my fellow black babes: have u or anyone u know ever used nb to mean nonblack? I know my friends and I have never, which is why we're so confused about the nonbinary/nb/enby discourse, which is usually just nonblack people arguingš

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my fellow black babes: have u or anyone u know ever used nb to mean nonblack? I know my friends and I have never, which is why we're so confused about the nonbinary/nb/enby discourse, which is usually just nonblack people arguingš

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sorry but referring to a black woman as a "lightskin fave of the month" and then using phrasing like "non-arab poc" (clearly a ripoff of the term nonblack poc) is like. not cool and frankly overstepping.
apologies for using terms inappropriately. as a mixed indigenous/black/arab poc I make a big effort to be as specific and not antiblack as possible. as I often see non-[race/ethnic identity] poc to refer to specify who was not being referred to (I often see non-asian and non-indigenous, non-amercian as terms in front of poc too) as far as I was aware at the time of posting, it wasn't a phrase formula specifically for "nonblack poc" so I'm sorry for my ignorance in phrasing.
however, I will not apologise for using the term "lightskinned fave" as I was using it with the purpose of pointing out Hollywood's colourism in casting those specific actors in big budget films repeatedly because of their proximity to whiteness, a fact most of those actors have spoken about and referred to themselves as, ESPECIALLY zendaya.
so again apologies for my ignorance in relation to the use of non-x poc and thank you for drawing my attention to my mistake. But I'm not sorry for using "lightskinned" as a correct term for calling out institutionalised colourism in Hollywood.
Non is a french word wtf are you on about???
Iām specifically talking about the use of āNonā in relation to Non-Black by Black people to describe people who arenāt Black.
This is a matter of cultural erasure and antiblackness
Yāall need to read up before sending goofy messages
the only people who have a right to debate whether āNBā should stand for nonbinary, nonblack, or both are black nonbinary people, which is why Iām not even going to discuss this until thereās a consensus.
My stance on the ānb means nonblack donāt use it for enbyā thing?
Pretty much yeah, it means nonblack. Tagging thingsĀ ānbā when you mean enby or nonbinary means yer putting irrelevant things in a tag about discussing Black issues.
Black people are not a monolith but if Black folks are saying not to do something it is racist for you to argue with them about whether itās racist or not. Its also really suspect if you go around looking for Black people who disagree on an opinion so you can have a Black endorsed counter card to wave around if you get accused of doing something racist.

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Im getting real tired of the termā nonblack pocā first of all ALWAYS used in a negative way and being lumped in withĀ āwhitiesā and second of all, why would we put together literal dozens of ethnic groups and minorities with one umbrella term like that??? The world isnāt black white and uhh I guess those other people, who arenāt as important so yeah letās just called them nonblack as if that the only important thing. If youāre not black and youāre not white, I guess youāre that thing in between people only use to complain /be negative about or shit on
Hi! I saw this post on facebook about how the abbreviation NB stands for non-black, and enby is what people use for nonbinary people. In regards to sexuality, is there an abbreviation for nonbinary people thatās not NB, and that people commonly use? I know a lot of nonbinary blogs use abbreviations like WLNB, NBLNB, etc. to talk about people who like nonbinary people. Iām asking cause Iām white and nonbinary, and I donāt want to use terms that I shouldnāt. I hope this makes sense!
Hi! I just want to start off by asking that any followers or anybody else reading this please feel free to speak up, correct me, pitch in, etc.Ā
So Iām not black either, so I deep dived and did some searching, as Iād never heard this before. I found one person on twitter saying this and literally no other opinions either way. So I turned to some (black) mutuals to see how they felt about it.
And what I learned is that mileage is going to reallyĀ vary on this. One of my mutuals who has responded so far had no idea about this and how correct the timeline was and also didnāt mind either way.
While it is often (which is probably an understatement) that AAVE is appropriated by, well, anyone and everyone, I personally thinkĀ ānonblackā andĀ ānonbinaryā being shortened toĀ ānbā is a little different than other lingo thatās been appropriated. For example, wlw and mlm started off as black identities for black people to describe themselves at. Now itās so common in the queer/lgbt+ community that itās hard to communicate without using these terms. And, as you pointed out, have even spread to also become wlnb, mlnb, and nblnb. And many black folk who remember the roots of these terms are, of course, understandably upset about how ubiquitous these terms came to be adopted by the community in general. While they can be used to describe a general feeling, wlw and mlm both started off as specific identities that black people could claim.Ā
Then thereās also terms likeĀ āpassingā, which you may recognizing from terms like white passing, straight passing, cis passing, etc. However, AFAIK, the roots of the term passing arose in conjunction with slavery and things like theĀ āone drop ruleā and the basing the census on looks more than ancestry, muddling the already confusing concept of race based on skin color. Itās specifically tied to antiblackness, and today helps describe the different level of treatment poc, specifically black folk, can receive due to colorism. WhereasĀ āpassingā applied to other concepts likeĀ āstraight passingā orĀ ācis passingā... really donāt even make sense and instead of critiquing structures of cisheteronormativity... kinda helps uphold them.
Whereas nonblack is more of a descriptor that cropped up due to the social categorization of race and racial experiences. And nonbinary is a specific identity but not a specific or closed one. And whatās the natural abbreviation of both of these terms? NB. Because the firstĀ āpartā of the word starts withĀ ānā and the secondĀ ābā. And both are logical concepts where ānbā make sense applied to either.Ā Plus, using context, people can easily figure out ifĀ ānbā meansĀ ānonblackā orĀ ānonbinaryā.
To be fair, Iām sureĀ nonblackĀ andĀ nb meaning nonblackĀ certainly did exist before Ā nonbinary and any abbreviations and shortenings. But I thinkĀ ānbā is more of an easy shortening than something that was specifically decided on to mean nonblack and only nonblack. I would definitely see an issue ifĀ nbĀ was not a natural shortening for nonbinary or if using nb to mean nonbinary detracted from discussions of black vs nonblack experiences.
That being said, of course, if someone doesnāt like nb to mean nonbinary for these reasons, then it would be respectful to, at the very least, not use nb like that around them. And if you want to not use nb to mean nonbinary ever to be safe and respectful, thatās a very respectful decision.Ā
However, please do notĀ useĀ āenbyā as an alternative to nb for all nonbinary people. Enby is a fairly divisive term. While I personally think itās cute, in my experience, most nonbinary people actually do not like the term applied to them and many donāt even like seeing used (though most respect if someone wants to use it for themself). Many consider it too cutesy for what nonbinary means and stands for and others believe it obfuscates the meaning of nonbinary too much (probably with similar arguments against using nb to mean nonbinary). So itās fine to useĀ āenbyā personally for yourself and others who are okay with it, but itās absolutely not a widely accepted umbrella term.
So if you want to drop nb as nonbinary altogether, then I would suggest just using the full label: nonbinary. Alternatively, you can work on another shortening. NBY (all the letters pronounced, not phonetically sounded out) might sound/look the best if you want to try and start spreading it but expect that youāll run into a lot of people who donāt automatically recognize or place the abbreviation, as nb is the abbreviation that is pretty common and well known.
But as I said, Iām certainly not an authority here. Other opinions would be welcome!
~Tera
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