What if Snotlout Had Lost the Thawfest Games? (HTTYD Theory)
Well met, my fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD post! Today, we'll be doing another Snotlout post, and today's topic is about something that I've had for a long time but am only now writing about.
What would happen if Hiccup had won? And what would happen if Snotlout had lost the Thawfest Games?
I had watched the "Thawfest" episode multiple times and every time I did, I had always asked myself these two questions.
And, of course, every time I watched this, this scene would pop up:
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Spitelout: Did you ever hear the story of when I almost lost the Thawfest Games?
Snotlout: No. I never did.
Spitelout: That's right. Because IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!
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Spitelout: No Jorgenson has ever come close to losing the Thawfest Games. Don't you be the first.
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This scene was interesting. Not only does it reek of fanatic Sports Dad vibes, but he's also threatening Snotlout and demanding that he comes out on top.
Personally, I highly doubt that the Jorgensons have won EVERY SINGLE Thawfest Games in Berk's history. I suspect this is just a myth stated in Spitelout's delusional grandeur to spur Snotlout into winning the games. What I DO believe, however, is that Spitelout has won every Thawfest Game in HIS youth, as Snotlout has. Maybe even their grandfather??? I don't know. We know next to nothing about Berkian history, so it's all speculation and headcanons for us weebs. 🤓😢
Needless to say, Snotlout is under a lot of pressure, and Spitelout is in a stormy mood at the moment. And his threat to his son seemed to imply that, should Snotlout lose, all Helheim would break loose.
Now, what would this entail?
Well, if you want to keep it PG-13: grounding, spanking, taking his favorite weapons, throwing all his medals in the trash... anything petty that I can see Spitelout doing.
If you want it dark and edgy: abuse, disinheritance, or even disownment.
Now, you're probably thinking, what's the difference between being disinherited and disowned? Simple: being disinherited means losing your piece of the pie in the family's wealth. And since Snotlout was the only son, he'd get the lion's share of it as the next Head of the family. Being disowned means the complete severing of familial ties and Snotlout would no longer be a Jorgenson and wouldn't have a family cell to support him; he'd be left to his own devices. In Viking society, that is a BIG deal.
Now, would Spitelout even go as far as to disinherit or even disown his own son? Mmm... unlikely. As far as we know, Snotlout is the only male in Spitelout's core family, so unless Spitelout hands the heir title over to a relative, it's doubtful that Spitelout would even do such a thing even if he were super furious. Plus, I also doubt that Snotlout's mother would allow Spitelout to go that far.
So honestly, abuse would be the more likely outcome, and could explain Snotlout looking to be in utter terror in this next scene:
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Snotlout: [Whimpers] I can't lose. I can't lose. I can't lose, I can't lose!
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Of course, I could very well be wrong and Spitelout WOULD disinherit or disown his son. We just don't know since that event never happened and Hiccup stupidly gave up his winning spot for the idiot.
Now, here's my headcanon.
My Headcanon
Snotlout loses the Thawfest Games, and Hiccup becomes the winner, being the first person in decades who's not a Jorgenson to win the Thawfest Medal.
Snotlout is then left to deal with the thundering storm that is his father, Spitelout, who storms off back to their Hall. When evening falls, Snotlout deals with Spitelout's curses, tirades, and physical and verbal abuse.
Hookfang, seeing that his master is being harmed by his father comes to the rescue and attacks Spitelout, either injuring him or even killing him.
Because of this incident, Snotlout is forced to leave Berk in exile with Hookfang until things can be settled. Which kinda fits the theme of the "Cast Out" episodes in Defenders of Berk.
Conclusion
So yeah, that's my theory and headcanon. What do you guys think? Think any of this is possible? Or do you have your own theories and headcanons? Please share! I can't wait to see what you guys come up with! 😀
Thanks for reading this and I hope you have a marvelous Wednesday!
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What do you think happened to Savage after "Something Rotten on Berserker Island"? Is he still imprisoned, has he been executed, or was he banished? I have a headcanon that Savage was either banished or managed to escape imprisonment along with his cronies and he formed his own "Tribe" with him as their Chief. Do you think that's plausible?
