Hello, my fellow Furians, and welcome to another HTTYD lore article. Today we'll be talking about something that I've been wondering about for the last few years. I had meant to write this a while ago but just never got around to it.
Keep in mind that this could very well be wrong since there's just so many gaps and missing links concerning Gobber's past. But this is simply an observation I've noticed and just want to humbly share with the rest of you.
In the Riders of Berk episode "How to Pick Your Dragon", Stoick says this after Hiccup asks this question:
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Stoick: A friend, huh? Like me and Gobber?
Hiccup: Yeah, perfect. What did you do when you two met?
Stoick: That's my wife you're talking to, you one-legged lout!
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From this conversation, two clues can be ascertained. One, that the first time they met, Stoick had to tell him whose wife it was, when, if Gobber had been a native, he should have already known since weddings were community events. Two, Gobber was one-legged already when they had met.
And then there's the fact that that was their first meeting. If Gobber had been a Berkian native, then Stoick, the chief's son, would've known him almost from the beginning, despite them being 5 years apart.
What's interesting is that in the "Legend of the Bonenapper" short film, Gobber tells the gang of his misadventures in his younger days — exaggerated they may be. Throughout the entire franchise, most of his stories had him outside of Berk and around the Archipelago.
He may have been a wanderer who couldn't settle anywhere for long on account of him always being chased by the Bonenapper for the "treasure". He eventually settled on Berk, and after some decades, felt that he had finally escaped it, only for it to come again in the film. It's also noticeable that nobody believes Gobber when he says that the Bonenapper is after him (of course, it didn't help that Gobber always changes his stories the more he tells them).
Again, we have to take some of it with a few grains of salt on account of his history of telling tall tales. However, that doesn't take away the fact that Gobber and Stoick didn't know each other in their younger days. In "Cast Out" Gobber tells Hiccup about Alvin and Stoick's relationship as if he had heard it second-hand from either Stoick or somebody else, rather than as a bystander who witnessed those events with his own eyes.
Another theory could be that Gobber was Berkian but was gone a lot due to visiting external family or his family wanted to be away from the dragon raids until their son was older. Could be also that Gobber had the travel bug and enjoyed visiting other places. Who knows. 🤷‍♂️
What do you guys think? Think my theory is plausible? Let me know what ideas you may have about Gobber's origins.
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After Redemption, Will the Outcasts Remain an Independent Tribe, or Will They Join Berk? (HTTYD / RTTE)
Hello, my fellow Furians! Welcome to another HTTYD article. We'll be diving into another Outcast question today.
After reconciling with Berk and defeating Dagur's forces, would Alvin and his Outcasts JOIN Berk and become a permanent part of their community — essentially getting absorbed — or would they remain as an independent Tribe, allies but not subordinates?
The short answer? No, they would remain independent allies of Berk.
Long answer? Well, we'll be getting into that in this article.
As you know from my previous article, you'll know that I have a hard time believing that Outcast Island is their only island, as, at best, it's good only as a forward base for raiding or resupply, or even as a prison. But as a place to grow food and raise families, no, it's impossible. So I suspect they have another island somewhere, albeit smaller than Berk. Or perhaps they find a better island for themselves after the events of Defenders of Berk.
However, we mustn't ever forget that they are OUTCASTS. A Tribe full of outcasts, outlaws, criminals, murderers, pirates, rebels, traitors, and political and religious rivals. Even if the feud between them and Berk is over, it doesn't mean that they cease being outcasts and pirates. After all, Berk wasn't the ONLY enemy that the Outcasts made for themselves. In reality, by becoming an Outcast, everyone becomes your enemy. The pursuit of your head becomes a free-for-all. So, until a certain high-rank individual approves, the Outcasts must always attack, and others must attack them until they become legitimate or perish.
So, as a result, Berk cannot absorb them without themselves being under scrutiny by the other Tribes. Also, as I've said, many of the Outcasts are murderers, criminals, thieves, pirates, etc, so there'll definitely be those who won't have any desire to live with the Berkians, and vice versa. After all, there are a few reasons why many Outcasts joined Dagur and stayed with him despite Alvin having shown himself still alive. The Outcasts aren't a monolithic and united "tribe," but a motley blending of various persons from various walks of life and of various personalities.
In fact, in Episode 1 of Race to the Edge, "The Dragon Eye of the Beholder," there were Outcast traitor(s) who helped Dagur escape from Outcast Island. And there were Outcast prisoners who were in cells along with Dagur and his Berserkers. Which means that there are Outcasts who refuse to adhere to Alvin's authority and obey his orders. I also suspect that several of them disapproved of Alvin's change in policy concerning Berk. I wouldn't even be surprised if there were some who left Outcast Island for other hunting grounds.
So I cannot think of any situation that could realistically incorporate the Outcasts into the Hooligan Tribe successfully without negative or even fatal consequences.
The only way I could see Berkians and Outcasts conjoining together into one mega-tribe is for survival's sake. Or the Berkians became Outcasts themselves — an alternate universe where the other Viking Tribes, upon hearing that Berk befriends and rides dragons, remember Drago, and declare Berk a Tribe of Outcasts, and declare war on them.
