#httyd lore

In the Book Of Dragons it is established that the Boulder Class dragon the Whispering Deaths likes having their teeth brushed by others. It also seems to be implied to be one of many way to train a Whispering Death. Written by Eris the Lorekeeper

Hello, my fellow Furians, and welcome to another HTTYD lore article. Today we'll be talking about something that I've been wondering about for the last few years. I had meant to write this a while ago but just never got around to it.

Keep in mind that this could very well be wrong since there's just so many gaps and missing links concerning Gobber's past. But this is simply an observation I've noticed and just want to humbly share with the rest of you.

In the Riders of Berk episode "How to Pick Your Dragon", Stoick says this after Hiccup asks this question:

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Stoick: A friend, huh? Like me and Gobber? Hiccup: Yeah, perfect. What did you do when you two met? Stoick: That's my wife you're talking to, you one-legged lout!

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From this conversation, two clues can be ascertained. One, that the first time they met, Stoick had to tell him whose wife it was, when, if Gobber had been a native, he should have already known since weddings were community events. Two, Gobber was one-legged already when they had met.

And then there's the fact that that was their first meeting. If Gobber had been a Berkian native, then Stoick, the chief's son, would've known him almost from the beginning, despite them being 5 years apart.

What's interesting is that in the "Legend of the Bonenapper" short film, Gobber tells the gang of his misadventures in his younger days — exaggerated they may be. Throughout the entire franchise, most of his stories had him outside of Berk and around the Archipelago.

He may have been a wanderer who couldn't settle anywhere for long on account of him always being chased by the Bonenapper for the "treasure". He eventually settled on Berk, and after some decades, felt that he had finally escaped it, only for it to come again in the film. It's also noticeable that nobody believes Gobber when he says that the Bonenapper is after him (of course, it didn't help that Gobber always changes his stories the more he tells them).

Again, we have to take some of it with a few grains of salt on account of his history of telling tall tales. However, that doesn't take away the fact that Gobber and Stoick didn't know each other in their younger days. In "Cast Out" Gobber tells Hiccup about Alvin and Stoick's relationship as if he had heard it second-hand from either Stoick or somebody else, rather than as a bystander who witnessed those events with his own eyes.

Another theory could be that Gobber was Berkian but was gone a lot due to visiting external family or his family wanted to be away from the dragon raids until their son was older. Could be also that Gobber had the travel bug and enjoyed visiting other places. Who knows. 🤷‍♂️

What do you guys think? Think my theory is plausible? Let me know what ideas you may have about Gobber's origins.

Long Live the Night!

Hello, my fellow Dragonmarkers! It's been awhile! As promised, here's the article concerning the plausible timeline of the Kingdom of the Wilderwest. This article was actually a very old one of mine that I had written during this month in 2018. Why didn't I post it on here? Because I wasn't on Tumblr until 2020. And by then, I had forgotten to post this on here. Whoops. Teehee. 😜

When did Hiccup the First end the First Human-Dragon War and built the First Kingdom of the Wilderwest?

Many fans just go with what Wodensfang says in Book 11, supporting the 1000-Year Dynasty mentioned in Book 11 rather than the 500-700-Year Dynasty suggested in Book 9. In fact, it's everywhere in the HTTYD Wiki. I guess it's because fans view Book 11 to be more accurate because it's a later book? I don't know; maybe I'm thinking too hard about this.

But I want to talk through this and thoroughly go through the pros and cons of both sides of the argument and do this right. I'd love to know what you guys think about this.

Anyway, on to the topic!  

Possible Contradiction?:

In the First Book — the Book that we're all familiar with — in Chapter 6, Page 68, says that:

"The Dragon (speaking of the Green Death) had crawled down into the depths of the ocean and had gone into a Sleep Coma. Dragons can stay in this suspended state for eternity, half-dead, half-alive, buried under fathom after fathom of icy-cold seawater. Not a muscle of this particular Dragon had moved for six or seven centuries."

Wodensfang's account of Hiccup the First in Book 9 "How to Steal a Dragon's Sword", on Chapter 12, Page 203, seems to probably confirm this when he says: "Five or six centuries ago, when I was young, it was a very dark age, and the dragons and humans were at war."