Oh goodness, I wish I could answer this off the top of my head! It’s been forever since I watched rtte.
I think your headcanon is totally plausible, though! I don’t rememberrrrr getting the sense that Savage died. I like the idea of Savage going out, getting cronies, and starting his own thing. The guy seems like he’s going to want to keep going in the villain direction, and if others he’s worked with aren’t up to his standards anymore, he might finally step up and quit being the second-in-command behind the scenes. He’s determined enough to do The Villaining That Needs To Be Done himself.
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Hiccup pulled back his hand that was holding the betrothal gift, hurt and stung.
“You don’t want to get married to me?” Hiccup asked Heather. She’d taken a step back from him.
“I-I don’t think I’m ready for that kind of commitment.” Heather’s voice was quiet, like she hadn’t wanted to hurt him. But she had.
“Heather, we’ve been together for years,” Hiccup said. “Don’t you think it’s time we tied the knot?”
“Hiccup, you know how I am about things like this. It’s just… a lot.”
Hiccup tossed his betrothal gift on the floor in front of her. “Fine. I’m leaving that with you. If you take it, we’ll get married. If not… we won’t.” Hiccup turned and left, and he did his best not to slam the door behind him.
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@koalas-koalas-everywhere : To be fair on most of the Dragon species, they've had to defend themselves from Vikings trying to kill them for over 300 years. Sooo... do with that what you will. Also, you won't find the Berkians with their dragons in the TV series. You'll only find them in the films, where most, if not all, Berkians have a dragon companion of their own.
To be fair on everyone, it was probably the Red Death’s fault. Although, it does make you wonder about Outcast Island, since dragons there practically had the place under siege. And, of course, the Dragon Hunters, who it looks like I’ll have to admit are actually a tribe *sigh*. Literally the only one who calls it a tribe is the guy who’ll have someone tortured/killed for not telling him what he does with the inventory and treats it more like a business than anything else, but oh well.
I totally forgot about that lol. You’re right.
(Why they don't ride on their dragons like the Gang is a mystery. Realistically, they should. They could've gotten rid of their enemies a long time ago if they did.)
Maybe it’s harder than it looks? In Team Astrid, she had the trainees train on the ground, “riding” brooms, before they even got their dragons. Could be that while general companionship is easier to achieve, flying them in any productive way takes skill and those people Snotlout was training at the end of httyd1 crashed off-screen two seconds later. We do tend to see only the most capable people riding them in the series (the main cast + Heather, Dagur, Stoick, even Gobber’s only seen flying Grump when they leave the island in Last Auction Hero - he doesn’t even do it during Wings of War Part Two). Could be that the skillset to fly them in any way more complicated than “go from here to there”, like in thw, takes more skill than even most vikings can manage.
Besides, by ROB they’re still flipping out about the most obvious things, like “*le gasp* they protected us without being told!!!1!!1!11!”, even Hiccup! It was a learning curve.
Well met, my fellow Furians! Today, we'll dive into a topic I've been sitting on for years since the show, particularly Season 6, back in 2018.
Did Viggo really die in "Triple Cross"?
Thankfully, several other people have had this suspicion besides me, from what I saw after googling it.
There's @kingofthewilderwest 's post here, though it's about Season 4, I feel it applies well here. There's also a discussion thread about Viggo's death on the HTTYD Wiki here if you feel like checking it out.
But I found it really odd that Viggo "died" so anti-climatically when he survived a BLOODY VOLCANO!!! (That still ticks me off, by the way.)
What makes it stranger is that we see Viggo acting injured in this scene when Hiccup turns to Viggo.
And what happens after Hiccup leaves? Viggo straightens, drops the facade, and does THIS:
I mean look at this mad-lad WALKING AND CHARGING like nothing had happened to him!!! It's absurd!
And those arrows didn't look like they went all that deep. Which, when you think about it, makes sense. After all, there's no way Viggo wouldn't have arrow-resistant armor. Being the Chieftain of Dragon Hunters, his armor is probably mostly made of dragon materials. His cuirass is likely made of some tough dragon material, specifically made to repel any assassination attempts. Someone in his position must've had a lot of assassination attempts and even mutinies. Either that or Viggo is just extremely careful and wants to make sure every precaution is taken to ensure his safety and life.