Aside from some Outcasts with families possibly wanting to migrate to Berk, I believe the Outcasts will remain an independent community and find themselves an island they can live on properly with Outcast Island as their outpost/prison. And as shown in Race to the Edge, the Outcasts became staunch allies for Berk against Dagur's forces (who were also Outcasts) and the Dragon Hunters.
Assuming, of course, there was a more realistic reason to abandon Berk (aside from the nonsense we got in "Hidden World"), such as... an earthquake or volcano or some other trouble, or perhaps they wanted to live on a larger island, I believe that they could've left Berk to Alvin and his Incasts, ironically fulfilling Alvin's once-held ambition and goal from his Outcast days, having once been a Berkian himself.
What do you guys think? Let me know in the comments or in your reblogs. The Outcast Tribe is always a wonderful topic to write about. I think there's probably one more article left for the Outcasts I'll write for before I move on to the Berserkers next.
Thank you for reading. I hope you have a wonderful Monday.
The Story Behind the Portraits (A HTTYD/Riders of Berk Theory)
Hello, my fellow Furians! And welcome to another HTTYD article!
Today, we’ll be diving into the background and mystery behind the Portraits of the Chieftains and their Heirs!
This is a continuation, sequel, and expansion of my original post here.
We know very little about Berkian history aside from the fact that Berk has been around for 7 generations (8 if you include the Gang... maybe?) and that Berk celebrated their 400th Anniversary (more on that in my previous article here).
Other events and people in Berkian history that were mentioned were the Dragon Wars (for 300 years), the Berserker Wars (during Stoick’s father’s and grandfather’s time), the skirmishes with the Outcasts, the Rise of Alvin the Treacherous, even about the fame of Hamish the First. There are mentions of other noteworthy people that were part of Berk’s history (at least, I assume they’re part of Berkian history since Fishlegs mentions them), but to regale you of them when I haven’t watched the series in a while isn’t worth it.
However, there is one glaring absence among the row of portraits on the wall: there is no portrait of Hamish the Second and his son. Why?
Let us go through the events of the Riders of Berk episode “Portrait of Hiccup as a Buff Man” to find out, since that is where we will receive the story of Hiccup the Second.
We know that Hamish the First was a famous chieftain in Berkian history, said by Fishlegs to have been: “the most successful and wealthiest chieftain in Berk’s history, who amassed a fabulous and massive treasury.”Â
However, there may be some conflict over who was actually Hamish the First, since according to the Wiki, the blonde Viking is NOT Hamish the First, but actually the first portrait on the wall, the dark-haired Viking, and that Hamish the Second was named after him.
Of course, I’m not sure if the animation error is true or not. If Hamish the First, according to the Wiki, truly was the first chieftain to take his portrait in this, then it doesn’t make sense that Hamish the Second would put the treasury spanning from the First Chieftain into a secret place several generations later. But could it be that his (the first chieftain’s) son is really Hamish the Second?
I don’t know. It’s difficult to tell. I’ll leave that to you guys, and I’ll think about it a little more. I might even write another article about this apparent discrepancy.
While it may be a stretch, it's possible that Hamish the Second switched the portraits and that the first chieftain’s portrait was actually the portrait posing as the two Hamishes (the blonds) while the true portrait of the Hamishes was put into the First Chieftain’s portrait spot.
Anyway, back to Hamish the Second’s background.
After leaving behind a literal golden and colorful legacy, Hamish the First stepped down (or died), leaving Hamish the Second to succeed him as the 5th-Generation Chieftain of Berk. After that, he hid the majority of his father’s treasure hoards and created the labyrinth and riddles for the next “hiccup” to find in the future. We don’t know the later events or accomplishments of his reign — or anything else about him, for that matter — before the succession of either Stoick’s grandfather or father.
But here’s where it’s gets even more hazy.
The Case of the Missing Portraits
If you count all of the portraits in total, there are only SIX of them, including Hiccup’s portrait! We’re missing Hamish the Second’s portrait with his son.
Where is it? What happened to it? Why is it missing?!
In the intro to the HTTYD 1 film, Hiccup stated that they have lived on Berk for “seven generations,” so whether you include his own generation as the 7th generation, or if the 7th generation is Stoick’s generation while Hiccup’s generation is the 8th is its own topic altogether.
Though you could argue that only Hamish the Second's portrait is missing, since if you HAD included that, it would've been 7 generations of portraits, including Hiccup's portrait with Stoick, and, even IF Hiccup was the 8th generation instead of the 7th, there wouldn't be an 8th portrait until the coming-of-age of Hiccup's OWN children.
We get an interesting hint by Fishlegs as they observe the line of portraits:
So according to him, Hiccup is one of the “few” who wasn’t killed by their successors — which usually implies that regicide was somewhat commonplace. Of course, “few” could just imply more than 3-4 individuals, and it’s possible that only a few in their history were actually killed by their successor.
Another theory is that Fishlegs is talking about successors and predecessors in general throughout the Archipelago in all of Viking history.
