#cop1a

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Santa Claus and Mrs Santa is getting busy

Like the four dated. Do you think everyone would be upset?

I think the ministry would lose their fucking minds lmao

Like, Copia and Terzo dating? Imperator would have an absolute fit. She would have Terzo killed even quicker, and in a more brutal way. (It's not the incest she's upset about, mind you. She just feels that Terzo, as the most popular and progressive Papa before her son, would lead him astray from the plans she has for him.)

Copia and Secondo? A sort of sugar baby situation, and no doubt Copia would feel insecure and jealous in this relationship, so all the ministry would have to do is, ah...encourage Secondo's preferred vice, and Copia would inevitably break it off.

Copia and Primo? Actually, I don't think the ministry would touch that. I think even Sister Imperator would leave them alone. Copia could learn a lot from Primo, and tbh I don't think he'd be too mad if Imperator tricked Copia into betraying him. It might make him love Copia even more.

The brothers all dating each other? Well, they'd be a unified front that way, and thus not as susceptible to the ministry's manipulations, so that's not acceptable either. A wedge must be driven between them, to make them more vulnerable and easier to control.

Copia groaned as he sank his cock into his lover, lowering his body over his and forcing himself to keep his hips still so his Papa could adjust. He pressed soft kisses over his neck and cupped his cheek, stroking it with his thumb.

After a moment, Primo shifted beneath him, squeezing his legs around his waist. Copia took that as his signal to move, so he pulled out slowly, savoring the friction, before pushing back in at the same pace. He did this a few more times, continuing to press light kisses over his lover's neck and shoulder. He hummed a pleased sound when fingers slid into his hair.

Then they pulled sharply, making him gasp.

He looked down at Primo with wide eyes and received a hungry look in return.

"Don't be gentle with me," Primo told him firmly. "I like it when you're rough."

Copia stood up from Papa's desk and stretched his arms over his head, absently letting out a low moan as he did so. He let his arms fall and took a step toward the door when a tall figure practically materialized in front of him.

Copia blinked up at the man who had just been seated at the desk moments before. He didn't know he could move so fast, especially at his age.

"That noise..." Primo said softly, staring intently at his face, "keep making it."

"Cosa?" Copia blurted out, unsure what exactly might be happening.

"That pretty little moan you let out when you stretched," Primo said slowly, making his face heat up. "I want to hear it again."

I know this post and it’s consequences will probably end up pissing me off, but I’d really like to have a serious conversation about “problematic ships.” Like, an adult conversation. 

I know we can do it.

Precondition

For me, most of this opinion doesn’t involve the Copiiia/Copiia/Cop1a ships because I think the incest factor isn’t the main thing with that ship. The Papa x Papa ship involves Copia on 99.99% of the time for the simple reason that he was introduced as not being part of the bloodline, and six (6) years passed before he was officially and undoubtedly confirmed as part of it (I have my opinions about this change, too). It seems totally reasonable to me that some people just chose to stick to that first statement and create the pairings they liked with him through all this time.

I have never personally seen a Terzo x Secondo fic, or a Primo x Secondo and so on. Most Copiiia/Cpiia/Cop1a authors are simply not interested in creating an incest story.

That said, since people associated Copia x other Papas with pure incest from the beginning, I think we can at least gain something interesting from all this discourse.

/Precondition

Many “nasty” stories (books, fanfics, movies, songs… whatever) provide an opportunity to discuss “taboo” issues. Some can serve as case studies for reflecting on human behavior in specific contexts. I know fanfictions are mostly meant to entertain, to fantasize, even to get horny or just to imagine ourselves in a romance with our favorite characters, but this would be underestimating the work of fanfic writers. Some fanfictions are deep, offering interesting analyses and portraits of human behavior, and some may choose unusual topics to explore very dark and complex (also frivolous, why not) aspects of human nature.

If an author decides to choose a “problematic” topic to express their creativity, it is none of your business.

Even if a relationship is considered morally unacceptable, authors still have the right to write about it, and interested readers have the right to read it. Otherwise, no author should be allowed to write about murder, which I think is the most morally unacceptable act one can commit.

A relationship can be nasty even if it is between two complete strangers. It can be abusive. It can be violent. It can involve rape (a topic I personally despise with every fiber of my being, but STILL, I read about it and sometimes even write about it). It can be dysfunctional, toxic, unbalanced, boring… people still have the right to explore it in whatever way they like. By the way, somehow if a fictional relationship is so bad but it’s between two regular people it is still accepted, but it becomes absolutely unacceptable if it involves two siblings.

I’d like to bring up some examples of famous incestuous or problematic stories:

The Dreamers, by Bernardo Bertolucci: Not sure how many of you know about this movie. I watched it when I was a little girl and never for a moment was I grossed out by the story. I was rather fascinated by the relationship between the twins and how it becomes a refuge and a way to escape reality. You can interpret that relationship in so many ways. It was strange, even poetic, but it was interesting to explore. The movie is still one of my favorites.

Lolita: Nabokov himself asked not to romanticize the story (which was inspired by a real event, btw). That book doesn’t make him a pedophile or a nasty person; it was just his imagination, a sad dynamic he felt was worth exploring and telling.

Dogtooth, by Yorgos Lanthimos: This is another example of a very particular situation where explicit incestuous situations occur (more than one, to be fair). It is one of the most interesting movies I have ever seen from a “what humans do when put into a very singular situation” perspective.

Nymphomaniac, by Lars von Trier: nothing less than an equally upsetting and poignant creation. Many people here would go absolutely crazy at the scene where the protagonist reacts to her father’s death, I’m sure of it. I’m still trying to interpret it.

No, I won’t include A song if Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones, enough people have done that already.

Try discussing those works by saying, “That movie was bad because they are siblings and they can’t do those things!” Ok, legitimate, but try to imagine how you sound from the outside if that is really the ONLY critique you can make.

Witch-hunting creators who are brave enough to explore the nastiest parts of human nature doesn’t make you a good person. It makes you a person who wants the world to conform to your image, making you unable to face and analyze what you find unacceptable.

I am a pro-shipper to copiiia, but I see that there’s a blog somewhere in the tag bashing it and they have a lot of people on their side. I want to start writing about copiiia, I’ve already thought about what my first fic would be. But now I don’t know because of what that one blog was saying. I’m a very sensitive person so when it comes to hate I know I’d just break down and I feel like blocking the blog would make me feel bad 😭

If you have any advice I’d love to hear it!

First: block them. There is nothing to feel bad about when it comes to blocking. That is you protecting your own peace. That dumb child in the tags doesn't block people and it leads to them throwing tantrums in our tags. They are trash, there is nothing to feel bad about when it comes to taking out the trash.

And you want to know a fun fact about those antis?

A lot of them ship the Papas (especially copiiia) in secret.

They can't be honest about it because they fell with other toxic antis. So now they're stuck. Consuming the content we make and seething that we have the audacity to not be ashamed like them.