He goes on further explanation in Page 208 concerning the Green Death: "...Merciless flew to the north, and to the Open Sea. He lived so long a loner that perhaps over the centuries he forgot his youth as leader of a dragon army and became quite an ordinary killer. Rumor was that several hundred years later, he was known only as the Green Death, one of the many monsters that terrorize the Deep Sea."

So you're probably saying, "Great! There it is! There's your answer! It was 600-700 years ago! Problem solved, right?"

Wrong.

In Book 11 "How to Betray a Dragon's Hero", on Chapter 6, Page 98, Wodensfang tells the story of how the Dragonmark came to be, as well as a more detailed history of the Kingdom of the Wilderwest and the story of Grimbeard the Ghastly as a boy, and how he changed the Mark. 

He says at the beginning of the story: "Once upon a time, Hiccup, a thousand or so years ago, when I was young and about the size of a Saber-Toothed Driver Dragon, I met your ancestor, Hiccup Horrendous Haddock the First, and I gave him the Dragon Jewel and trusted him with the Jewel's Secret."

In Page 100, Wodensfang repeats this by saying: "For over a thousand years, it seemed like I had made the right decision to entrust the Secret of the Dragon Jewel to the humans."

I know right? I'm as confused as you are! Didn't he say in Book 9 that it was "five or six centuries ago"? Maybe even SEVEN centuries ago? Why the change? Did he suddenly get the Dragon equivalent of memory loss due to old age? Does he not know how to count?

Here's the confusing thing: if he was rounding, this might explain it. But the thing is that you can do it with small numbers, but as the number gets bigger, you can't round up in great jumps.

Gonna @useless-moss for this since you enjoy these

Krogan’s full name is Kro’gæntan Aeros Astæral, of which his true first name, Aeros, is only to be used by close friends, family, and significant others. Kro’gæntan, the first name, would typically only used by his parents. Astæral, is his last name, his clan name, or pack name, considering how he is from a long line of Night Fury LycanWings, and he himself has scales on his back, arms, and legs of a night fury. He has roughly 76% blood content of lycanwing in him, his parents were both mostly lycanwings.

Krogan’s Mother, is known as *Nay’ata* or “mother” in his mother tongue, and his father is *Tas’u* “Father.” I’m still kind of going through and developing important words in his mother tongue, but that is what I have so far.

Krogan’s people’s names can have multiple meanings, for example, Kro’gæntan means, roughly, “He Who Bathes in Gold”, however going off of his entire name, Kro’gæntan Aeros Astæral, his name means “Star Who Bathes in Golden Rays”.

Krogan’s people are known as the An’dusu’ani, or The Peoples of the Golden River Basin, named after where they had settled, and their language is a very complex, diverse language that can be both very hard to learn and difficult to replicate and understand due to its complete isolation from the surrounding region’s people. Though in his culture, his people are naturally skilled artisans, in physical paintings, sculptures, and textiles, and are very skilled at learning languages other than their own due to a very large amount of the population being lycanwings or lycanwing descendants.

His people are also known for their skills in medicine, and are, in a lot of cases, a very peaceful and neutral race. In fact, unless they themselves are threatened, there is a high likelihood that they will never join a war unless their allies or they themselves are provoked. In which case, their rules for peace are completely stripped for the offending party. At the end of the battle after it is over, they will tend to the opposing sides foot soldiers due to the fact that in most cases the foot soldiers are there not by choice.

Due to their brutal fighting skills, despite being peaceful for the most part, a common slur used against Krogan himself is “mud skinned savage”, or “Bloodclaw,” these two things was and are flung at him commonly, especially by Drago after he had failed the man.

Krogan himself goes by Krogan, due to the fact that Drago decided the shortening of his name is far more threatening than that of his true name.

As of current, Krogan thinks he is the last of his kind. Of his people. Of his race. He is alone in the world, and as of race to the edge season 6 it has been roughly twenty years since he has ever seen any of his people, let alone his own kin as he was stolen as a boy and his family was slaughtered with the rest of his village.

For the time being, he is alone. His father is still alive, in his forties now, as well as a few refugees of his home village, however his Father has been trying to track him down. Most attempts have been unsuccessful.

Strike: Night Fury. Least aggressive, easily trained, very playful.