It’s not really stated what “the elite few” is referencing, whether it’s concerning the Berkian chieftain bloodline, or is including the chieftain bloodlines of other Tribes as well.
What do you guys think?
At any rate, let’s start with Hamish the Second.
Hamish the Second
Hamish the Second is definitely a curious individual in Berkian history, shown to be a nod to Grimbeard the Ghastly's son, Hiccup the Second, in the Books. Both are friends to dragons, both were Runts, both loved their fathers despite their grievances, and both their fathers were successful pirates who collecting a massive hoard of treasures.
Since after his father's death, Hamish the Second, being a brilliant engineer and nasty trapper and riddler, used his (presumedly) secret relationship with dragons to build a massive complex to hide his father's treasure (most likely due to the infighting over the said treasure, as was seen in HTTYD Book 2) and protect it from thieves and raiders.
That was his first job and project as the 5th(?) Chieftain of Berk.
So, if Hamish II became the next Chief, what happened to him and why isn't there a portrait of himself with his own son?
Well, we simply don't know, unfortunately. There are some theories and plausibilities that could explain its disappearance.
1. Hamish, much like his Book counterpart, perished at a young age — most likely as the victim of what Fishlegs mentioned as "being one of those killed by their successor."
2. Hamish could've died as a result of an accident, disease, injuries, battle, or even a shipwreck or a storm.
3. Hamish's secret of befriending dragons could've been discovered and was either killed or exiled for "betraying Berk". (Of course, this is assuming that Berk hadn't tamed dragons back then since Hamish the First obviously had time to raid and pillage to get this massive hoard of treasure without much problems with dragon raids. And the flashback with Stoick and Hiccup in HTTYD 2 and HTTYD 3 seem to support that.)
4. Hamish could've been killed or forced to leave due to people seeking his father's treasure.
5. Hamish could've had a son but, like Thugheart from the Books, decided to overthrow Hamish II and got rid of him.
6. Hamish, not wanting to endanger his dragon friends, pulled a Valka-move and either made it look like dragons killed him, or, like what Hiccup tried to do in HTTYD 1, decided to quietly leave Berk without telling anyone.
There might be more, but those are the main ones.
Heck, perhaps even one of these two portraits IS Hamish the Second and his son, presumedly Stoick's grandfather. Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
At any rate, for any or a combination of these reasons, this resulted in a tragic early death before having an heir, or he did have an heir but died before his son came of-age, thus the portrait couldn't be made.
Considering Hamish the Second is based off of Hiccup the Second from the Books, let's just assume the chieftainship was left vacant after his disappearance, for whatever reason it may be.
Of course, if this is true, does this simply mean that the portraits got switched? If so, then we can continue with the theory that a relative of Hamish the Second, Stoick's grandfather or father, became the new Chief of Berk — assuming there wasn't an upstart before that who tried to take advantage and take the throne for himself.
This would effectively make Stoick's family a new dynasty, even if they're part of the same family. Assuming that they're not just a family of Vikings that the residents voted in and that the official line of Berk ended with Hamish the Second.
If it's TRUE that the Hamishes WERE, in fact, the FIRST and SECOND Chiefs of Berk, then that would change things a bit.
For instance, if we were to be loyal to the Books, after the deaths of Grimbeard and Hiccup the Second, and the disownment and exile of Thugheart, Chucklehead would become the new Chieftain of Berk.
Meaning that after Hamish the First's death, and Hamish the Second's early death/disappearance, Chucklehead would be the next Chieftain of Berk.
And if you look at the portraits, the one on the right looks like what Chucklehead would look like, doesn't he? đź‘€
Conclusion
To conclude with this rather long article, regardless of Hamish the Second's fate, or what timeline he truly hails from, he left a seat vacant, and the absence of his theoretical portrait of himself and his heir is likely due to his early death or disappearance, or, if he HAD an heir, or contenders, they might've dealt with him and got rid of the portrait.
The only reason why I didn't mention the possibility of his secret — that of his friendship with dragons — being found out, and that's what caused his downfall, is that if that had been the case, then why didn't they destroy the portrait of Hamish the First and Hamish the Second as well?
If the Hamishes were the First- and Second-Generation Chieftains, then the next chieftain would've been [insert Viking] (I'm going with "Chucklehead").
If not, and it was during Stoick's grandfather's or father's time, then it's possible that Stoick's grandfather and father were part of the continuation of the dynasty left vacant by Hamish the Second. Assuming they're not a new dynasty altogether, which is unlikely.
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Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this article. If you have any thoughts about this mystery, or about Berkian history, please feel free to give your thoughts.
Thank you for reading. I hope you have a good weekend.
Portraits of Berk Chieftains With Their Sons by Noctus Fury
(Riders of Berk episode “Portrait of Hiccup As A Buff Young Man”)
These are portraits of the Chieftains of Berk, along with their Heirs, throughout the generations. The only exceptions — Hamish II and his son, and Stoick’s Grandfather with Stoick’s Father — are missing from this group of portraits.
(I will talk more about this in an upcoming article.)
