in charge of making sure that everyone who works for them are kept safe while on the job. So there is a clear example of the difference between something we deserve vs. something we are owed. 

Life is complicated and most of the time we don’t get everything that we deserve to have, and most of that isn’t anyone’s fault. 

Don’t know about the other two asks, but I know that I only send one of them and I’m happy others share my opinion even though you don’t believe it.

We don’t have to start the discussion again, I just have to say, that I will never agree in the “they owe us something”. In my opinion if we feel that, then we are no better than the people who treats them like shit. They owe us nothing and should only do what makes them happy, both in their career and their relationship. And yes I do think they want to come out, but they should do it when they are ready, not because us Larries want it 😊

And I wasn’t the anon referring to the 3 Louis albums, but they are right? Walls, FIFTH and the live album?

Hi, again anon!

It's fine if you disagree. But i also think you confuse owing something and being entitled to something. I'm a larrie first and foremost, their music and career is just a bonus to me. When i entered the fandom they were both screaming that they were closeted, supressed and did not agree with the images that they were given. They communicated to us larries in the ways they could to show that they aren’t who they're portrayed to be. Despite their images, stunting, lies and gaslighting they're throwing at us, and the hate and harrassment by antis, a lot of us are still here supporting them and seeing them for who they are. Why? Because they need our support and for someone to see the real them. It's how they're able to deal with the shit done in their name. If H and L still want us around as support and as a movement who are working for more queer representation in the industry, working to help stop closeting of artists and abuse of artists in general, then they need to acknowledge us larries and show us in the ways they can that they're still fighting for their freedom. If they don't do that, there is litterally no incentive for larries to stay in this fandom. Being an artist and a celebrity is a trade off, you give and you get.

If you think the fan/celebrity relationship is the celebrity doing whatever the fuck they want and every fan going "yaaas, i love it", then you're wrong. The celebrity can do whatever they want, but not without consequence. No sane larrie would stay a larrie and belong to the larry fandom, and deal with gaslighting, lying, fake stunts, being viewed as a conspiracy theorists, and getting daily hate from antis if we didn’t know that the shit times would be worth it in the end, because we will be proven right when H and L comes out. If H and L, who knows what we larries go though in order to support them, suddenly went "nahhh, we don’t want to come out anymore, we make too much money when we lie and gaslight our fandom, and being free and being proud of our sexuality isn't important anymore", then they don't deserve us larries, they don't deserve fans at all.