Of course, the Skrill's fire blast might've killed him, but considering that we never see his death, we haven't seen a body, and the fact Krogan and Johann never mentioned it must mean that Viggo is actually alive.
Allow me to explain how this could be possible.
Viggolocks and the Three Accomplices
As you know, there is a special meaning to "Triple Cross". Not only is it encompassing the double-cross by Krogan and Johann against Viggo, but also the triple-cross Viggo did against them.
However, there's also another reason:
The Accomplices!
In this episode, when Hiccup met Viggo, the latter had this to say:
"The Accomplice. One of the most important pieces in all of Maces and Talons, allowing a player to use an opponent's piece for their own ends. You can certainly win without it; but with it, you can attain total victory."
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This entire episode's theme is about accomplices. In fact, it's accomplices who are the episode's catalyst.
How many? Three.
Yes, that's right. THREE!
Hiccup is the first accomplice, obviously.
Who's the second?
A Skrill. Viggo drags Hiccup along to a very cold and snowy place (my theory and headcanon is someplace around the Shivering Shores), and uses a shiny dagger to attract a Skrill to him.
But why a Skrill? Viggo explains this to Hiccup in this scene:
"In ancient times, the Singetail was one of the most feared dragons. However, there was one dragon, whose powerful blast could neutralize the Singetail's fire. Meet our Accomplice, Hiccup. The Singetail's only predator: the Skrill."
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Krogan's Flyers were guarding the Hunter base where the Dragon Eye was located. As such, having a Skrill — the Singetails' natural predator and only enemy — on their side was essential to their plan, even if it was just to be a distraction.
However, there was one more accomplice — a third accomplice — who might have possibly been involved that Hiccup (and perhaps even Viggo) didn't know was involved in their little scheme.
This guy, in Season 5's "Wings of War".
Honestly, I truly view this to be an abysmal display of teasing us with a plot point, only to not do anything with it! Seriously! What a waste of a good plot device! 😤💢😠
Or is it? 👀🤔
When he and Viggo dived into the volcano in Dragon's Edge, he almost fell off the ledge and into the volcano (even though, in reality, it's impossible to be anywhere near a volcano without dying from one thing or another 😑).
However, Viggo saved him from dying, causing the Hunter Goon to say this:
Dragon Hunter: I owe you my life!
Viggo: Perhaps someday you will repay me in some small way.
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Bear in mind, Viggo didn't do this out of the goodness of his heart. He needed an ally — or an accomplice, in this case — who he could use in the tentative ally-cum-rival's camp. And saving his life was a great way to hook him into doing whatever he wanted him to do.
Thus, it is entirely possible that Viggo recruited him to take part in this scheme, fully intending to escape, take back his Hunters, and go to other lands to continue his empire.
In fact, what's interesting is the expression of this Hunter in this scene below.
Of course, as you know, from the earlier GIFs, it could just be that he was surprised at Viggo charging at him. But you never know.
Of course, one could point out that the Hunter might've already paid Viggo back by interrupting Viggo (and thus Krogan's attempt at assassinating him) in "Wings of War". However, I find that to be a flimsy rebuttal, and I don't believe that Viggo would let that slide and would argue that he already knew of Krogan's scheme, and thus, would insist that the Hunter still owed him.
Conclusion
Therefore, it is my conclusion — along with my theory and headcanon — that Viggo survived this confrontation. Albeit injured, he is saved by the Hunter whose life he redeemed for his own use as the unknown accomplice (to Hiccup) for his plans, and helped him escape Krogan and Johann, where they go to some isolated place to heal. And later, Viggo would gather the remnants of the Hunters, reunite with his Tribe, and sail to distant lands, as he had promised Hiccup.
What do you guys think? Do you think it's plausible? Did you also think it unlikely that Viggo perished in this episode? Let me know your thoughts!
Thanks for reading! Hope you have a wonderful weekend!