Stoker: Monstrous Nightmare. They enjoy being wrestled. While it would be easier to win against, say, a Night Terror, imagine the emotional cost.

Tidal: Thunderdrum. Only one that probably won't kill you for attempting to do so (but may temporarily deafen you).

Boulder: Gronkle. Most Boulder class Dragons are either super aggressive or so big they could sit on you and it would be no fun at all.

Sharp: Either a Scuttleclaw or a Raincutter. All other Sharp class Dragons are too sharp/bitey/venomous.

Tracker: Mudraker. Very playful, not armed with a permanent-injury-causing tail weapon.

So I have a problem with Toothless gaining the power to draw in lightning onto his back, and use it to go invisible and shoot out lightning attacks.

This was a power that seemed unnecessary and only given to Toothless for a few reasons. One being to give Toothless a new power for the new film because he is the mascot dragon. But second it was probably done to take the "unholy offspring of lightning and death itself" literally.

Soooo… I the first part of this that doesn't work is the fact that Night furies don't need to go be able to go invisible, as show in the first film their bluish black coloration makes it where they blend into the night sky. Also, as I made clear in my rant, the Light Fury was primarily designed as well the girl dragon and really has nothing else going for it. But the species was given a unique ability to go invisible using their reflective scales reaction to heat. However, this one unique trait is undermined by the fact that Night Furies can use them too.

The second problem is that Toothless didn't need such a power boost, let alone a lightning one. First off, the lightning part in the phrase is in reference to how the plasma blasts look like lightning in a cloudy or night sky. But second, this basically is stealing the power of the other speed class dragon that can keep up with Night Furies, the Skrill. The Skrill is a dragon that is treated as almost as rare as a Night Fury, and it's special ability being the fact is can draw lightning from the sky. And by giving Night Furies the ability to do the exact same thing makes the Skrill seem less unique and special.

One final problem is it didn't make sense as a new ability. The spliting scales thing for example was something Toothless simply hadn't discovered he could do, and doesn't add too much to Tootheless. Meanwhile the addition of the echolocation ability made sense because Night Furies would primarily be active at Night, and them having echolocation to help them navigate the night sky makes sense. Written By Eris

So there is a problem with the Deathgripper than many people aren't really aware of, but was the intentions of the creators of the third film. And it's that they were meant to be evil.

Now you may be questioning why would this be the case. Well…. On page 109 of The Art of How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World, we get this description for the Deathgrippers. "This is the first movie where we got to think about creating 'bad' dragons….." "But when a bad human comes into the picture someone like Grimmel he can turn evil dragons into something worse. The Deathgrippers are being controlled, but they were not very nice to start with. It was an interesting opportunity to dig into an evil-looking dragon and so much fun to see them evolve."

Sssoooo…. They not only designed the Deathgrippers to like evil, but also intended for them to be evil dragons who aren't nice. So, if you at all have seen my paleo media blog, I have post on there talk about how Jurassic World introduce a thing called breedism through the Indominus Rex. I use breedism as the term because it's the closest thing to what I'm talking about.

The Deathgrippers as evil dragons is playing essentialist thinking, and plays into by have them as just inherently evil by what they are. With Grimmel calling them dragon killers seeming to play into the inherently evil dragons bit.

Aside, from playing with some dangerous ideas this idea of evil dragons is just wrong in the httyd series, and goes against it's themes.

First off we have seen many dragon killers before as several dragons we have seen are willingly to hunt and eat other dragons, they are all just animals. The Scauldron and Death Song are both dragons that will hunt and eat other dragons. Meanwhile ones like the Cavern Crasher will eat the combs of Fireworms bringing about harm on the Fireworms. Even the the Red Death eats other dragons, and while it had to be dealt with it was never called evil. The Red Death was just doing what it normally does. Heck, even Drago's Bewilderbeast wasn't evil but was just doing bad things under Drago's command.

By extension the first film was all about the idea of the dragons no being evil, and that they were all misunderstood. With the second film making it clear the dragons aren't evil as Valka says. "Good dragons under the control of bad people, do bad things."

What should have been done was that while they look evil, and that they dragons that will hunt other dragons. None of this evil dragons stuff. Overall, the Deathgrippers were done dirty. Written by Eris