#calyspo

Percy:…

Percy: Same

*Spoilers of course

This is a discussion about mainly Calypso and some changes I like to see. So, this is a totally brief explanation for what can be done to improve the songs to be the best they can be.

Also Calixyn Cares Too Much is an informative but not authoritative resource on musical theatere and mainly songwriting. I recommend checking out her Vengeance Saga review.

My Thoughts:

The two first songs of Vengeance could use some work because right now "Not Sorry for Loving You" and "Dangerous" are a little vague, and don't have too much information to chew on. Especially with Calypso given the source material so being clear what happened those 7 years would be nice, because the fandom is understandably split on her.

For instance reviving the cut song "Appetite" would be nice. Also "Cope With That" because Odysseus being in the middle of choosing ruthlessness and open arms isn't much we see. He's often going to extremes with such ideologies. The Sirens, and the Cyclops for example. Circe Saga was when he was being pretty normal even after most of his men died, which is interesting he didn't immediately use ruthlessness with Circe after that event. He acted rather politely when meeting her. Anyway NSLY (Not Sorry for Loving You) has the "There Are Other Ways" motif but Odysseus doesn't use any of Circe's teachings.

Circe didn't really influence Odysseus like the Cyclops, Poseidon, and Polites did. He learned the consequence for being too kind from Polites which results in him sparing Polyphemus and giving his home address. Being too ruthless with the Sirens by throwing their bodies in the water when they could've been used to feed Scylla. And Poseidon is his ultimate consequence and the monster he could become. But Circe doesn't really teach him anything that he uses down the line. Odysseus utilizing persuasion to trick Calypso would've made the most sense and made Circe feel like an actual impact on his journey. Sure she helped him get to the Underworld but that's about it. Also strange Odysseus talks about becoming a monster when he just showed mercy to Circe and that worked in their favor. I guess he's just traumatized from seeing his dead comrades/friends and mom so sure I guess. It's a little odd Circe isn't that important in the grand scheme of things similarly to Calypso. And I wish Calypso had a conclusion. Because it's crazy how Odysseus dipped and his last words to her were-

"I love you

But not in the way

That you want me to"

I know he got places to be but still 😅

Just Ody and Calypso having a split amount of time to sing about their time together, and how they got closer. Because in "Love in Paradise" Odysseus wanted nothing to do with her, but in Vengeance Saga they seem to be on good terms. Odysseus sounds genuine when he says "I love you". Ody lying by using Circe's tactics would be interesting and was planned with the cut song "Appetite" but they scrapped it but still kept the "The Are Other Ways" instrumental. A flashback of the two reminiscing about their time together would've benefitted NSLY and made it clear that Calypso being a SA abuser is non-canon. Because at first I was conflicted on her because I didn't know if what she did was canon to Epic or not. Now I know she's just clingy and a little freaky (which makes sense, she's been on Ogygia for 100 years) but information like that or lack there of can confuse people.

Just give them a flashback scene and we eliminate the Calypso being an abuser issue and give valuable insight on both Odysseus and Calypso lives together. Because her and the island are kind of a blip on Odysseus's journey which is crazy considering the 7 years he spent there. But because we don't know much what happened Calypso being heartbroken is more pitty than actually sad for the viewer. Like I hardly know this girl, and don't know what exactly she did to Ody. Because also in "Love in Paradise" she says-

"Under my spell, we're stuck in paradise

No one can come or go, my island stays unknown"

Like I think people who step onto the island can never leave or the place is just too hard to find. But what does "Under my spell, we're stuck in paradise" mean? Like I think this is why people can't tell if the SA is canon or not, because it could be interrupted that Calypso brainwashes people. Or maybe she creates a blissful illusion/dream, which can be either good or bad since she "brings no pain". But is this something you want your audience to make interpretations and assumptions about, especially if the team wants us to sympathize with her in NSLY.

Again this should be made clear that Calypso was just being patient with Odysseus's decision. I think that's pretty impactful and would be interesting to delve into. A few lines of Calypso counting the days and waiting for Odysseus to "finally" love her. Maybe she watches him walk along the shore line and sings "🎵Waaaiting🎶" like in "Full Speed Ahead" and "The Underworld". and then Odysseus sings that part but of course he's waiting for a sign or help to arrive so he can get home. Idk I'm not a songwriter just an aspiring one lol

Because right now Calypso takes up so much of the song when it should have been 50/50. I won't say much on "Dangerous" because it's pretty similar. Hermes talks a lot when we could've had a few more lines for Ody. Also explain how Hermes got the wind bag? How did he convince Aeolus? Did Aeolus catch wind of "God Games" and was instructed to give Hermes the wind bag? Did the Winions help Hermes or are they just following him to make sure nothing bad happens?

Jo: M

Calypso: M

Sssssarah: S

Meg: M

Lityerses: C

switching up designs for everyone again

piper mclean: ❤️🧡🤍💖💜

annabeth chase: 💖💛💙

hazel levesque: ❤️🧡🤍💖💜

reyna avila ramírez-arellano: 💜🤍🖤

thalia grace: 💖💜💙

rachel elizabeth dare: 💖🤍💜🖤💙

lavinia asimov: ❤️🧡🤍💖💜

drew tanaka: 💙💖🤍💖💙

calypso: ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

shel: 💛🤍💜🖤

Yes, some of these options are the same as the normal PJO version. Deal with it

HOO version

Normal PJO version

Lavina fell first but Poison Oak fell harder

Calypso fell first (idgaf abt canon) but Leo fell harder.

Frank fell first but Hazel fell harder.

Nico fell first but Will fell harder.

Grover fell first but Juniper fell harder.

“Calypso, a great goddess, / had trapped him in her cave; she wanted him / to be her husband.”

Calypso’s sexual domination of Odysseus replicates the very system with which she finds fault. Every day Odysseus crys on the shore.

"His eyes were always tearful; he wept sweet life away, in longing to go back home, to go back home since he no longer wanted her. He had no choice. He spent his nights with her inside her hollow cave, not wanting her"